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Tri-weeklies at DML Apartment! NEXT-August 22nd!(Southaven, MS)

Vts

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join STFU or GTFO lol

chamber my sigs are made by a friend but he takes any request so just give me a render and i'll send him it. takes 1-3 weeks depending on how busy he is lol.

i'll try to find my travel chess set (roll up board and pieces) but if not i'll gave to bring the big mama chess set lol.

i want those like 3 foot size chess pieces i played with before was fun

very soon chamber there will be more people in your house wanting to play melee <hint hint> and when i do move in i plan on playing 4-5 times a week if not every day 2 times lol
 

Handorin

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I can't play chess D:

that is why my ganon is all tech skill and no mind games ;_;

also Handorine you make me sad D:

brawl wouldn't ever be able to rival melee if it had 65 +'s at the end of it. Melee plz :3
If we can make brawl exactly like melee, it would be better (imo) due to more characters.
 

Shai Hulud

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I can't play chess D:

that is why my ganon is all tech skill and no mind games ;_;
You don't need mind games to play chess. You just need to memorize thousands of pages of book openings / end game scenarios and play thousands of matches against rated opponents until the middle game becomes second nature.

Or you can just do what I do, which is to learn some fundamental principles and how to apply the principles to various positions. I generally only think 1 - 2 moves ahead in chess unless there is an obvious combination, and I'm pretty decent.

Regardless, there is little transference between chess and Melee skills. I am very intelligent and good at chess, but I can't transfer many of these skills / attributes to Melee, especially regarding "mind games" which rely substantially more on reaction time than on strategy. Interestingly enough, however, my tech skill actually correlates strongly with intelligence, and not, I think, with any special amount of dexterity. When I started playing Melee I thought carefully about how to hold the controller to maximize technical ability (a specialized version of clawing). It took me a while to get it right and to get used to it but now I can do things that many players, who probably have more dexterity than I do, cannot. Moreover, whenever I try to learn a new technique I think carefully about the optimum way to do it. For instance, in order to do shine-turned platform wavelands I just noticed that if you space the shine a set distance from the platform the timing is identical to shine-turned wavedashes. The timing for shine ledgedashing is also the same. But this all depends on how you waveshine--you really need to do it with the exact same technique every time, letting the stick revert to neutral between the shine and wavedash, and start the wavedash the exact same (within a couple frames anyway) delay after the shine. And I can do this consistently with little effort because I thought about how to hold the controller and do every technique before I learned them. This is just one example, but hopefully you see the point.

Anyway. Intelligence or chess-related skills are not really related to mind-games or "strategy" (I'm using scare quotes because the strategy in Melee is very shallow) but can potentially play an important role in how you learn things, how you practice, which characters to learn, how to counterpick well, etc., all of which are actually outside any given match.
 

G. Vice

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You don't need mind games to play chess. You just need to memorize thousands of pages of book openings / end game scenarios and play thousands of matches against rated opponents until the middle game becomes second nature.

Or you can just do what I do, which is to learn some fundamental principles and how to apply the principles to various positions. I generally only think 1 - 2 moves ahead in chess unless there is an obvious combination, and I'm pretty decent.

Regardless, there is little transference between chess and Melee skills. I am very intelligent and good at chess, but I can't transfer many of these skills / attributes to Melee, especially regarding "mind games" which rely substantially more on reaction time than on strategy. Interestingly enough, however, my tech skill actually correlates strongly with intelligence, and not, I think, with any special amount of dexterity. When I started playing Melee I thought carefully about how to hold the controller to maximize technical ability (a specialized version of clawing). It took me a while to get it right and to get used to it but now I can do things that many players, who probably have more dexterity than I do, cannot. Moreover, whenever I try to learn a new technique I think carefully about the optimum way to do it. For instance, in order to do shine-turned platform wavelands I just noticed that if you space the shine a set distance from the platform the timing is identical to shine-turned wavedashes. The timing for shine ledgedashing is also the same. But this all depends on how you waveshine--you really need to do it with the exact same technique every time, letting the stick revert to neutral between the shine and wavedash, and start the wavedash the exact same (within a couple frames anyway) delay after the shine. And I can do this consistently with little effort because I thought about how to hold the controller and do every technique before I learned them. This is just one example, but hopefully you see the point.

