Toonami Mafia - Game Over - Daytime Programing wins!

[vanderzant]

Sidenote: I think Mafia Traitor's are terrible roles andcounter intuitive to basic Mafia ideals. In Ryker Mafia, Traitor Laundry was cleared by a butt load of players due to Soup/Xonar's legitimate reactions towards him. And it looks like the same thing happened with Badwolf/Soup, which is just really annoying.

Apart from Soup, I have to reconsider Pjb some a potential Traitor, because I have been giving that slot a lot of credit based on interactions from BW. But apart from that I don't remember anything alarming out of how Pjb handled Nabe/Rake lynches. At the very least I'll have to consider it though.

 

[vanderzant]

Sidenote 2:

But the claimed vigilante aspect was that he could vote anyone on a mislynch or whatever. Why would scum risk voting Nabe there, to get shot? It was a really gutsy claim and when you claim a gun, usually you do it for a reason. I wouldn't think scum would try and test him, and obviously the whole point was to get votes off him anyways. Scum wasn't looking to get rid of Nabe that day. Am I correct in my assumption?

The whole freaking point is that Nabe's scum buddies are not at all worried about being shot. They are free to either try and bus him or defend him, pjb unvoting is not telling at all to me.

And of course it was a play on Nabe's part to try and get votes off of him, but guess who was the most vocal about not lynching Nabe? Ding, Ding.

Actually, Rake didn't lie about his role. He was untargetable, and he flipped just that. Um...WATT...You saw him visit the dead body, right? Um....wow how did I miss this WATT how could you have seen that regardless if he was scum or not the dude was untargetable???

What in the actual...

Soup is just trying to throw FUD onto WATTs slot at this stage. WATT freaking GAVE us a Mafia lynch on a silver platter, and Soup's actually considering that because Rake claimed he was immune/untargettable, that WATTs results couldn't have been possible? What in the actual **** indeed.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. Soup - [2] - Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra), Vanderzant,
2. Kary - [0] -
3. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra) - [0] -
4. PrivateJoker-Brown - [1] - Soup
5. Vanderzant - [0] -
6. Inferno3044 - [0] -

Not Voting [3] Kary, Inferno3044, PrivateJoker-Brown,

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is at January 21st 11:59 CST.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

would you mind elaborating on what you like about WATT's theory?
for instance, how well does it fit with your read on soup?

I like that WATT is considering soup, despite his convincing D1 performance. I admit, I haven't been looking too closely at soup all game because of it. The idea that soup is a traitor explains how he could have interacted with BW the way he did, and receive such genuine reactions. It explains why he so very strongly opposed to the Nabe lynch, he even had me going with that one. It also explains why he made that fake claim, then pretended it was made up when we caught him for fudging it up. Like Vand already said, why would a townie lie about their role? For a gambit? Why would you gambit like that for reactions on Day 4? Not buying it.

And maybe this is a little OMGUS (tho not really), but soup's case on me is bullcrap. I honestly don't know why he'd be so desperate to make a reach like this just to get his next mislynch, but it seems pretty reachy.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

soup's suggesting a no lynch? He can go, man. Nobody ever suggests a No Lynch without some ulterior motive. Especially when we don't have a Cop role.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Vote: soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not traitor. Kind of disappointing that I show the incentive to progress the day and it gets back on my face. You're right, let me sit on my hands all day and do nothing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Literally PJB goes 'ur case sucks i didnt read or explain myself but i think you're scum now only scum pushes me'

about to get lynched for this lmao

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vandy, you're not slow. I wasn't trying to do FUD. I got mixed up and it's been a long game. Bringing a point to that when he corrected me and I accepted that is moot.

PJB, respond to me. Look at what I have on you, because your little small paragraph isn't enough. I'm seriously disappointed right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup's suggesting a no lynch? He can go, man. Nobody ever suggests a No Lynch without some ulterior motive. Especially when we don't have a Cop role.

6 players
ml
nk
4 players (mylo)

6 players
nl
nk

5 players (ml)

Have scum play out who dies, and go from there. WATT is commuting today so he isn't going to get shot. When was suggesting NL in a situation like this a bad thing? Ridiculous.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I like that WATT is considering soup, despite his convincing D1 performance. I admit, I haven't been looking too closely at soup all game because of it. The idea that soup is a traitor explains how he could have interacted with BW the way he did, and receive such genuine reactions. It explains why he so very strongly opposed to the Nabe lynch, he even had me going with that one. It also explains why he made that fake claim, then pretended it was made up when we caught him for fudging it up. Like Vand already said, why would a townie lie about their role? For a gambit? Why would you gambit like that for reactions on Day 4? Not buying it.

