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soup said:
You mostly hinted that you felt Vinyl. wasn't dead, and therefore you didn't think he was scum.PJB said:
Yet your actions hint that you're not really certain on yourself and that you voted him on a whim. I'm going to keep looking through to see if you ever clarified on this, or hell, even explained yourself.
!!????!!?!??PJB said:
Soup, you think there's an indy when we had a Night Kill last night? why does a hypothetical indy not kill the first two nights?
That was in the gutter because I'm an idiot. I'm just VT. I fakeclaimed trying to garner reactions as I do believe that there is an indy, I figured there would be no issue, and I could use it as an incentive to indy/scumhunt.
Inferno's suggestion about Nabe being indy at least holds water and I got something out of it. I don't think he ever came back to say anything agter.
We thought on this yesterday and we think that the following was the case:
Rake was scum. We know this for a fact. Nabe also mentioned that if he shot at rake and Rake didn't die, then he'd be proven untargettable. Nabe scum faking a shot at a slot he knew was untargettable to try and clear his scumbuddy explains the gambit imo.
pretty much this. I think we're dealing with a traitor, and I think I know who it is form the D2/3 interactions around the lynches, but I'd rather lay it out in one big case then give it away before I get the facts of it together.
I don't know. Why would an Indy start killing now? It doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like the Indy is more-so a survivor role if anything.
That part makes sense, but do you agree with me that Nabe's incentive was to get unvotes and try to not get lynched that day?
even if we do have a survivor, It would still benefit us to get the one NK'ing out of the way before we go indy hunting.
He can do one and the other simultaneously, as faking the shot would require him to be alive.
I understand that, I'm just saying it's not impossible you were both seeking different people. It's fine.
I'm ready to vote him: Now's as good a time as ever to tell you Orbo's new working theory was that Soup was a mafia traitor. We ran through the numbers on the assumption that it would be a relatively balanced setup to have 3 mafia + a traitor here when you take the following into consideration:
First off, Soup had been harassing Nabe all D2. right here when we get to the end of the day though, he tries to back off of Nabe saying "let me get a read on you". Then Nabe's claim happens.
Soup blatantly claims that he doesn't want Nabe lynched here, even if he's mafia. At this point it's still generally assumed Vinyl was mafia, so this would be the last Mafiat remaining. He says that the claim doesn't help mafia nabe even though it's designed to get votes off of him.
Now soup flips to a townread on Nabe, when he's been scumreading him all day? Seems suspicious imo.
"If nabe's role is fake" is why mafia would know it's safe to vote ihm, and I already explained why Rake and Nabe had it set up for Rake to vote Nabe. As dietz pointed out on D2, Mafia would vote townnabe just to get rid of the claimed vig.
Now soup is saying that Nabe's not on his lynchlist, and his play is the reason? His play was the very reason soup had been voting him up to now, and was why he was eventually lynched.
And gangsta is his lynch pick now? Easy segue to a popular pick.
Now soup has missed things, but he's still not voting Nabe so apparently it didn't change his opinion that much.
Soup just spouting out random things about how Mafia wouldn't RB a claimed vig. This makes the assumption of nabetown that was almost impossible to wrap your head around at that point in time.
Now here we get to soup and Rake. Rake, as you recall, was seen visiting a dead body when he claimed a NA immune townie. What on earth could make Rake visit someone?
Bus driver wouldn't be able to target rake. redirect wouldn't make him visit anyone. Vanz and FF both pointed this out. yet
"We only lynch Rake because he's nto lying, but there's something framing him"
Now soup is an FBI agent. with 4 actions in three nights. He's saying Vanz could be mafia, but his Nabe interactions make that extremely unlikely imo. There's a NK, but we have an indy?
assuming soup was right and there was an indy, we'd be at 4v1v1. NL leads to 3v1v1 or 4v1. mylo. not the best of situations AND we're down either Vanz or myself. not ideal.
Wait a minute: I forgot BSP turned into Rake...... *slams head against desk*
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