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I knew I should have been keeping up with the thread...
I knew I should have been keeping up with the thread...
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And also, people who are arguing that lynching Stingers was alright because of his anti town behavior leads you to believe that he won't take the game seriously, or make good use of any powers given to him, how do you feel now that he has been replaced?
This is why I don’t think he’s that bad of player. I think that he was breadcrumbing his role in this post. Obviously I am not going to explain how, since I would rather keep my role secret, but I am just pointing this out so that you know for sure that the possibility of me fakeclaiming a role is heavily limited and I would have had to already thought up a fake role for me to make such an assertion, if I was scum.I have -scum- on the bottom of my shoes >____>
stingers and egruntz sorta got into a bit during the joke vote phase. Dunno if it's them being new to SWF mafia or something else.
Not a lot to go on. Just something to consider.
Looks like he was grasping for straws to me. Their interaction didn’t seem very notable at all.Jungle do you actually think there was something in the conversation between Egruntz and Stingers, or are you just grasping for straws here?
What mentosman? You would agree with his lynch this early in the day simply because one person casted suspicion on him[and a not very strong one]. Also, why did you feel the need to say that you would?I would agree with an egruntz lynch to some extent, but I REALLY don't like the sound of that post by Marshy.
And then you pretty much say that the reasoning against Egruntz is weak. Then why the **** would you agree with an Egruntz lynch? This seems like a clear contradiction. It doesn’t look like you would be down for his lynch at all, instead it seems like you had a different reason for saying that you would.@Marshy: What's up with not elaborating on the thoughts or posting anything beyond "per stingers' reasoning? You know as well as anyone making a vote without posting your own thoughts on the person doesn't look good. Also, the reasoning given for an egruntz lynch by stingers fails. Counter-voting during the joke vote stage is scummy now? The voting of no lynch wasn't really anything big... We pointed out that there are advantages to lynching, and that it was too early in the day to decide which was more advantageous, and he unvoted. Not something that can be let slide entirely, but not something major. Similarly, the speculating mafia numbers, which I called out right away, was nothing harmful, and another thing that a new player would think of as useful.
So I guess what I'm trying to get at here Marshy, is I know you're a good player. Not only was the reasoning given for voting egruntz weak, but you didn't bother to elaborate at all on the points Stingers gave. As I said, he's on my radar, but for a player who knows what they're doing like you, that whole vote and post throws lights up across the board. Until you elaborate on your vote and give some more solid reasoning to vote him, my vote on you sticks.
Apparently stingers’s argument went from ‘not very strong’ to ‘complete crap’. But, I thought you would be down for a Egruntz lynch to a certain extent? I guess you were lying when you said that, seeing as how everything you said after that seems to contradict that thought.Stingers, I don't see why you're focused on egruntz right now. One of your reasons for that vote is complete crap(countervoting in the joke vote phase is most certainly NOT a scummy behavior, in fact it is quite common as they're, ya know, jokes). The other two are iffy at best to cause you to focus on someone. The no lynch thing isn't anything big(Several games lately have had someone vote no lynch during day 1 and remove it later), as I said in my post to Marshy it is not something to entirely throw out, but not something to cause me to put focus on someone. And the speculating on how many mafia? Well, I did that during my first game. I've seen people do it in ALMOST every game I've played here. Once again, nothing to entirely forget, but nothing that should cause you to focus on him.
If you can give me one solid reason to be focusing on egruntz, I may be on your side. Right now you have given weak at best reasoning, and then looked past something far more scummy to focus on the person that reasoning was on. This is early d1, things like Marshy's post are things to jump on and question, not little things like you pointed out about egruntz that aren't inherently scummy.
Lolwut? It looks to me as though Marshy never had a reason to vote Egruntz, especially since he backs down very easily.Oops. I had not realized it was such a scummy move. I keep thinking that one day a new player is going to come in here and feign ignorance and dupe Town like that. I thought Egruntz could be doing that so I voted him to encourage a response to stingers' accusation. I was not so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but mentos answered for him making it pointless. So Unvote: Egruntz.