And maybe this is a little OMGUS (tho not really), but soup's case on me is bullcrap. I honestly don't know why he'd be so desperate to make a reach like this just to get his next mislynch, but it seems pretty reachy.

You realize that I have been considered town all game and I could have just simply coasted my way to lylo if i really wanted to (and here's the kicker i didn't because i'm not!) and i want things done? What about you? What have you done?

I literally threw up when people starting agreeing about me being traitor. A traitor can kill now? Really? I bussed BW? Really? BW let himself die, hell, the whole scum-team have let themselves died. BW did nothing. All I did was notice this obvious fact. He fought me on everything and he refused to answer simple questions. He got angry with me and OMGUSed me openly. It doesn't take a Mafia Expert to pin BW as scum. I was wrong on Nabe. That much is standard. How is incriminating? I defended him? I had reason andit's plainly explained if you look back. I know none of you will do this because you want an easy way out. You're going to take this ML, shrug, and then ML again because you refuse to get down and do any work.

Vandy, I'm fully responding to you very soon.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

well this is a turn up for the books

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You only have to ISO soup on Day 2/3 and you'll see how weird his changes in direction are based on what Town knew at the time. He's seemingly ok with both Rake/Nabe dieing at different stages of Day 2, yet as soon as these slots looked like a chance of being lynched, Soup's focus suddenly shifts onto Gangsta. He was so incredibly vocal about both these plays.

(Pro-tip: I wanted Gangsta on D1 too.)

I'm serious. Don't believe me? Okay, let me go get quotes.

I honestly want to vote Gangstalicious.

Post #772. Day One. Same time BW was getting **** on.

You want to read on from there? The dislike is obvious, and it upsets me I have to go quote something that I felt I made plainly clear. I even gave BW a goddamn chance. I was so sick of him not doing anything and I felt like nothing was getting done. I took initiative and tried pursuing other things.

I'm not going to explain the rest, the point is that what you say is false.

The most telling thing to me however is that Soup is still clinging to the idea of an indy being alive.

There is not a SINGLE piece of evidence that suggests an indy. Nothing. At. All.

He wants to entertain the idea that BW/Rake/Nabe are all Mafia, while simultaneously suggesting that we have ANOTHER mafia and indy alive.

There has been two abductions/janitors this game. Is it wrong for me to assume that it's the work of an indy? I didn't even believe it before, and I don't now, but I wasn't sure how to think about it. WATT's theory made sense for Nabe, and oh my god I have talked myself to death about the fact Nabe's janitor/abduction was inherently useless because he was confirmed scum. There's one mafia alive. Someone died last night. An indy just doesn't decide to go ahead and kill people randomly. You're turning base logic into something twisted.

I can't accept that SoupTown would believe this to be true, and coupled with how against the Nabe/Rake lynches he was, despite being ok with both these players dieing at various other stages of the game, I'm pretty sure he's going to get my vote toDay.

I also don't buy the "fakeclaim for reactions" business. There's 2000 posts of information. If he truly wanted to cement his read on Pjb, he only has to go back and look at his interactions with every freaking mafia member we've lynched. Day 4 is NOT the time to try and "spark" up discussion based on ****ty reaction gambits. His case on Pjb is bad in itself.

Adding to this, look how deep he was in his "fake claim"

The intention was true and I ****ed it up because I'm an idiot. I have fakeclaimed before, and I will do it as I see fit. You wouldn't have cared had I not accidently messed up, hell, you probably would have believed me. Is this not true? I'm doing what I feel I have to do in order to win this game. The talk about 'oh he coulda looked back' OH **** VANDY LOOK AT THOSE POSTS I MADE ON PJB AND ALL THAT EFFORT I MADE INTO LOOKING BACK ****

you guys literally lynch me on the dumbest **** so tired of this

MOVING ON

 

[#HBC | Kary]

hell I might just leave it here and see if Inferno wants to hammer

pretty sure he will, given he actually had Soup as a scumread

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He's already talking about how the rest of the game is going to play out based on his claim. If this is designed to reaction test Pjb/Inferno, then he's going about in incredibly poorly, which I don't buy. You don't reaction test people over multiple days. You don't claim in LYLO "Hey guys I lied about my claim yesterday I'm actually just a VT, isn't it great?"

PJB thought(?) Kary was mafia. I cleared Kary as Indy. That would have been fruitful to see how PJB reacted. It would have generated discussion. I could ask questions like "Since kary isn't indy, do you think he's just mafia?" and go from there. Scum is on it's last member. They're going to scramble and try to survive.

LYLO? You think it's LYLO? Did I read that right?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

lol inferno will hammer me dw about it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

PJB, your response doesn't do jack for me, nor does it try to refute my points. It's **** and you didn't even look.

