Toonami Mafia - Game Over - Daytime Programing wins!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then thread should slap PJB on the wrist for bussing BadWolf so convincingly (NL first if everyone feels super ballsy): and if scum wins after that then they get a congrats and more likely than not I shake my fist at Kary. (and if not then major Soup/Vand buttsalt will ensue)

This sparked my interest and I'm going to go back to look at that instance. I see you're voting Gangsta over PJB however, so could you tell me why this isn't enough?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Whatever soup. I really want to smack down your stupidass argument for me being scum, but I'm just gonna drop it, cuz proving you wrong by flipping town isn't worth it.

@Kary. My reads have been terrible? You're gonna have to back that up with some evidence, cuz I don't see anything supporting that my reads are very bad at all. I certainly don't feel as lost as I typically feel when I'm playing Town, I feel good about my play so far.

If I absolutely had to pick another person for scummer, I guess it'd be Inferno. Stuff like the dumbtell he just gave us about thinking the mafia would need an investigation in order to catch claimed tracker Rajam just... makes me think he's dumb. I suppose it's possible that he's scum who isn't paying close enough attention to the game, but whenever I'm presented with "dumb or scum" as options, I'm usually gonna be inclined to go with dumb.

 

[vanderzant]

@Pjb: If Kary's scum, do you think he's the one hiding the flips then? Or do you think there are multiple scum? Can you expand on how Kary scum fits in with all the NAs and flip info we've received?

Massclaim order for me:
Kary
PJB
Vandy
Me

I'm ok with this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I didn't even post anything yet, why are you getting so defensive suddenly? I looked back just now and I think BW's attitude towards you is odd, you're gun-ho for him the whole time and he really just shrugs you off and doesn't have a problem with you.

Something I noted was the interaction here:

OK, so I've mostly been keeping up with this game as it has progressed, but I'm honestly not feeling the BSP wagon, or the soup hate.

Badwolf's play has been disgusting, to the point where he has openly admitted to a willingness to sheep power players, while simultaneously refusing to vote his supposed scumread because "it will make me look bad". I also distinctly remember him calling soup out for using bad grammar and run-on sentences... and his callout was a run-on sentence, which was marvelous. Other than the for the lols, it was a huge waste of time. The more BW posts, the more I feel ok with him going.

Gonna spend some time rereading to see if I can wrap my head around the BSP wagon. I understand why people dislike him, but I disagree that he couldn't possibly be town, and do what he did.

I hope you realize that I'm the only one voting Soup at this point, which negates the sheeping claim. And also Soup is my scum pick so there goes the not voting for my scum read.

I'm fine with this. Badwolf is clearly a better play than BSP or Soup.

vote: Badwolf

It's not relevant in context but if you keep going on from there, Badwolf completely dismisses this vote on him and doesn't bring up PJB for a long time, and this is something I don't understand. There is one reads-list that he finally posted however.

3. Vinyl. - Kinda annoyingly useless. He pops in and posts about current events however he doesn't really want to get involved beyond that. I haven't seen him in the thick of it and I would like to see him there.
4. Kary - He just got in. I want to see more before I post certainty about him.
6. KevinM - I like him, he was actively working with town and by extent RF. He was putting questions to people and being understandable with them. I want more posts by him right now.
8. PrivateJoker-Brown - I would like to see more by him. His slot hasn't posted ever except to say that they were replacing out. He's alright-ish so far because I can see where he might have gotten pulled into my wagon.
9. Rajam - Less than active. Except he was somewhat more active during the first couple of days.
10. Inglorious ******* - Eh, he's weird. I feel as if Gheb is running the show on this and I'm not sure how exactly he plays. I might just be missing something but I'm not sure.
12. Make it Rain! (Xonar/WashedLaundry) - They are unpredictable. I feel as if they are on a track with Soup or BSP then they go off on me. :/ I like that they are looking in other places, but it makes it confusing because I'm really not sure what's going to happen next.
13. Gangstalicious (Inferno3044/J) - He popped in for a little while? He needs to post more.
14. Jeoy - See Gang.

This read doesn't make sense at all, and looking back at BW's previous reads makes me scratch my head even more. I looked further to solidify this and PJB spends a credible amount of time arguing with BW, and he simply just shrugs it off and continues to focus on me.

I know I won't get an answer out of a dead player and I'm sure PJB will deny everything but this is rather something to note.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

No man, I'm not falling for this goddamn trap you're setting up here. I can't win with you at this point. I can refute your dumb points, and you label me as "overly defensive". Or I do nothing, and I get called out for not addressing points made against me.

