_marth1_
Smash Lord
ill play
anytime after like 1 is good
anytime after like 1 is good
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UIUC Thread
- Thread starter TheWalkingThano
- Start date
Dew Rag
Smash Ace
I'll be there also
Nekomancer
Smash Journeyman
I stumbled on a nest of good melee smashers! We've played them on and off at various tourneys. I'm gonna try to get them to come to smashing illini meetings.
TheStig
Smash Lord
i don't know who's bringing what, but i can bring a recording setup for the tournament tomarrow
TheWalkingThano
Smash Journeyman
Has anybody experimented with the All-Brawl ruleset? It's essential all items on, all stages on random (except customs). 2 stocks in 3 min, best 3/5. Counter picks are either:
1) Loser picks stage and keeps character
2) Loser picks a new character and the stage is the same
The winner cannot change at all. Item spawns are set to normal.
I'm kinda curious as to how this plays out since the Melee style ruleset is incredibly boring for brawl, IMO. I know the idea of items on is scary, but with 3 min. matches there aren't that many items being spawned on medium spawn. This could be a good ruleset to start with until the metagame shakes out. The counter pick system is because it was thought up by 2D fighter players on srk. In the melee system, you can't actually counterpick a stage reliably because the winner can just pick a new character, so all you can do is counterpick character. In this system, you can reliably counterpick stage or character. I'm not suggesting this for melee in the least, but it seems like an interesting idea for brawl.
1) Loser picks stage and keeps character
2) Loser picks a new character and the stage is the same
The winner cannot change at all. Item spawns are set to normal.
I'm kinda curious as to how this plays out since the Melee style ruleset is incredibly boring for brawl, IMO. I know the idea of items on is scary, but with 3 min. matches there aren't that many items being spawned on medium spawn. This could be a good ruleset to start with until the metagame shakes out. The counter pick system is because it was thought up by 2D fighter players on srk. In the melee system, you can't actually counterpick a stage reliably because the winner can just pick a new character, so all you can do is counterpick character. In this system, you can reliably counterpick stage or character. I'm not suggesting this for melee in the least, but it seems like an interesting idea for brawl.
Dew Rag
Smash Ace
u speak blasphamy
_marth1_
Smash Lord
it cant be much worse than it is right now
Jon--that was the standard Melee ruleset when I first started going to tournaments, in 2003--except that the stock was higher. There are many good reasons for which it fell out of favor. Who decided to bring it back, I wonder?
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
i say lets try it...just to be rediculous
TheWalkingThano
Smash Journeyman
Well, isn't that the point? Brawl is a new game. I think that melee's ruleset just uprooted and planted in Brawl doesn't work and so going back to the beginning and seeing how things shake out is the best course of action.
And Keits is the main proponent. He has a ton of matches up on his youtube account, Rockeits.
I'm not sure if there's a huge difference between using advanced slobs (loser picks stage, winner picks char, loser picks char) and regular slobs, so I'm not sure if I could argue one way or the other--although I have no idea what it is about Brawl that would make the old way better than or even comparable to the new way. The basic way the game works is still very much the same, isn't it?
But having all the stages and items on is monstrous. Mario Bros? 75m? And we thought Temple was bad! And although some of the items may be acceptable (I believe people have developed a recommended list?), what about the curry or the cracker launcher?
I wonder why you don't think the Melee ruleset doesn't work. If you just plain old don't like Brawl, well, even though I think it's a lot of fun I can't say I blame you. There are a lot of crappy things about Brawl.
But having all the stages and items on is monstrous. Mario Bros? 75m? And we thought Temple was bad! And although some of the items may be acceptable (I believe people have developed a recommended list?), what about the curry or the cracker launcher?
I wonder why you don't think the Melee ruleset doesn't work. If you just plain old don't like Brawl, well, even though I think it's a lot of fun I can't say I blame you. There are a lot of crappy things about Brawl.
TheWalkingThano
Smash Journeyman
I suppose I just get bored with the current system. Also I'm curious as to how the rules would shape up over time, even if they did just come back to the melee ruleset. I'm not a huge hater of Brawl as it currently is, I'm just trying to think of something different.
Yeah, there are a few horrible stages like 75m, and they would probably be the first to get bans. Maybe the same with items like cracker launcher. The item system is set up such that you really can't count on any item being there, e.g., you can go a ton of games before ever seeing a smashball. Then again that argument doesn't really apply when it actually spawns.
Anyway, I can't make it to the tournament today so have fun guys.
Edit after Henrik's post:
I might be free later today, might not. How long are you guys gonna be playing?
