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TSA and CCX Present - NJ's SMASHACRE Monthly Tournaments - Nov 3rd! Final Farewell :(

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Maybe if you lose all the time, but I'd think the winner of the tournament might be a little pissed off if he won less money with the same amount of effort simply because of cheap people.
the only person this really affects is m2k and i guess cactuar if he decides to go >_>

idc though an extra 5 dollars to me isnt that serious cuz it is a monthly
 

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My vote has always been the lower the better. I don't think paying m2k is my #1 priority, and he says that he doesn't play for money anyways.
 

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If you guys really don't mind taking away from the pot and giving more to the store for a lower entry fee, we can do that. I'll make a poll on it to be sure.

However, keep in mind that Cheezit's is a biweekly while TSA's events are monthly, which is why it's $15 instead of just $10.
 

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I'd still take $10.

Lower pot affects three people at the very most.
Lower entry fee benefits everyone outside of that, so it benefits a significantly larger portion of people.
I was in favour of lower entry fees even when I won money at tournaments in NJ.
Lower entry fees pwn.
 

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This is Cactuar. There is no reason to lower entry fees. It's like giving people money back just because they aren't as good as some of the other players. It's unfair for the people who have gotten as good as they are and expect to win money.

Woz, I think we had a discussion about this back when we were holding biweeklies at EL's mom's place. We polled people about getting either a venue fee to pay for food or taking it out of the pot, and majority vote was to take it out of the pot, basically making the winner of the tourny pay for everyone's food. That's stupid. It's a slightly different situation in this, but it's similar enough that the same concept applies. We ended up just having people pay for what they ate.

It's ok if you take from the pot as compensation for the venue, but to take away from the pot for any other reason, or to lower the entry fee just because some other people don't want to pay as much, knowing they are going to lose, is unfair to the people who eventually do get top 3.
 

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This is Cactuar. There is no reason to lower entry fees. It's like giving people money back just because they aren't as good as some of the other players. It's unfair for the people who have gotten as good as they are and expect to win money.

Woz, I think we had a discussion about this back when we were holding biweeklies at EL's mom's place. We polled people about getting either a venue fee to pay for food or taking it out of the pot, and majority vote was to take it out of the pot, basically making the winner of the tourny pay for everyone's food. That's stupid. It's a slightly different situation in this, but it's similar enough that the same concept applies. We ended up just having people pay for what they ate.

It's ok if you take from the pot as compensation for the venue, but to take away from the pot for any other reason, or to lower the entry fee just because some other people don't want to pay as much, knowing they are going to lose, is unfair to the people who eventually do get top 3.
Being fair to 29 people and benefitting 29 people >>>>>> doing the same for 3 people.

And that's only when it's an even 32. It's usually 40ish at these events, so liek it's moar for the majority and then the ratio is bigger.
 

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Either way no one is thinking about lowering the entry fees, or at least I hope not. That would be ********. A good idea is to take money out of the pot to give to CCX. IMO.
 

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I'm going to have to side with Cactuar then. This is a competition, and as such, the benefits goes to those who win the event. Being that this is the case, I can't be too lenient on people who make excuses about the money issue.

I mean, $15 guys per month. Save up about $5 per week for three weeks and you're ready to go. That's really not asking for too much.
 

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This is Cactuar. There is no reason to lower entry fees. It's like giving people money back just because they aren't as good as some of the other players. It's unfair for the people who have gotten as good as they are and expect to win money.

Woz, I think we had a discussion about this back when we were holding biweeklies at EL's mom's place. We polled people about getting either a venue fee to pay for food or taking it out of the pot, and majority vote was to take it out of the pot, basically making the winner of the tourny pay for everyone's food. That's stupid. It's a slightly different situation in this, but it's similar enough that the same concept applies. We ended up just having people pay for what they ate.

It's ok if you take from the pot as compensation for the venue, but to take away from the pot for any other reason, or to lower the entry fee just because some other people don't want to pay as much, knowing they are going to lose, is unfair to the people who eventually do get top 3.
What if the initial fee to enter Smashtality was $1 to enter? Would that mean that the entry fee shouldn't be raised because the winner of the tournament knew that it was only $1? Of course not. It's the same principle for lowering the entry fee. Just because that's how it's been doesn't mean that's a good idea. If the entry fee had initially been $10, would you be calling for the fee to increase? I don't think so. The only reason I'm calling for the entry fee to be lowered is because I don't feel the venue is that much better than Marcel's mom's appartment or cheezit's.

