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Circus who are your town reads this game? Do you think that Kantrip is mafia? You imply so in this post.
Btw, I'm not going to hold it against you, but you could have crumbed the name of your role for what it's worth.
OS said:
Publicly or privately? Because if it's the latter this turns into a "do I trust you or not".
The thing that bothers me is that this extra kill doesn't add up except for with a whole spoonful of assumptions. By your own admission, that's a faulty way of determining things. On top of this you seemed to indicate OS indy pretty early on and never really pursued it and just seemed to keep writing it off and saying "we can come back to OS later when all the mafia are gone!" and that just really feels like setting up for a mislynch. I mean you knew nothing about how the indy recruits in this game and you told everyone that the indy wouldn't be able to use any abilities and wasn't a threat and I just keep getting the inkling that you yourself were recruited and are trying to set up for end game.
This would also explain why you've had a very lackadaisical approach to the game despite being a golden boy, because the more you post the more danger you put yourself in so if you're "cleared" it's in your best interests to just not contribute much.
And DESPITE me saying all of this... I have to do the same thing you are and just let you sit aside for now. Just to let you know, if we kill all the mafia and the game still goes on I'll probably kill you as you would be my #1 recruit suspect given your play.
Privately, obviously.
What extra kill are you talking about? There was three kills out on Night 1. A poisoner, the indy, and Soup. You can agree that this is the most likely scenario, right? This is, after all, the same line of logic that you were using when explaining the J early why it's most likely mafia is limited to a poisoner. Where does this "spoonful of assumptions" come in? I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Where does this get "too complicated" for you?
Why would I pursue an indy OS? Obviously if you can't kill you're not a threat, so why would I prioritize this? Btw, I'm basing my own understanding of the indy this game based off of what you yourself said.
I like how you're trying to turn this around on me. Yeah obviously I'm trying to set up for a mislynch AT LEAST FOUR DAYS AHEAD OF TIME on OVERSWARM. Obviously I'm not just town who's claiming my results. You're putting a negative twist on what I did by making this BS assertion that I'm scum trying to set up for a mislynch without even taking into consideration the alternative that I'm "just town claiming my results." What about how I went about it isn't logical from a town PoV?
Also, did you forget that I was the FIRST one to claim "ascetic?" I mean, I didn't straight up claim ascetic, but I claimed that I "couldn't be targeted by anything but killing roles," which is basically ascetic minus one truth (that I couldn't be targeted by anything but killing roles that would kill me on the same Night they were used, and before you ask, I was trying to bait out a poison by not full claiming my modifier). So unless you think that I somehow just guessed that a modifier of the ascetic nature was in the game or that I somehow acquired knowledge of the modifier, I COULDN'T have been recruited because it's impossible for the inquistor to do anything but kill me given my role modifier.
My "lackadaisical" approach to this game has already been explained, you're just choosing to ignore my explanation and assume the worst possible interpretation.
God.
OS, if you want to work with me then you're going to have to cut out the FUD.
Circus said:
You're right. I could say that reviving the indy would have complicated matters for the mafia and I do. Because it would have! Reviving a useless townie and then claiming the revival is a much safer choice for scum to make because it psuedo-clears one mafioso (which is all they need to win) as long as no one thinks about it too hard. Bringing back the indy is just asking for one more way things could go wrong.
Okay, sure, but again, what about Le? That would seem like a good idea for scum minus the possible trouble.
[QUOTE-Circus]Difficult to say. At first, I was expecting J to simply refuse to name his "mason" buddy so as not to incriminate a fellow mafiosi. However, doing that would also pretty much be equivalent to accepting my accusations against him, so Ran actually revealing himself is one way that a J/Ran scumteam could be trying to double down and get me lynched for the win. Having Ran claim to have masoned J is kind of a clever third option, as it leaves room for the option that Ran could be a town masoner who just happened to pick scum to mason. However, it is common practice for such roles to indeed die if they target scum, so if I'm leaning one way on Ran here, it is scum, yes. Just not concrete enough on that to lynch him toMorrow without a good deal of reexamination beforehand.[/QUOTE]
The thing that's bugging me about this is that I literally can not think of a reason for why J would claim mason, unless he was anticipating some sort of guilty from you. But even that seems like a weird reason to claim mason. Being objective about this Circus, wouldn't you agree? Since you're pushing J, and, to a lesser extent, Ran, what justifies you going after them despite this?