If you wanna vote me, then vote me. If you don't, then I don't know what you're even doing right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You can't win? Do you see my vote on you just yet?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I don't, which is why I don't know what you're doing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well, If it wasn't obvious enough I dislike some things about you and I merely posted what I disliked about you for the sake of productivity and garnering reactions. You're still clinging to Inferno as last scum? Is there an Indy or not, and could you tell me who you think it is?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Kary. My reads have been terrible? You're gonna have to back that up with some evidence, cuz I don't see anything supporting that my reads are very bad at all. I certainly don't feel as lost as I typically feel when I'm playing Town, I feel good about my play so far.

No, let's not argue about how bad your reads are.

you have already said that you don't know what scumKary looks like, though, so if you want to explain what led you to having me as your top pick, and why you think that makes sense, go ahead.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vandy, I really doubt that WATT is indy with a role like this, and the way he claimed wasn't an indy thing to do at all. There's a last mafia out there considering there were two kills unless someone wants to theory something else. I don't find myself believing it.

I don't even really want to think about it right now, to be honest.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm not basing a scumread on you off of meta, so I don't need to know what scumKary, specifically, looks like. For one thing, I haven't seen you make an actual push, or follow up on any of your reads. I also see you doing stuff like asking everyone else for scumreads, while not electing to give, or substantiate your own first.

You seem to just show up, cast suspicion on others, then peace out for awhile.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vandy, I really doubt that WATT is indy with a role like this, and the way he claimed wasn't an indy thing to do at all. There's a last mafia out there considering there were two kills unless someone wants to theory something else. I don't find myself believing it.

at best, what you can know about WATT's role is that they have access to a kill. Idk about you but if I was playing an indy, at some point i'd have to make a stand and claim something; when you have a guilty on a mafiosi seems as good a time as any.

I'll admit that they're unlikely to be mafia at this stage though.

I'm not basing a scumread on you off of meta, so I don't need to know what scumKary, specifically, looks like. For one thing, I haven't seen you make an actual push, or follow up on any of your reads. I also see you doing stuff like asking everyone else for scumreads, while not electing to give, or substantiate your own first.

You seem to just show up, cast suspicion on others, then peace out for awhile.

hmm ok
uh, nope
not actually scummy
nope

the idea that i have to claim before you is absurd :/

 

[#HBC | Joker]

@Pjb: If Kary's scum, do you think he's the one hiding the flips then? Or do you think there are multiple scum? Can you expand on how Kary scum fits in with all the NAs and flip info we've received?



I'm ok with this.

in response to this, since I just realized I ignored it, I think there's probably only one member of the mafia left. If there's a 4th scummer, I think it's either gonna be an indy, or a traitor. That 4th man would likely be the guy covering up those flips.

I don't know where I'd fit Kary in terms of his specific role.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

WATT:
as far as I am aware, you have disliked Gangsta's slot for a while now. Why, when given the opportunity to vig them the hell outta here, did you instead shoot FF, who was more or less null, and not offending anyone?

At the time of our shooting decision making we were under the assumption it was probably an indy we were left looking for, looking back on Kevin's ambivalent play topped with Frozen's willingness to hammer on his first real post without asking questions seemed like a good indy lead. Gangsta at least had that one outburst we backed off on him for and seemed more likely mafia (and therefore not someone we expected to be needing to still shoot).

tl;dr Gangsta had posts in thread people could read and would probably get lynched next if the game wasn't over. Frozen didn't, and I still wanted him gone. I wasn't taking a hyper-null who joined two wagons with minimal posting to Lylo with me.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

This sparked my interest and I'm going to go back to look at that instance. I see you're voting Gangsta over PJB however, so could you tell me why this isn't enough?

Because I've been crucified in past games for just playing the game the way I see it and happening to be right. Given the assumption that at very most there's two scum left I don't see a reason not to continue to give PJB the benefit of the doubt on just being instinctively correct on Badwolf like we were over Gangsta who has done nothing redeeming before or after the AtE we dropped him for (and called two confirmed slots town).

 

[Wots All This Then?]

EBWOP: Confirmed scum slots town

 

[#HBC | Joker]

See that's what I don't get. Soup reads BWscum and goes hyper aggro on BW and he's confirmed not aligned with him. I do the same thing, but for some reason I'm probable scum for it cuz now it's D4? What changed?

 

[Jdietz43]

Your play.

Soup kept his aggro going onto other slots and put himself out there to be read, you left it at BW and opted instead to mostly play armchair analysis and agree with wagons rather than shout them out.


Giving out a fleshed out Kary case may help if that's truly the direction you see the thread needs to go, otherwise you just sit at 2nd on the list.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Your play.

