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The claim made sense from a perspective of Nabe's play. I don't think there's much else to say about the rest because you go on about it through this post.

Soup blatantly claims that he doesn't want Nabe lynched here, even if he's mafia. At this point it's still generally assumed Vinyl was mafia, so this would be the last Mafiat remaining. He says that the claim doesn't help mafia nabe even though it's designed to get votes off of him.

I had a theory that I'm actually using right now to push PJB. Nabe's claim was designed to get votes off of him, that much is true. It is, hoewver, meant to be believable. Scum would not vote Nabe for this reason, as it is a potential risk to get shot. Do you notice how PJB unvotes Nabe right after his claim? This is what I'm talking about. Scum wouldn't have voted Nabe that day, and guess what? Rake is the only confirmed flipped scum that happened to vote him, but we already talked about this.

Now soup flips to a townread on Nabe, when he's been scumreading him all day? Seems suspicious imo.

I believed him, yeah. I wanted to trust Nabe because I didn't really dislike MiR either from D1, he did nothing damnable and it was believable. I can be wrong, I hold no fault.

The way he went about the post BW modkill wasn't damnable?

But the claimed vigilante aspect was that he could vote anyone on a mislynch or whatever. Why would scum risk voting Nabe there, to get shot? It was a really gutsy claim and when you claim a gun, usually you do it for a reason. I wouldn't think scum would try and test him, and obviously the whole point was to get votes off him anyways. Scum wasn't looking to get rid of Nabe that day. Am I correct in my assumption?

This bolded is void because Mafia would know Nabe didn't really have a gun! The claim was for scumnabe to survive longer, so yes I agree they didn't want to get rid of him.

His play was nullified after the claim. Look at my reasoning and look at my struggle. If anything, I was insulted. I ****ed up and believed such a ludicrous role, but I'm past that and frankly I can't give you a whole paragraph about this.

A claim doesn't nullify playing scummy. You know that better than others.

You forget that I was pushing Gangsta earlier on and disliked them even before. You forget that this is still true. They have been on my backburner for a long time, and all you would need to do is re-read if you don't believe me. I made myself pretty clear.

Gangsta's an easy lynch and easy to scumread. He's raised better points today and the way he and rake interacted doesn't suggest he's scum.

Actually, Rake didn't lie about his role. He was untargetable, and he flipped just that. Um...WATT...You saw him visit the dead body, right? Um....wow how did I miss this WATT how could you have seen that regardless if he was scum or not the dude was untargetable???

We didn't target Rake is the easy to come to answer. We targetted Clown and saw rake visit him. Spin things harder?

I lynched him and gritted my teeth due to the trust I had in you. Though I just found another roadblock in this...

He was the inevitable lynch. Not much else to do but lynch him.

 

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"I had a theory that I'm actually using right now to push PJB. Nabe's claim was designed to get votes off of him, that much is true. It is, hoewver, meant to be believable. Scum would not vote Nabe for this reason, as it is a potential risk to get shot. Do you notice how PJB unvotes Nabe right after his claim? This is what I'm talking about. Scum wouldn't have voted Nabe that day, and guess what? Rake is the only confirmed flipped scum that happened to vote him, but we already talked about this."

But WHY wouldn't they Soup. You believe there's an Indy left do you not? This rules out the notion that Nabe was Indy: It leaves it to reason then that mafia would definitely already know Nabe's claim was fake from the get go and there's 100% still no reason mafia would be "afraid of getting shot" by Nabe. The fact you're extending this out to incriminate PJB boggles my mind.

What WOULD make sense is for his fellow scummates to keep up pressure for awhile until he seemed properly scrutinized then fall off from him so he wasn't actually killed.... oh wait that's exactly what you did for Nabe didn't you?

 

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EBWOP: publicly declared you think there's an Indy left.

I highly doubt you actually do, especially if you're running Traitor on us

 

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But the claimed vigilante aspect was that he could vote anyone on a mislynch or whatever. Why would scum risk voting Nabe there, to get shot? It was a really gutsy claim and when you claim a gun, usually you do it for a reason. I wouldn't think scum would try and test him, and obviously the whole point was to get votes off him anyways. Scum wasn't looking to get rid of Nabe that day. Am I correct in my assumption?

You're playing with logical contradictions Soup. Is Nabe Indy or is there an Indy left?: pick one.

Vote: Soup

There's no way in hell there's a 3 man mafia team and 2 Indies in a 14 man.

 

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Kary where's your head at?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

why did you shoot FF over soup?

