~Touhou Mafia~ The Girls' Have Been Robbed - Independent Marker Victory

[#HBC | Nabe]

What am I reading?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sold, how do you not get this?

You need to say exactly how and why you thought Rockin was scum in that period in D2, using what you knew about the game at that time. I am asking you to talk away what looks like a scumslip. This is not a ploy to get you to be active in the game.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I've seen Witch used before in a game. It's a role that, when used on a player, permanently 50% roleblocks that player for the rest of the game.

.......................................

Could the be the reason why Soup was turned into a 50% chance of success vig/doc? Why didn't I make that connection sooner *facepalm*

That is not the reason. Do you honestly think that?
Why would Soup have claimed it to be a facet of his role?

I didn't like that I was trying to convince everyone that Nix should be vigged and that Rockin came out of nowhere and quickhammered Soup before it gained support. I thought that Rockin could have been trying to save Nix's skin.

I like this though.

 

[Nix2100]

Kuz, Soups role was that of a gambler, 50/50 is his default, so unless the witch can change peoples roles name as well its unlikely >_>

I sure hope Rockin didnt quick hammer in a attempt to save me >_> While I didn't like getting told to be shot twice in a row I DID volunteer for it -_-

 

[Nix2100]

and Nabe beat me to it -_-

 

[th3kuzinator]

*shrug*

You do realize it's Soup we're dealing with.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And I've never seen a gambler before. Is that an established role with the set 50/50 trait?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

No, but the term Gambler implies that there's gambling involved.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What am I reading?

My reaction to every one of your posts.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Agreed with Laundry lmao

 

[DtJ S2n]

I'm still doing that post by post cus now you got me started.

 

[Asdioh]

Could the be the reason why Soup was turned into a 50% chance of success vig/doc? Why didn't I make that connection sooner *facepalm*

Stop making it harder than he has to be, he already claimed and flipped Gambler. Even though he also made it more confusing by necessary with his "oh btw did i mention i roleblock" crap :/

nothing else of note to comment on in the past bunch of posts. I should probably reread some, but that takes effort and all.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm still doing that post by post cus now you got me started.

Cool. And if I told you that Rockin isn't going anywhere until you've answered my very specific question first? That will go against what you've said previously, that you want to make a Rockin case when it'll actually matter and can get Rockin lynched. You should get to my request instead.

The fact is, a Rockin case can be made without you. You're substituting one set of content for another that hasn't been asked of you. Meanwhile, I am sitting here wanting to lynch you in the face, asking for you to answer for something from two Days ago.


@Asdioh and others, no one should have nothing to comment on right now. Buck up and do something.

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh and others, no one should have nothing to comment on right now. Buck up and do something.

I'd rather wait for the inactives to do something, and if they don't lynch them... in the face, as you said.

 

[DtJ S2n]

The fact is, a Rockin case can be made without you. You're substituting one set of content for another that hasn't been asked of you. Meanwhile, I am sitting here wanting to lynch you in the face, asking for you to answer for something from two Days ago.

.... You're mean.

Reasons for my Rockin vote and why I kindof think I am seeing scum.

- FoS'ing an entire wagon off of RVS = weird
- Skimming, says people are only doing certain things and tries to misconstrue what they are doing. (Smargy/J)
- Hasn't focused on scum-hunting yet, more inactive hunt which is pseudo-scum hunting in my book
- When asked to back things up, doesn't show through
- Tone towards and arguement = off as well.
- Putting his foot down early w.r.t my question @ him and threatening saying I'm doing too hot atm so I better do better, seems empty/fake.
- Nitpicky with words (Follower/Followed thingy)
- Also when someone pushes back at him, he backs down. (I.E. Smarg/Soup)
- Catch-up post is more or less non-helpful in any way and seems like he had to try and post about things and say certain things. It overall looks phony.
- His precision with his wording also just strikes me as....interesting to say the least.