Yeah, there are a few horrible stages like 75m, and they would probably be the first to get bans. Maybe the same with items like cracker launcher. The item system is set up such that you really can't count on any item being there, e.g., you can go a ton of games before ever seeing a smashball. Then again that argument doesn't really apply when it actually spawns.
Anyway, I can't make it to the tournament today so have fun guys.
Edit after Henrik's post:
I might be free later today, might not. How long are you guys gonna be playing?
Nekomancer
Smash Journeyman
I have something important to do at 6:00, and I'm going straight there from the tourney, so I can't bring my setup. FTL, I don't need a ride either.
ftl
Smash Journeyman
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164675 and http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=3990103&postcount=2 are the ISP people's item lists and ruleset modifications, if anyone's curious. Seems interesting, though not really something I particularly feel like trying right now, I'm having quite enough fun with the standard ruleset for Brawl.
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
is anyone here able to bring their tv? im not sure this halo guy will like us using their tv's for melee, we may need to take him out...ill bring a cube/game though
You guys are silly. You should start hosting more Melee tournaments.
Dekuschrub
Smash Master
lol we may have to take him out
TheStig
Smash Lord
Evo2k8 proved that items fail competitively
TheWalkingThano
Smash Journeyman
Actually, that failed cause they tried to make everyone happy. All the no-item guys boycotted and the stuff that was left on was imbalanced.
http://www.shoryuken.com/?p=265#more-265 <- Interview with Keits about what happened at Evo2k8.
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
sry about using gaw 
Dew Rag
Smash Ace
that's ok
i got to zero to death tom a few times
and did decent against his cfalc in melee
i shoulda went bowser and just over b the whole time
i got to zero to death tom a few times
and did decent against his cfalc in melee
i shoulda went bowser and just over b the whole time
Dekuschrub
Smash Master
i lost to mario ROFL
that was a fun tourney though.
and matt is so lucky GaW is in the game.. he'd be so toast otherwise
that was a fun tourney though.
and matt is so lucky GaW is in the game.. he'd be so toast otherwise
TheStig
Smash Lord
the ddd player was pretty good
Next time.
TheStig
Smash Lord
i have the following matches on my computer:
Andy vs Randy
Durand vs Diddy?
Sean vs Lucus?
Dustin vs Caleb
Durand vs Max
Andy vs Peach?
Andy vs TL?
Matt vs Tim
Dustin vs Falco?
Dustin vs Marth?
BC/Alex vs Ceph/Beta
and more if you played on the 2nd tv to the left. let me know which ones you want uploaded
Andy vs Randy
Durand vs Diddy?
Sean vs Lucus?
Dustin vs Caleb
Durand vs Max
Andy vs Peach?
Andy vs TL?
Matt vs Tim
Dustin vs Falco?
Dustin vs Marth?
BC/Alex vs Ceph/Beta
and more if you played on the 2nd tv to the left. let me know which ones you want uploaded
I don't think any of those with me are particularly good. It's up to you whether you want to do any of 'em.
It's too bad the setup wasn't on the TV to the left. That one had all the good matches. Maybe we should plan that a little better next time?
It's too bad the setup wasn't on the TV to the left. That one had all the good matches. Maybe we should plan that a little better next time?
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
ill mess you up with snake also next time, if you want me to alex
ftl
Smash Journeyman
I'm not too interested in seeing my match, it wasn't all that exciting and I already know what I need to work on, don't need to see it again to know...
TheStig
Smash Lord
i won't upload them if you don't want me to
sidenote:i like running into g&w's fsmash and not teching dthrow
sidenote:i like running into g&w's fsmash and not teching dthrow
gameandwatch 4 Lyfe
Smash Journeyman
dustin id like to see the matches i owned that lucas in.
next time i will not lose to a gay and watch lol. ggs though matt
next time i will not lose to a gay and watch lol. ggs though matt
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
yeah your marth scared me, i dont know why you switched characters
Dew Rag
Smash Ace
my matches all sucked on that tv lol
gameandwatch 4 Lyfe
Smash Journeyman
i dont main marth and i found myself making dumb mistakes just cuz i didnt have a feel for him... then you ***** my sheik so bad i had to send her to councelling.
i look forward to a rematch
TheStig
Smash Lord
i'll try to get that 1 uploaded
brickman
Smash Lord
brawl, I assume?i dont main marth and i found myself making dumb mistakes just cuz i didnt have a feel for him... then you ***** my sheik so bad i had to send her to councelling.
i look forward to a rematch