I think it’s ok. Especially since it is early d1, most of the accusations will be random and not very strong. You can’t really get deciding evidence so early in the day, so all Stingers did was promote/instigate conversation/discussion. There is no reason that he should be punished for this.So stinger, you are saying it's okay to vote on little or no evidence? Your playstyle seems to be suggesting that. Yes, you have to vote to win. But misvote, we mislynch, and we lose. Bandwagon votes are dangerous. Not saying you jumped on the bandwagon, but an indy and the two mafia jump on that bandwagon and we have ourselves a lynch (or very close to one).
If you don’t find him suspicious than don’t lynch him. Changed his vote often? Wow because changing it 1 time is SOOO often.I don't think stingers is suspicious. It's just behavior that's noticeable. If you start changing your vote so often then you start to look suspicious.
Though I don't disagree with notion that people should vote for someone they feel are suspicious, I am against people voting without stating their reasoning behind it, and saying "i agree with what x said" doesn't count. They should tell us WHY they agree with what they said.
Berate: to scold or condemn vehemently and at length.Ok, I'm very close to voting you. Kevin asked how you felt about a role claim, not asked you to role claim now. Second of all, you just seem to want to continually berate town for not quick-lynching with no solid suspicions. While we all consider lynching carefully and are thinking things through, you seem to be pushing a lynch and saying instead of answering questions directed at you, you just continually say that we suck at mafia for playing smart and not trying to come up with a lynch a week before the deadline, and more importantly not deciding way too early that a lynch is the best option. If you continue to berate town because we don't agree with your opinion, it leads me to one of two thoughts.
1. You're mafia trying to make us go through with a lynch knowing that the candidates aren't mafia.
2. You're just being a hinderance to town by refusing to answer questions directed at you, and berating everyone who doesn't agree with you. Even if you are town, leaving you alive gives the mafia someone to point fingers at who is frustrating enough we can believe they're mafia.
Honestly, if you don't start answering questions directed at you and begin playing the game instead of calling everyone terrible who doesn't agree with your opinion, I don't see any benefit to keeping you alive and in the game.
Also, as an aside, I'm going to try to get another good post in tonight, but tomorrow I leave for Canada, and will be there until Sunday night. I'll have my laptop, but may not be able to post very often.
Fairly decent post.It's not like this is the first time I've ever been encountered with the idea of a mass roleclaim. I already know my stance on it and I don't need to "weigh the options" for your sake.
It can stand to benefit town if Mafia is ****ing ******** and makes obviously false claims. I like to assume I'm playing with more intelligent people then that from time to time, but if SWF mafia makes idiotic claims then I guess it can be beneficial.
The only time when mass claim is preferable from a Town perspective is when there is a large number of confirmed townies and a small number of unconfirmed. The unconfirmed should mass claim to help the confirmed figure out how to lynch.
K answer my question from one of my previous post. Anyone else who shares this sentiment should also answer my question and present an actual argument as to why I should be lynched.vote: Stingers You've just convinced me that you're usefulness for the town is little, if any at all.
Lol this post scared me.Okay, so you guys are out of leads?
Consider day over, then.
If stingers was a better lynch why would you want to lynch Egrunting? Explain your thought process por favor.Well thing is, that's the only lynch so far that seems acceptable in my eyes. Of course, stingers makes a better canidate, we don't know how much info we may get out of his lynch. I have said my suspicion upon other people, but it's not enough to lead a vote. In my eyes at least, I feel that a egruntz lynch is a way to go. speaking of Egruntz...HEY! Get over here and post you bum! We only have three days till the day is over.