That's why I have my vote on him atm and plan to keep it there till I see better.

In D1 I asked what was the Rockin wall and it would have been really nice if you(Nabe) responded to me, but you responded to Kuz instead and quoted this and I did see and agree with some of the points(obviously some couldn't apply due to me not being there). Bolded the ones I'm sure of.

On to D2.

Look at him. Sitting there in his red mafia chair, turning up his nose at us.

I actually did see him lurking the thread on at least two occasions. He doesn't invisible mode for some reason, lol. And yes, I know I don't invisible either =c.

Don't say this. Never did I think "J died, that must mean Rockin is scum!" until you said that. I've already said why I think you're town, don't bring yourself up as looking scummy for no reason :/

Posted specifically about this too. A whole library of WIFOM, etc.

He doesn't like Soup!
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Filler!
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He wouldn't mind a Smarg lynch!
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Filler!
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Backseat modding!

Yep. So there you go? You've basically went through 3 day phases trying to get me to respond to something I find self-explanatory.

You say you don't know why people think Rockin is scum. Yeah and it still shocks me that you didn't respond to me asking why back then, considering you were so adamant about the lynch and I was a potential wagoner. Off-topic, just had to say it.
In 888, you know of no reason to vote Rockin, other than the WIFOM you saw from him in D2 when he commented on the motive for the kill. In other words, this implies that you don't know about Asdioh's response to you D1, and that you don't know about Rockin or any case on him or any points against him whatsoever, aside from what you've brought up.Implying that I have to respond to everything to know of it's existence. Asdioh's post didn't really strike me at the time, I'd wager.

So really why have you been on me about this all game.

On my stupid search for posts from D1/D2 I saw a lot of cool stuff though. The Gordito/Rockin/OS triangle is really interesting. Not sure if Gordito would single out two of his scummates like that (+ lynchee J), that's kind of WIFOM zone. What really gets me is that people think Rockin is town because of Gordito saying he was scum instead of anything by Rockin himself. Not sure what he expressed as his opinion on OS.

Vote: Mentos.
Mentos disturbs me =r.

 

[Asdioh]

This game is way too active, and Gova is a prime example of activity.

His posts: some on April 18th, a couple on the 20th, a bunch on the 21st, a few on the 23rd, on one May 2nd, one on May 9th. Do you see now why I tried to vig him?
And also Mentos is horribly inactive too.

request superprods on Gova and mentos :3

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Sold: You whole post focused on other players and then you vote Mentos at the end of it...?

Nix/Sold lynch. Vig the remainder or Gova imo.

*tries to vote someone*

gah

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Reading D1 a bit.

@J: I'm asking you out of curiousity because of something that happened in another game, but if you could clear anyone in this game as town right now, who would you choose?

@Asdioh: I would clear Swiss. Yea he'd be my choice or someone else I find hard to read.

Asdioh: Why did you ask J who to cop?

Lurkers don't get lynched on D1. Scummy people do. Lurkers on D1 are more often power roles than they are scum.

As to leads, you get nothing yet. It's early, I'm still watching. Just know that I'm not posting just to post. If you're stumped by my actions, just twiddle your thumbs for a while and you'll figure it out when I tell you.

@WL what's more suspicious/safe/whatever type of negative feeling you got from my vote- me voting for an NL, or JTB's voting for Ryker? If the former why?

Equally--but they're joke votes so it's like derp.

@WL what's more suspicious/safe/whatever type of negative feeling you got from my vote- me voting for an NL, or JTB's voting for Ryker? If the former why?

Kind of equal in my book, didn't pay much thought into it until someone pointed it out specifically.

WL: Why did you answer Gord's question twice?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sold, I thought you intended to do a pbp of Rockin. Doesn't that imply he's your focus?
The Mentos vote is very odd and out of nowhere as has been said.

Is the reasoning on Mentos anything aside from the obvious inactivity?