While Cheezit's are technically a biweeklies, I went and checked the first post and the last 4 tournaments were

09/08/07
8/19/07
07/15/07
6/30/07
 

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What if the initial fee to enter Smashtality was $1 to enter? Would that mean that the entry fee shouldn't be raised because the winner of the tournament knew that it was only $1? Of course not. It's the same principle for lowering the entry fee. Just because that's how it's been doesn't mean that's a good idea. If the entry fee had initially been $10, would you be calling for the fee to increase? I don't think so. The only reason I'm calling for the entry fee to be lowered is because I don't feel the venue is that much better than Marcel's mom's apparently or cheezit's.

While Cheezit's are technically a biweeklies, I went and checked the first post and the last 4 tournaments were

09/08/07
8/19/07
07/15/07
6/30/07
Here are some good reasons why the $15 is well worth the tournament in case of venue.

Emblem Lord's Mom's House:

  • Pros
    • It's conveniently by a train station
    • Food was often cooked for smashers thanks to Mrs. Emblem Lord
    • Location is more central to the state
    • We never had to pay for a venue fee

    Cons
    • It's inside an apartment
    • Parking is hard to come by
    • We have to leave by 9
    • It's cramped inside, and cases where players have broken things. Probably can't hold more than 40 people.
    • It's hard to control the temperature. In most cases, it was hot as hell upstairs - someone even got a nosebleed
    • A bit difficult to find, and many complaints of people getting lost
CyberConXion

  • Pros
    • Great location in a strip mall with lots of parking and food, and even a game store next door
    • Bigger space, and a more gamer-friendly environment
    • Buses can take you right in front of the store itself
    • Provides TV's thanks to the store
    • Always air conditioned. Better cold and breezy than hot and sweaty
    Cons
    • For bigger events, we can't really do more than 80 people.
    • Complaints of lag in TV's, though minimal
    • Store asks for a 40% cut of the pot
    • Location is in North Jersey
I really can't think of anymore, but those are really the bigger issues. Now, since the biweeklies never had a venue fee, we could get away with $10 for it to be cheap, and we didn't really have to pay anything to the owner of the house. However, for $10, what we got is, though hospitable, an environment that was really cramped, uncomfortable, and hard to move around in without bumping or breaking something. Parking is often a hassle, and we couldn't do a big event there even if we wanted to, and there were certain house rules we had to follow. One of the biggest perks I do miss is that the location is more centralized, so its often easier for smashers from down south to make it to these events. Food was also free for the most part, but if you don't like a home cooked meal, it's a bit difficult to look for fast food restaurants without getting lost. I think a group was gone for an hour because they couldn't get back from a McDonald's that was 15 minutes away.

With CyberConXion, the entire store, save for perhaps 25% of it, is completely in TSA's control on tournament day. We have the store managers who make sure the store rules are being run, and we get to do the tournament however we want. The store will even let us run it late if it's completely necessary to do so, which of course, is a case I try to avoid as much as possible. Food is also easily accessible. While the food isn't free, there are a variety of places you can visit without even getting in your car - the deli, the pizzeria, or the nearby fast food restaurants just down the street. The best part is that we can have more people come over than something less than 32. With the added venue fee, we could, or perhaps should be, charging everyone $20, because we're quite grateful for everything CCX has done for the crew, and they've been a godsend. An extra $5 is worth what I consider a much considered upgrade on the entire scale, and in doing so, the prizes are also a bit higher. Actually, you'd probably be paying more money per month between the biweekly and the monthly.

Biweekly = $20 a month*
Monthly = $15 a month

*Though you could only go to one event if you choose to, but this wasn't a case for the majority of our state smashers. Had you always gone to both biweeklies, you're possibly losing more money than you are by going to our monthly each month.

That's really all I have to say about that. If you want it to be $10 just because you don't want to pay an extra $5, then it's your loss.

As for other points you bring up, spamerer, I bring people outside during announcements because it's how I've always done things. We've never had a huge problem with it before, and we usually take a group shot of the crowd at the tournament. It also lets me know the full extent of the amount of people who showed up, as well as allowing my crew to set the rules for the tournament inside. There's nothing wrong with going outside - it was a beautiful day that Saturday after all.