Understandable. I'll be honest with you on why that happened. Early on in the day I began pressuring Stingers on very little reasoning to see how he would react while almost everyone was inactive. I didn't think he was that scummy when I started to bring things up about him, and then he started ignoring everything and accomplishing nothing which distracted all conversation to him. I still didn't have any strong reasoning against him, but with every post he made he pulled conversation back toward him, and I threatened to vote him hoping to elicit a full response.The main thing about my suspicions on you and Junglefever is the fact of the ATTITUDE you both had on him. Upon his constant disregard to answering questions or co-operating, you two lost your cools with him. You threatening him with a vote and Junglefever practically has a vote on him which if he did it out of spite, I don't see it taken off. It's just really out of character, especially from you Mentos. You've always seem to keep your cool no matter how much pressure things have gotten...and to just see you do something like that is out of character IMO.
Now, stemming from what I said above, a lot of the reason I was willing for a stingers lynch is because no matter the pressure on him, he never tried to work with town and give us anything. This made me think that if he weren't scum, he would not help us at all in later days, as with all eyes on him he still refused to even give a substantial post. Now that there is a new player behind the wheel so to speak, I am NOT for the same lynch anymore. Macman has given us more to work with in one post than stingers did since very early in the day. Now that my unsure feeling about scumminess isn't compounded with extreme unhelpfulness, it is harder to say it doesn't hurt us much if he does flip town.And also, people who are arguing that lynching Stingers was alright because of his anti town behavior leads you to believe that he won't take the game seriously, or make good use of any powers given to him, how do you feel now that he has been replaced?
Oddly enough, that comment had nothing to do with any of Stingers suspicions of egruntz. I was nowhere near ready to lynch him, but the repeated playing of the noob card was(as it is now) mildly suspicious, and although it wasn't anything strong, it was enough to where at the time he was one of my higher suspects given what there was to work with. That is also what I meant when I said "to a certain extent." I was nowhere near a point of voting him, but if town had to decide on a lynch with only the information we had at that point, he would have been one I was ok with.What mentosman? You would agree with his lynch this early in the day simply because one person casted suspicion on him[and a not very strong one]. Also, why did you feel the need to say that you would?
Also, what did you mean by, to a certain extent?
See above, Stingers reasoning about egruntz was weak at best, but I could also see through some small other things him being a viable candidate. Since there was so little to work with at the time, that was essentially a way of saying I had an FoS going on egruntz.And then you pretty much say that the reasoning against Egruntz is weak. Then why the **** would you agree with an Egruntz lynch? This seems like a clear contradiction. It doesn’t look like you would be down for his lynch at all, instead it seems like you had a different reason for saying that you would.
Stingers than agrees with Mentos about Marshy, [which I do as well] but that he wants to focus on Egruntz.
Man, I should have just responded to all these at onceXD Anyway, for the first part, my thoughts on his reasoning are the exact same in both posts if you read them carefully. The only one I referred to as "complete crap" was countervoting during the joke vote phase, because let's be honest, that means just as little as any of the votes in that phase. The other two as I said, were nothing to forget, but not particularly strong. And no, I wasn't lying, as I said in my response to the other parts, I had a couple things on my mind about him that the inactivity helped appear bigger, and would have considered him due to said thoughts.Apparently stingers’s argument went from ‘not very strong’ to ‘complete crap’. But, I thought you would be down for a Egruntz lynch to a certain extent? I guess you were lying when you said that, seeing as how everything you said after that seems to contradict that thought.
Well maybe. I mean, if you're town, you should not have no worries about attention to yourself in anyway or hiding something (Unless it's a important role).I don't see it as that defensive really, but I guess it's just not being used to it. If I was hiding something would I call attention to myself?
Ch aco?So you would be ok with lynching me?
A little bit. I just noticed how you used the HP Mafia case on Marshy a lot. In terms of him 'protecting' others and the fact of trust. Usually I see like one reference or two, or maybe several references from that said character (and keep in mind, both these things would target different people at a time). I just thought that should take of some notice.Also, were you being sarcastic about that comment Rockin about bringing up HP?