Kuz: Why Nix?

 

[Gova]

I'm ok with being vigged considering how useless I am.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You came in just to say that?
Fullclaim.

 

[Gova]

I'm Hina, the town aligned curse goddess. Each night I must target someone with one of three spells, (each of which has it's own subset maybe? Because I used the same spell all 3 nights and they did different things) and something happens to them. I'm responsible for everyone making fun of Zen, the kingmaker thing with Rockin, and voteblocking Kuz.

 

[DtJ S2n]

You guys are dumb and are very desperate to make a case on me. More at 11, action news flash.

 

[Asdioh]

wait so you have three spells, but you used the same one every time and it did different things?

can you elaborate on what they're supposed to do?

 

[Gova]

I don't know what they do.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Were you also responsible for voteblocking asianaaussie d3?

 

[Gova]

No, that was his punishment for not making fun of Zen I think.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why did you choose each of the people you did?

 

[Gova]

I targeted Zen because he claimed vt so I knew I could safely target him without affecting any town power roles unless he was lying which then he deserved whatever unlucky thing happened to him. I then chose Rockin because I wanted everyone to make fun of him and also to make sure that the spells always did the same thing. I targeted Kuz because I wanted him to be the kingmaker if there was a chance for it.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I then chose Rockin because I wanted everyone to make fun of him

I believe this claim 1000% now.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alrighty.

The necessary people should get at my 1578/79.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Already explained why I thought Nix was scum upon a Soup town flip.

 

[mentosman8]

Didn't realize this was opened back up, posting in a little bit.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh: Why did you ask J who to cop?

Uh... lessee, it was because I was wondering who to cop, though I already had JTB in mind. J had just pulled a weird gambit in pizza mafia where he ... eh not gonna get too into it, but basically he investigated someone without asking town and I wanted to do that, without making it obvious I had a cop ability.

looool

 

[Asdioh]

I'm Hina, the town aligned curse goddess. Each night I must target someone with one of three spells, (each of which has it's own subset maybe? Because I used the same spell all 3 nights and they did different things) and something happens to them. I'm responsible for everyone making fun of Zen, the kingmaker thing with Rockin, and voteblocking Kuz.

I targeted Zen because he claimed vt so I knew I could safely target him without affecting any town power roles unless he was lying which then he deserved whatever unlucky thing happened to him. I then chose Rockin because I wanted everyone to make fun of him and also to make sure that the spells always did the same thing. I targeted Kuz because I wanted him to be the kingmaker if there was a chance for it.

hmm... looking up the character, it doesn't sound like it would be aligned with remilia. Not-mafia, at the very least.

I believe this claim 1000% now.

lol. Yeah probably town.

Not gonna waste a vig on him now >_>

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Already explained why I thought Nix was scum upon a Soup town flip.

But are there other reasons aside from that?

 

[Nix2100]

Agreed with having Gova alive.

@Nabe - Im curious about your interactions with OS at your #788 You wanted a lynch on Rockin but OS says No, and you just switch to J, no real arguments, not really trying. Do you still want Rockin lynched? Why didn't you even attempt to get a stronger case on him?

@Mentos - You may or may not answer this in your post that you got coming, but how do you still feel about Sold and Nabe?

@Rockin - Are you still alive? You didn't give town a lot of options when it came to your quick lynch of Soup. It doesn't look too good for you when you dont wait around for town majority, even if you were King.

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, so yeah, hey guys :D Soldie, why choose me for the inactive vote you threw down? I'm not saying it's a terrible vote choice and you should feel bad, but "Mentos disturbs me" could use some elaboration, especially when you've been talking mostly about Rockin today.

Speaking of Rockin, I still think he's town. His move yesterday didn't really help my read, and I'd probably vote him if town wanted to go that way now, but quite frankly if I recall correctly I've seen him do, well, nearly the exact same thing as town before. *looks up to confirm* yep, Spider-Manfia, Rockin was a one shot vig who had been restricted to one post for the day, came in out of nowhere and shot without any input from the town. Was a long time ago, but the precedent makes me a bit more willing to accept it as a townie mistake.