 

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Actually, Rake didn't lie about his role. He was untargetable, and he flipped just that. Um...WATT...You saw him visit the dead body, right? Um....wow how did I miss this WATT how could you have seen that regardless if he was scum or not the dude was untargetable???

We watched Clown's body, not Rake. I like that you're testing the waters on bringing this back around to us though: it gives me enough confidence to call down to everyone else to vote you too. We've gone wall to wall before in the past Soup: you don't win.

 

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we assumed we were dealing with an Indy until we saw the NK today. I reread, saw the soup connections. Pieced it together from there.
dietz ninja'd me because i have to wait 21 seconds to post

 

[#HBC | Kary]

or,

where does this Soup push come from? when did you start having doubts about Soup?

 

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why did you shoot FF over soup?

We thought we were still dealing with a sole Indy remaining, FF seemed like the choice if anyone was going to be. After there was a night kill along with our vig this morning it became clear there was still mafia left instead: after that we had to re-evaluate and Soup became a traitor suspect after theorizing on what the setup might be.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you were just toDay saying that of people who might've bussed BW, Soup pushed more things and was more townie than PJB. do you still stand by that?

 

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That was prior to rereading. Inferno's point on the PJB/Nabe disconnect helped us in that regard

 

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Hell no not after Orbo fleshed out his case and explained it to me lol. Being better than PJB on BW does not excuse his reactions to both Nabe and Rake when put in traitor suspect light.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I think clearing PJB on the grounds of Nabe claiming a shot on him is dumb, but there you go.

Do you genuinely think Soup v Badwolf would've got as heated as it did, if Soup knew BW was scum?

 

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I think it could have, especially on badwolf's end.

 

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Soup gets heated very easily. Badwolf is a newer player and also gets frustrated very easily (as shown by his ragequit). It's quite possible: but I admit this head of the hydra has not re-read it yet.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Back. I'm not here to fight with you.

 

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So you're here to?...

 

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Soup do you still believe there is an Indy left?

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[#HBC | ѕoup]

We didn't target Rake is the easy to come to answer. We targetted Clown and saw rake visit him. Spin things harder?

This game has been long as hell. I wasn't trying to spin anything. I don't understand the sudden offense. We were having a simple conversation and suddenly you're gun-ho on me. I don't have anything to hide, so we'll talk as long as you please.

This bolded is void because Mafia would know Nabe didn't really have a gun! The claim was for scumnabe to survive longer, so yes I agree they didn't want to get rid of him.

That's what I'm saying? So...did you tell me what you think of my theory yet? I'd rather focus on that.

But WHY wouldn't they Soup. You believe there's an Indy left do you not? This rules out the notion that Nabe was Indy: It leaves it to reason then that mafia would definitely already know Nabe's claim was fake from the get go and there's 100% still no reason mafia would be "afraid of getting shot" by Nabe. The fact you're extending this out to incriminate PJB boggles my mind.

What WOULD make sense is for his fellow scummates to keep up pressure for awhile until he seemed properly scrutinized then fall off from him so he wasn't actually killed.... oh wait that's exactly what you did for Nabe didn't you?

I don't know. I was leaning towards your theory earlier on, because I couldn't wrap my head around why Nabe would abduct/jan himself as Indy, or why a partner would for that matter. Nabe was lying the moment a shot didn't go off. I'm not going to comment on this, as I could tell you until I'm blue in the face what I did. It's not hard to discern that I defended Nabe, and I believed him. I gave my reasoning, is there more you would like to know?

Continued on, putting this into bits and pieces.

 

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This game has been long as hell. I wasn't trying to spin anything. I don't understand the sudden offense. We were having a simple conversation and suddenly you're gun-ho on me. I don't have anything to hide, so we'll talk as long as you please.

The gungho is me thinking I'm right on you being scum. Nothing personal sir.

That's what I'm saying? So...did you tell me what you think of my theory yet? I'd rather focus on that.

I'd have to reread it tbh.

I don't know. I was leaning towards your theory earlier on, because I couldn't wrap my head around why Nabe would abduct/jan himself as Indy, or why a partner would for that matter. Nabe was lying the moment a shot didn't go off. I'm not going to comment on this, as I could tell you until I'm blue in the face what I did. It's not hard to discern that I defended Nabe, and I believed him. I gave my reasoning, is there more you would like to know?

Continued on, putting this into bits and pieces.

Not on this particularly. The other head may

 

[#HBC | Kary]

bah humbug

you realize mafia traitors often don't have a night kill?

what ability did you draw toDay?


i'm going to sit on my hands and wait for vanz. i have my reads, for now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're playing with logical contradictions Soup. Is Nabe Indy or is there an Indy left?: pick one.

