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She's top tier, but she's not top tier? Your opinion...
Um doubtful.
XD I didn't even notice that, thank you. I edited it.
yeah, it has no lag at all, except the very long ending lag after using it which seems two times longer than brawl (nerf) and the very punishable landing lag
yes there is you gentleman kind sir lady of the night nyerk
. Imo she gets wrecked by every single one of these characters. And then we're still not talking about other solid characters like who don't seem like very even match-ups either. Zelda is somewhat underwhelming relatively, which will probably put her in the lower ranks of the list. I would love to be proven wrong, however. I would very much like to see a strong version of Zelda.
ay I liked one because I agree with zelda being better when she is more offensive than defensive the other one tho..........<3
Who shuts her down again aside from maybe a few super high mobility characters? It's pretty hard to shut down a character that has one of the best recoveries in the game and literally will never get hit by a Smash attack.
I'm legit curious as to what you meant here. Mind expanding on that point?
Basically, it's extremely hard to land a KO move on Zelda if you use Up-B to get out of bad situations correctly. Thus she's a character that should realistically survive pretty long most stocks when almost none of the conventional edgeguard and land trap setups work on her. Most characters are forced to make a hard read in footsies to kill her.
This is an extremely jaundiced statement and you know it. As for characters who she struggles with that aren't clearly definsed speedsters, look at Kirby or Yoshi. Hitting Kirby as Zelda safely is particularly difficult because of how small he is in addition to his crouch making most of your moves whiff. Good recovery isn't much of a unique trait to Zelda because most Brawl based recoveries are great in general, with Smash4 being no exception. It cannot be ignored that Zelda's recovery is only safe/good for grabbing the edge, and that clearing the edge safely after grabbing it is not as safe as it used to be. There are other recoveries like Rosalina's or Lucario's that will both grab the edge quickly and allow you to clear the stage in a safe position depending on what you need.
Zelda's normals are merely okay. Her multihits that aren't Nayru's Love are still plagued with inconsistency issues. Good tier placement means a good matchup spread and fewer "headache" matchups. Of course other characters have them, but they're comparatively better balanced than Zelda to run into fewer of them. Zelda has more than a few polarizing matchups against her, and honestly not enough for her. This becomes evident when you're not tunnel visioning one character and use other characters the game has to offer and notice different levels of overall performance. Even if you insist that "Zelda can do well," if the majority of other characters' tool kits are competitively better off than Zelda, then Zelda will wind up as a low tier by a matter of relativity. That much is an indisputable fact for any character's placement in a tier list.
Wouldn't Dark Pch be A2ZOMG V2? At least chronologically?
wtf, most of the recoveries in this game are honestly not that good. Only about 10 characters or so have seriously good recoveries who are like Sonic, Pikachu, Villager, Greninja, Mr Game and Watch, Peach, Metaknight, Samus, Zero Suit Samus, and Zelda. Basically everyone else has to play around ledgeguards respectfully. Zelda having one of the best recoveries in the game is a huge asset that can't be denied especially when it lets you get out of traps and edgeguard people.
relativity? I'm trying to factor what Zelda has compared to other characters, and what bad matchups she probably has. You can be mid tier and have some lame matchups, while being competent in several other relevant ones. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't see why Zelda shouldn't do well against Lucario and Rosalina for instance, and I also don't believe Yoshi is as hard for Zelda as you suggested. The primary three that look really hard are Sonic, Little Mac, and Peach who kinda can disrespect Zelda's footsies in obvious ways.
Realistically, Zelda benefits a huge amount more than most other characters with "poor" recoveries because she actually can edgeguard very well in this game. Not to mention she dodges one of the negative side effects of ledge mechanics very easily, which is ledge trapping, while other characters have to take riskier guesses to get back into neutral.