Sold is, as far as I'm concerned, still a good lynch. Woulda preferred him yesterday and he's probably my personal #1 lynch choice right now. He has been as, if not more, inactive than me, and has made it blatantly obvious several times that he's been skimming and at times even making decisions while openly stating to have not read everything before making them. Needs to go IMO.

Nabe I've got no problem with right now. Not necessarily town, but not feeling the scumpoints there.

Gova's claim could really fly for either alignment, and it's not like claims can really be entirely trusted anyway. Given the mods of this game, I'd say it's 100% likely that scum have safe nameclaims, so flavor doesn't mean jack. The role itself is an alignment ambiguous role(seen both the making fun of and voteblocker effects given to mafia and town before, kingmaker not so much but if it's an uncontrolled result it could make sense). This doesn't mean Gova's scum, but don't rule him out of possible lynch/vig shot over a claim that could go either way.

Let's see, what else we got? AsianAussie? I don't remember anything about his playerslot because he's been so absent. Swiss lands himself here too. Don't think I've seen hard stances outta either of them all game(and yes, I know Swiss was replaced, but since Seph has yet to post content it still holds true). Swiss has the inno going for him though, and albeit godfather possibility there's really nothing to go on to say that that's the case.

Kuzi also has an inno, and I'm currently inclined to believe it. Haven't seen any reason to think he's not townie.

Still buying Asdioh's claim, however not a terrible lynch since we really have no evidence whatsoever that he's legit.

Laundry's jailer claim was decent, but at the same time the claim to have jailed Swiss twice is meh. Still a candidate.

Zen claims sole vanilla townie, un CC'd but very possible a safeclaim he's riding out. Hasn't done jack all game. Very much a lynch candidate.

Nix is, well, Nix, and probably one of my most null reads in the game at this point.

LYNCH!(aka the GO DIE tier):
Sold
AsianAussie

Would vote(aka the willing to lynch, but not preferred tier):
Rockin
Gova
Laundry
Seph if he can't produce content
Zen
Nix(simply for being null)

Should live(through today at least tier:D):
Asdioh
Kuzi
Nabe
Seph if he can produce content

The "will never be lynched because he's so town" tier
Mentos

Oh, did I mention it was high time to let reads flow like water? Cuz it's about that time. Let's pose as a team and get **** done town!

 

[mentosman8]

Oh, and Kuzi, I almost forgot. The actual role "witch" is not the one you described, that was just a different power assigned to a name which happens to be an existing role. The standard witch role is they select a target to hex, and if any town aligned roles visit them they die. I've seen it done as replacement for night kill or additional to night kill.

 

[Asdioh]

Speaking of Rockin, I still think he's town. His move yesterday didn't really help my read, and I'd probably vote him if town wanted to go that way now, but quite frankly if I recall correctly I've seen him do, well, nearly the exact same thing as town before. *looks up to confirm* yep, Spider-Manfia, Rockin was a one shot vig who had been restricted to one post for the day, came in out of nowhere and shot without any input from the town. Was a long time ago, but the precedent makes me a bit more willing to accept it as a townie mistake.

That sounds like a completely different scenario to me, as Rockin could post here as much as he'd have liked.

Still buying Asdioh's claim, however not a terrible lynch since we really have no evidence whatsoever that he's legit.

This is completely true. All I have going for me are flavor character (could have been a safeclaim) and role claim (could have also been a safeclaim but very unlikely)
And of course my play, if you consider that townie enough.

Thanks for reminding me how outright skimmy Sold is. In my experience, I have seen mafia admit to skimming, so I'm not necessarily going to take his skimming as a scum tell, but I'm also not going to take his admittance to skimming as a town tell.


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