Anyway. Intelligence or chess-related skills are not really related to mind-games or "strategy" (I'm using scare quotes because the strategy in Melee is very shallow) but can potentially play an important role in how you learn things, how you practice, which characters to learn, how to counterpick well, etc., all of which are actually outside any given match.
You play with a claw? I'll have to sit down with you and have this talk face to face and have you show me what you're talking about. I also love to do shine ~> wavelanding on platforms but I do strictly by timing. You'll have to show me man. Sounds cool though.
 

Wolfeye

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VTS, wolfeye, do you have chess boards / pieces / clocks? My boards and pieces are in Madison and I don't have a clock. If neither of you can bring the stuff I can go buy some cheap *** set (but not a clock). Clock isn't really that important as long as you don't take absurd amounts of time to move. I'm not a fan of blitz chess by any means, but I swear, I've played people who spend 5 - 10 minutes on EVERY move, even when their move is incredibly obvious. So, as long as you aren't one of *those* people we don't really need one.

I still want money matches though, even for small amounts ($1 - $5 is acceptable), as it's just more fun when there's something on the line. I'll give you move odds if you want and possibly money odds.
I left all of my chess stuff at home but if we really need something I might be able to borrow a set and/or clock from a guy in my dorm. Hopefully somebody else here has stuff though (Is Vts's 1(?) set enough?).

I might be one of *those* but I'll try to not to take too long.

And I'll probably put down $1 if you want, but probably not anymore than that.

Anyone know how to play Bughouse (teams) chess? So much fun.
lol, haven't played that in forever. If we do play we need to make sure we clearly lay out all rules about how/where you can put pieces down (because there are different variations).
I'll play if I feel I have time...whatever that means...(it means probably).

You don't need mind games to play chess. You just need to memorize thousands of pages of book openings / end game scenarios and play thousands of matches against rated opponents until the middle game becomes second nature.
[maybe learn a little of whatever opening you like]

learn some fundamental principles and how to apply the principles think ahead [whatever number of moves seems to make sense for the situation]

Regardless, there is little transference between chess and Melee skills.
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[Shai talking about is super ultimate technical foxyness)
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Anyway. Intelligence or chess-related skills are not really related to mind-games or "strategy" [in Melee]
^edited for simplicity

I have no strategy. I just press buttons.
NES never lets on to his super secret skillz. Only he can comprehend what he really does (or maybe even he can't comprehend it O.o)


This post looks too long imo...Oh well.
 

Shai Hulud

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I left all of my chess stuff at home but if we really need something I might be able to borrow a set and/or clock from a guy in my dorm. Hopefully somebody else here has stuff though (Is Vts's 1(?) set enough?).

I might be one of *those* but I'll try to not to take too long.

And I'll probably put down $1 if you want, but probably not anymore than that.



lol, haven't played that in forever. If we do play we need to make sure we clearly lay out all rules about how/where you can put pieces down (because there are different variations).
I'll play if I feel I have time...whatever that means...(it means probably).


^edited for simplicity



NES never lets on to his super secret skillz. Only he can comprehend what he really does (or maybe even he can't comprehend it O.o)


This post looks too long imo...Oh well.
NES n00b has no strategy...he just reacts to your moves in 2 frames and then 0 - deaths you
 

Vts

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i can't find a good pad for 360 cus i got ddr universe 1-3 and a really crappy pad :(

yeah should be caught up in school to come next weekend so much hw right now it sucks, dam this 4 day weekend!
 

Fizz-sama

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Anyone hyped at all for SFIV? I kinda' have a feeling the majority of people here don't. Yes, yes. I know it's a Melee board, but still.
 

G. Vice

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I think I'll be here~

I hope at least. I am meeting my friend Nicole again though so I won't be around until that evening after the tournies :x
 

Vts

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lol tempting but i want to buy something else with my money like this $5 hooker 5 times :psycho:

working on collecting the megaman battle nets again for 2 and 3 so far going to beat 3 before i buy another one lol
 

Vts

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do i really look like a guy with plans :psycho:

chamber are you an alien, time traveler, or esp?

i need to come over and finish that mainly cus the main actor's voice is so sexy :D.

about to head over to reeces and check out his new tv and melee it up.

but you guys got to be friendly to the person that i bring he cus he likes mewtwo and may want to learn from iori-sensei
 

Dark Iori Yagami

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inner thought (I just came lol) sadly I only like to play m2 in oos torneys which is where he shines the brightest. That is my john lol. Honestly tho I will teach him how to play m2 but I am so bad at explaining things lol. My ultimate advice I can give him for now is stay away from evil gay fox.
 
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