No. I asked for Bardull's claim because I felt it could help some actual, substantive setup speculation. When I targetted Jdeitz, I wasn't sure what happened to cause my action to fail. The odds of me just happening to be the one targeted by a roleblock seemed low, but I didn't know what else would explain the failure. In addition, Red Ryu's kill on PJB failed for reasons we still don't know, even though his Doc protect on OS (at least one of them) apparently succeeded. I felt that if Bardull didn't volunteer a reason for why my target failed, then that would be clear evidence suggesting a roleblocker. Since we still have no mafia flips to go off of, we need to get creative about how we go about narrowing down what kind of scumteam we're dealing with.
Sorry for the lateness of this post. I realized I was going on a bunch of pointless tangents in multiple places and ended up chopping out gobs of text just now.
How do you feel about him based off the fact that he claimed ascetic and that it lines up with you being roleblocked when targeting him?
BarDull said:
Sorry Circus, there are defo other reasons, I'm just pulling a marshy and don't feel like substantiating myself that much. But it has to do with how you were flat out not genuine in your push on RR while J was...man, I dunno, he was just J. That's kinda vague, but whatever. Ran also clears J and Ran is hardcore Townie to me. IDK man, IDK. I think you're outta luck home slice.
My only qualm at this point is a random *** J/Ran/Kary/Kantrip bullshiz flying out of left field at me. Or some shiz.
BarDull said:
Speak for yourself home slice, didn't you throw your hands up in the air with RR? Talk about double standards bro.
I'm not insecure about J playing me and winning, in all honesty if he is succeeding alongside Ran then I have to give him some serious kudos, and I honestly have no shame in losing to that team especially with how Town has played this game. I also gotta apologize to you for not believing in you, but there's too much evidence going against your slot for me. Your rationale for pushing RR just seems like unparalleled whackness and I feel that TownCircus would have looked into RR's intent before lynching him...you straight up said "to hell with intent" and threw him overboard. You can say I'm characterizing it the wrong way, but I really don't think so man. I really don't think so. RR had no good reason to pull that stunt. I really think you're just scum whom pushed RR to his death yo.
And RAN. Dude, RAN has been so friggin' townie! AND HIS CLAIM CONDEMNS YOU IF MY TOWN READ ON HIM HOLDS UP.
Those two factors are what's making me feel like I need to lynch you.
Anyway, them's my stance. I am constantly re-evaluating players though, I'm not hardset on this shiz 'cause maybe someone will come out of nowhere and drop a bomb on accident on themselves, but it's looking like you're going to be the play yo.
BarDull, it would really help me if you did substantiate your read on Circus. Because I'm honestly starting to have my doubts and it doesn't help when the one person I was willing to lynch is actually trying while you're just kinda "Eh, sorry you're scum yo."
I really don't think that you calling Circus out on having a "double standard" is appropriate here. Again, it would help if you substantiated Circus' double standard, and even if it's true, it doesn't mean that it's a good idea for you to act the same.
The main reason I like Ran was because I felt that his claim against OS was genuine town who thought that they had a guilty. Hell, this still makes me doubt him being scum just because Ran's action from a scum PoV doesn't make sense Day 4. Why would he claim a guilty against OS like that so early?
Here's what confuses me from both sides of the argument:
-Why would Circus claim a guilty against J after he just claimed mason? If he was scum looking for a final mislynch, then it seems like there would be much better options then J, especially right after he claimed mason. Also, it's true that Circus did investigate J Night 3. This doesn't really clear him in itself, but at the very least we know that he's some sort of investigate.
-Why would scum Ran claim a puesdo-guilty on OS on only Day 4?
-Why would J claim mason as scum at all, unless he was SO paranoid about being caught in a guilty that he'll be willing to drag Ran into this. Also, don't even bring up the idea the idea that Ran is town and J scum because I just hate set up WIFOM like that.
Man Circus, are you insane or something? JTB town but J scum? ****.
@BarDull: Why do you think a scum Circus would claim against J of all people?
Sorry that this post is taking forever, family distractions.
Onto, the store! Then page 42.
