Mentos - It's not the fact that you three are pressuring him. It's the part where you're gonna vote for him for being unhelpful or co-operative. There could be a good chance that he comes up as town and we would get nearly no where, especially since he wasn't really answering our questions. This is why Hando wasn't considered a strong lynch canidate. Even though he wasn't acting normal or he wasn't exactly co-operating, there was that chance that Town would get little to no information
Even though I suspect you three, I feel better going for a egruntz lynch. The way he plays is odd and he hasn't been posting as much as needed. Not to mention he's playing the newb card too frequently. At least with this lynch, we'll be able to tell if stingers is worth a lynch. You remember how they were both going at it before, right? It wouldn't be surprising if those two were acting like they were arguing or hated each other's opinions.
So with that said Vote: Egruntz
Stingers has been acting suspicious (or stupid, take your pick) in terms of being asked questions and whatnot. Because of him acting so suspicious and not caring, Even though these qualities makes him a good lynch choice, I personally don't see much benifit.
There are other people I'm suspicious of Mentos, Junglefever, and KevinM. All three of them (mainly the first two) were losing their cool towards stingers. I'm sure they both know that even though may seem extreamly scummy to some levels or isn't co-operating, he could still be a possible townie. In the games Katherik King has been in, he was acting very scummy and people soon learn that lynching someone like him so quickly has his punishments.
While I know egruntz's newb card doesn't hold much weight, the fact that he hasn't been posting too much in the thread is something. Most of his recent post doesn't really talk about the main topic at hand. There's also that little battle they had. It's unsure to call it real or fake, but meh. Also, lynching him and him coming up town may just show that stingers is actually town.
Back home so here comes a post. First of all, you think it's suspicious that we would vote him for being unhelpful/un-cooperative? That is decidedly anti-town behavior, regardless of his alignment, and justifies a considered lynch. So despite the fact that he has been anti-town, it's suspicious to vote for him because it's a good chance(as it is with everyone I remind you) he could flip town and we wouldn't get much info out of it? Since when is considering a d1 lynch, when we have the LEAST info, on someone decidedly anti-town scummy? To carry on, you then bring in Karthik King. Since when do we rule out lynch candidates because we've seen players who act scummy and aren't scum. Is this the new go to excuse if you sound scummy, "Well KK does it and he's always town. I'm not a good lynch choice just because I'm being scummy."
Then, for the other part, in the first post I quoted, you specifically mention the newb card as one of your reasons for suspecting him, then turn around in the second post and say you know it doesn't hold much weight. If it doesn't hold much weight, why would you list it in your suspicions of him? And how would lynching egruntz give us more info than stingers? Neither of them have given us much to work with, and both were suspected at some point by nearly everyone. I think your logic for an egruntz lynch is weaker than that of those considering a stingers lynch.
I really just don't like this post. Like at all. The part I bolded really sticks out to me. I don't know if you worded it wrong. But the way you explained it, you put it as not being in the game period. Then how is a day relevant to that?
This post stands out BIG time to me. Earlier Chaco had mentioned the exact same thing, and Rockin had clarified what he meant, to which Chaco thanked him for clarifying. This is his VERY next post after that, not even an hour later, and he is asking the same question. I don't know, just seems strange that he can get it, then less than an hour later not.
I can't say anything other than "It's possible". However I'm hoping people don't justify keeping their votes on him saying "Well he could always be indy". That seems half-as sed and I'd rather we pass judgment on stingers later in the game because mafia may've just given us a confirmed townie. Who knows.
I think it's possible. Is it so unjustified to think that an SK would think he's being slick by asserting that there is one?
It's definitely not a reason to justify voting him. However, I think we can agree that he has been acting decidedly anti-town since a little less than midway in the day. If we hold your reasoning, and consider that, there is just as much chance of him being indie as town. Also remember, 8 of the 9 players other than you and stingers have openly suspected him. With a relatively solid guess of two mafia, that leaves enough room for maf to not be voting him. I don't see how it "may've just given us a confirmed townie" when the numbers work out where the mafia could be not voting him, and more importantly he has been acting SO anti-town any reasonably intelligent partner would have voiced suspicion on him by this point.
Also, I left the second part on there as a re-statement, because that's the exact reason I made the question I did to Chaco.
But you do realize that because he hasn't changed up at all, it could be possible that voting him would not give us information upon Day 2, thus not helping town?
I just wanted to say, the fact that you think he is the best lynch candidate, but don't want to vote him because it may not give us much info seems odd. The fact that he hasn't changed up at all doesn't mean we get any less info than by lynching egruntz as you suggest who has been inactive now for a good portion of the day, and didn't give us much to work with either.
Now, Marshy, I know I don't have my vote on Stingers, and am hence not part of the question you directed, but I'll answer anyway. I would still be comfortable with a Stingers lynch because if he IS town, he could potentially waste PR results tonight that could be used on someone else if he is just playing that bad of a town game. Similarly, if he is town and is still around in a lylo situation, and not actually putting forth effort, the mafia has a massive scapegoat.
However, at this point in the day I am starting to consider a no-lynch. Now that we have more people active I am starting to see little things here and there that seem odd. Not enough on any given person to justify lynching them, but enough where it makes me question the thought of stingers being mafia. Due to that, if nothing comes up the next couple days a no-lynch is slowly looking better.(Still think stingers isn't a bad choice, just enough reasonable doubt for me to be considering the nl side.)