Pools are always handled by crew members, so thanks for advising me to do so, but it's always been that way already.

Lastly, I haven't spoken to Neal yet. I've been busy all week and I can hardly find the time to come online.

If anyone else has any other questions, please let me know.

 

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One of the biggest perks I do miss is that the location is more centralized, so its often easier for smashers from down south to make it to these events. Food was also free for the most part, but if you don't like a home cooked meal, it's a bit difficult to look for fast food restaurants without getting lost. I think a group was gone for an hour because they couldn't get back from a McDonald's that was 15 minutes away.
That was my group, it was Burger King, and it's because JFox gave us bad directions :mad::mad::mad::mad:.

With CyberConXion, the entire store, save for perhaps 25% of it, is completely in TSA's control on tournament day. We have the store managers who make sure the store rules are being run, and we get to do the tournament however we want. The store will even let us run it late if it's completely necessary to do so, which of course, is a case I try to avoid as much as possible. Food is also easily accessible. While the food isn't free, there are a variety of places you can visit without even getting in your car - the deli, the pizzeria, or the nearby fast food restaurants just down the street.
:o There is fast food down the street?

With the added venue fee, we could, or perhaps should be, charging everyone $20, because we're quite grateful for everything CCX has done for the crew, and they've been a godsend. An extra $5 is worth what I consider a much considered upgrade on the entire scale, and in doing so, the prizes are also a bit higher. Actually, you'd probably be paying more money per month between the biweekly and the monthly.

Biweekly = $20 a month*
Monthly = $15 a month

*Though you could only go to one event if you choose to, but this wasn't a case for the majority of our state smashers. had you always gone to the biweeklies, you're possibly losing more money than you are at our monthly each month.
You've convinced me as to why it should be $15, but I'm still :(

As for other points you bring up, spamerer, I bring people outside during announcements because it's how I've always done things. We've never had a huge problem with it before, and we usually take a group shot of the crowd at the tournament. It also lets me know the full extent of the amount of people who showed up, as well as allowing my crew to set the rules for the tournament inside. There's nothing wrong with going outside - it was a beautiful day that Saturday after all.
Haha, I was just kidding about going outside WoZ, I have no problem with it ;)

Pools are always handled by crew members, so thanks for advising me to do so, but it's always been that way already.
:o how did 2 of the pools take forever then?[/QUOTE]
 

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There's a Burger King, McDonald's, and Wendy's on Hamburg Turnpike not farther than 5 minutes from the venue.

Wendy's is the unofficial TSA fast food restaurant.[/plug]

I don't know why pools took forever. There was one pool that Bailey was in, and it seemed like they were playing friendlies the entire time. *narrows eyes*

Some matches also take forever because of matches and characters like Peach and Samus that you really can't get a quick kill on. It's something that really can't be helped.

6 out of the 8 pools finished quickly, but even then, the tournament can't move on if not all the pools are done.
 

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Pros
  • Always air conditioned. Better cold and breezy than hot and sweaty
I'd rather be hot and be able to move my fingers the way I want than have them actually get colder as I try to 'warm up' playing. I was glad I randomly brought my jacket since it was rather cold in the area next to the bathrooms imo where I spent a very large majority of the day last time I was there, lol.
 

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Magus, you bring up a point. I'm reminded of Pocky:

"You can always bring clothes to the tournament if you get cold. I don't want anyone taking theirs off if its hot."
 

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Uhhh, I never gave bad directions...I remember the time of which you speak, and I specifically remember LK telling me what he did and where he made the mistake. Its only because two people gave him directions, and he confused the two, making a wrong turn.

So There...Jerk. (Lol)
 

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Uhhh, I never gave bad directions...I remember the time of which you speak, and I specifically remember LK telling me what he did and where he made the mistake. Its only because two people gave him directions, and he confused the two, making a wrong turn.

So There...Jerk. (Lol)
He told me the directions you gave, it was like go straight then make a right or something along those lines. BAD DIRECTIONS! Yes, after he followed those directions, he listened to someone else and drove past it and thought it would make him go in a square and then he could go to the BK but this BK was much further than another one.
 
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