Vote: Soup

There's no way in hell there's a 3 man mafia team and 2 Indies in a 14 man.

I don't think I ever insinuated that Nabe was indy, at all. I've been arguing against that if anything. Looking back at my PJB theory kind of makes it a bit messy. I was thinking on impulse there and I think I'm pretty calm right now. I'll probably go read into it more once you're done pressuring me. I still hold true that PJB unvoting Nabe when he did and going along with the claim was fishy, and he doesn't really ever talk about it anymore.

@WATT Don't apologize. I'm talking from a game perspective either way.

 

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I don't think I ever insinuated that Nabe was indy, at all. I've been arguing against that if anything. Looking back at my PJB theory kind of makes it a bit messy. I was thinking on impulse there and I think I'm pretty calm right now. I'll probably go read into it more once you're done pressuring me. I still hold true that PJB unvoting Nabe when he did and going along with the claim was fishy, and he doesn't really ever talk about it anymore.

@WATT Don't apologize. I'm talking from a game perspective either way.

Do you, or do you not: currently think there is an Indy left in the game?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not sure....

 

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bah humbug

you realize mafia traitors often don't have a night kill?

what ability did you draw toDay?


i'm going to sit on my hands and wait for vanz. i have my reads, for now.

The traitor in Ryker mafia inherited the NK once the scumteam died. It's not unprecendented.
we're a commuter tonight.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

what card did you draw?

 

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I dunno that we can say, it might be classified as mod communication.

 

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I'll pm ruy about it though

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ahahahaahhahaaaaahahahahahaaaa

good one

 

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I'm dead serious.

 

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I'm not sure....

Then why did you say you were before when you "claimed"?

There is an independent and scum within those three. I know Kary and Vandy could very well be scum but there is an independent out there.

How could Nabe be Mafia with PJB and PJB be afraid of his "shot"? Why are you pushing PJB based on this awful point right now?


You say Nabe was for sure scum: but if he's Indy there's no Indy left: and if he's Mafia he could have never made PJB "afraid".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfFbxIHBdjo


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[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm trying to wrap my head around that damn abduction/jan thing. Your theory made a lot of sense in my head, and I want to believe that it's true. I had it in my head that the janitor/abduction had a reason. My problem resided with the fact that it's just pointless. Nabe was confirmed mafia when a shot went off, so why even bother? I don't understand the play at all. That was my original thought about an indy of sorts, because that play from Mafia doesn't make much sense.

I don't really think an Indy would suddenly just start killing either, so that doesn't make sense either. I'm more certain on the aspect of there being one mafia, and lynching that mafia is more priority than an Indy. If you need to hear it from me just so you can stop worrying about it: I don't think Nabe was Indy. I think Nabe was scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: When a shot didn't go off

 

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There is an independent and scum within those three. I know Kary and Vandy could very well be scum but there is an independent out there.

Hang him high. We found our last scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

....What? Did you get to the part where that was a fakeclaim? Did you get to the part where I said why I did that?

...What?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

this game is ridiculous.

 

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Welcome to watt's world

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you're the indy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My plan was pretty simple. I was pretty upset with how the day was going, so to generate controversy and reactions, I fakeclaimed. I haven't done it in a long time but I felt safe with my current position. I know I've been looked down upon for doing it, but it merits credible results if done right. PJB can tell you what I did in Newbie 20. Perhaps part of it is because I wanted thread control as I'm twiddling my thumbs in this game already. I didn't figure scum would kill me over WATT, seeing how he is more of a threat against them.

Two of my picks right now are Inferno and PJB. Do you notice how PJB was unchecked, along with Inferno? I was going to claim tommorow with a result on one of them, to see how they react to another. I know PJB is against Kary also, so claiming that he wasn't Indy could show me how he would handle that result. Perhaps I should have claimed something stronger to make impact, but I didn't want to completely incriminate myself.

Talking about this is completely moot however and the only thing I'm upset about is the fact I screwed it up before I could even do anything. I'm honestly a bit more surprised as to how PJB reacted, he didn't even bat an eyelash to the fact I cleared Kary as Indy. I'm also really surprised Inferno didn't really say anything either.

Here.

Then why did you say you were before when you "claimed"?




How could Nabe be Mafia with PJB and PJB be afraid of his "shot"? Why are you pushing PJB based on this awful point right now?


You say Nabe was for sure scum: but if he's Indy there's no Indy left: and if he's Mafia he could have never made PJB "afraid".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfFbxIHBdjo


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That was part of the fakeclaim. You realize that, right?