Soup kept his aggro going onto other slots and put himself out there to be read, you left it at BW and opted instead to mostly play armchair analysis and agree with wagons rather than shout them out.


Giving out a fleshed out Kary case may help if that's truly the direction you see the thread needs to go, otherwise you just sit at 2nd on the list.

Multiple accounts: how do they work

 

[#HBC | Joker]

soup went as hard on everyone else as he did on bw? I must have missed those pages of back and forth.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Not as hard, but he questioned everyone and has continued to push each dayphase. You lost that luster after the BW kill, and really haven't been as solid on anyone.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Still waiting on our cards btw.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Umm, I was calling for Rajam and Nabe's heads up to the moment they were each dead, so yea. That's completely inaccurate analysis of my play.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Forgot about that. Rajam's an easy push though. Nabe I'll give ya until a reread

 

[#HBC | Joker]

You could potentially argue that I wasn't screaming as loud for those 2 as I did for BW, but there's a very simple explanation for that. Nobody disagreed with me on them. I had to be a lot louder about BW, because there were fewer people on my side.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

OK, give me a bullet point list of why kary/inferno, fi you don't mind.
Also I'm ok with the proposed massclaim order.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

For Kary, it's all the reasons I previously stated above.

For Inferno, the only thing I really have is that D1, the two wagons were BSP and Badwolf, and he wasn't down for either of them. Turns out, they were both scum. Not really a strong point, imo, but then I never claimed I was really comfortable with him as a scumread.

I actually have to run, but I'll let you know if anything more significant pops into my head about either of them. I'll be pondering it a bit more.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That's all you got for inferno? there's more there than that mate.

 

[Inferno3044]

I'll just be honest and say I haven't read some stuff and I didn't see Rajam claim. I retract my statement about the investigative. However I would like to know what Nabe was even though he's like 95% scum (I'd be very surprised if he was town). MafiaNabe and indyNabe are two different things. Personally I don't see much if any town value in finding an indy because both town and mafia want to get rid of him. However, mafiaNabe shows mafia connections. How do we know that Nabe didn't choose to make his claim on "shooting" PJB as a distance attempt? To put a great example on how it affects, I can see mafiaVand as a possibility with an indyNabe, but not with a mafiaNabe.

My reads were complete *** this game. Mass claim should happen before I get lynched if that's the choice.

 

[Inferno3044]

Also WATT isn't mafia for obvious reasons. IndyNabe would confirm WATTtown for me (which would be 1 more incorrect read) but mafiaNabe makes IndyWATT very possible. Also can you reclaim for me WATT? When I read it, there were things I didn't understand.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

scumpicks please 'ferno.
ignore for a minute trying to paint a picture of who's scum, just tell me your top two scummiest players plz.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Seto Kaiba, Town Gambler. Each day we receive 6 cards, and pick one. That card gives us our NA. N1 we doc'd joey, but were told our NA failed. N2 we watched clownbot, and saw Rake visit him. Last night we vigged Frozen Flame, thinking we were dealing with an indy. then another NK happened and we're back on to another mafiat.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I also wanna talk to my partner about you inferno. we'll see what comes of it

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deadline should be 21st not 20th, small mistake on my part.

 

[Inferno3044]

Why did you choose FF over me?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

At the time of our shooting decision making we were under the assumption it was probably an indy we were left looking for, looking back on Kevin's ambivalent play topped with Frozen's willingness to hammer on his first real post without asking questions seemed like a good indy lead. Gangsta at least had that one outburst we backed off on him for and seemed more likely mafia (and therefore not someone we expected to be needing to still shoot).

tl;dr Gangsta had posts in thread people could read and would probably get lynched next if the game wasn't over. Frozen didn't, and I still wanted him gone. I wasn't taking a hyper-null who joined two wagons with minimal posting to Lylo with me.

tenquotes.
Also I was trusting Rajams result of you going nowhere and figuring the indy we were presumably looking for would have a NA as well as the flip hiding ability so that ruled you out from that angle.

 

[vanderzant]

Vandy, I really doubt that WATT is indy with a role like this, and the way he claimed wasn't an indy thing to do at all. There's a last mafia out there considering there were two kills unless someone wants to theory something else. I don't find myself believing it.

I don't even really want to think about it right now, to be honest.

Yeah dude that's what I've been saying/thinking.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Would really prefer that this game wuoldn't go to **** at a time like this.

Get to the massclaim at least.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

INFERNO
SCUMPICKS; TOP TWO

this shouldn't be that hard now.

My reads were complete *** this game. Mass claim should happen before I get lynched if that's the choice.

why is it important to massclaim before you go?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Since i'm here,

I'm Casshern from Casshern Sins, VT

Joker, claim