I don't want to look at this game right now.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

so I take it you're giving up, soup?

want to tell me who's scum on your waggon?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not giving up. I said what needs to be said.

PJB. The guy I'm voting. He won't unvote, but maybe I can get Vandy/WATT to do so. All I can do is sit and wait.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

and I take it he's got to be traitor from the way he bussed BW?

is Gangsta scum as well?

 

[Detective Prince.]

Traitor? No, just regular scum.

Inferno? I don't know, it really depends if I'm wrong on PJB. I have it down to those two.

Posting on my hydra, sorry mod.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

and if you have it down to those two,

why in the hell would you be talking about a no lynch?

 

[Detective Prince.]

6 players
ml
nk
4 players (mylo)

6 players
nl
nk

5 players (ml)

Have scum play out who dies, and go from there. WATT is commuting today so he isn't going to get shot. When was suggesting NL in a situation like this a bad thing? Ridiculous.

aaaaaaaaaa sorry mod

 

[#HBC | Kary]

How does that help you??

You have it down to two players!!!

 

[#HBC | Kary]

maybe it doesn't hurt you

but how does it help?

 

[Detective Prince.]

You have a point...I suppose Vandy would likely get shot if anything.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

tell me what made you think that NL was a good idea; what does it give you?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Soup you're dead in the water unless you have a good answer here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It pertained to the claim mostly, but also because we'd have a ML tommorow. I suppose on a huge scale, it doesn't really matter.

That's the jist of it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Crying out loud

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vote: vanderzant

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I don't understand how I have 3 players, none of whom wanted soup at the start of the Day, all voting soup.

and I don't understand why scum soup would be shooting himself in the foot by doing things like suggesting a ****ing NL when he could just roll on gangsta. hell i don't even understand why scum soup would push out a case on PJB toDay

and all of this is on the premise that there's a traitor! did I miss something? how the **** do we know that there's a traitor? 'oh well 4 maf and hiding flips would be overpowered' yeah, and you've never played a setup that wasn't perfectly balanced, right?

gorf freaking damnit

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vote: Inferno

this is where I want to see votes

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Unvote I don't want soup at L1 for the entire dayphase.
Kary why the Vanz vote?
Ruy's a good mod. He doesn't make setups that are janky and can be lostujst form, numbers right out the gate.
4 mafia and the game looks like:
4v10
ml/nk
4v8
ml/nk
4v6 lylo on Day 3! That's just not going to happen. There's not an indy because there was a NK last night.
There's not a separate faction that suddenly has a kill unless it's something like catherine's way of handling NKs. incredibly unlikely.
That leaves a traitor which inherited the kill. It's the most likely situation. It's not Vanz. I doubt it's PJB. I know it's not me, and I don't think it;s you. That leaves soup, and it makes the most goddamn sense out of anything I can think of.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

LYLO? You think it's LYLO? Did I read that right?

We're in mylo now I think.
5v1.
mislynch/NK
3v1 lylo.
Tomorrow would be lylo, which is what Vanz is talking about when he refered to Lylo.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

It pertained to the claim mostly, but also because we'd have a ML tommorow. I suppose on a huge scale, it doesn't really matter.

That's the jist of it.

5v1
nL
NK
4v1
OK, but then we're down Vanz. Who's basically the closest thing to a clear we've got.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

soup, I literally don't understand what's left of your case on me. What do you want answers to? Cuz all I see is weak reasoning that I refuted already. If I missed something, and you actually want an answer to it, then help me out here. I'll happily answer whatever, I just legitimately don't know wtf you're talking about.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Private, tell me what you think of kary.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

#2157, #2163, and #2166, PJB.

Forget about the 'dead scummer' point because WATT corrected me on that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Unvote I don't want soup at L1 for the entire dayphase.
Kary why the Vanz vote?
Ruy's a good mod. He doesn't make setups that are janky and can be lostujst form, numbers right out the gate.
4 mafia and the game looks like:
4v10
ml/nk
4v8
ml/nk
4v6 lylo on Day 3! That's just not going to happen. There's not an indy because there was a NK last night.
There's not a separate faction that suddenly has a kill unless it's something like catherine's way of handling NKs. incredibly unlikely.
That leaves a traitor which inherited the kill. It's the most likely situation. It's not Vanz. I doubt it's PJB. I know it's not me, and I don't think it;s you. That leaves soup, and it makes the most goddamn sense out of anything I can think of.

Why do you have it in your head that traitor would inherit the kill after all scum is dead?

D1: 10v4
ml
9v4
nk
D2: 7v4
ml
6v4
nk
D3: 5v4 (lylo)

That's three phases...and even then, doesn't a traitor count towards the faction majority?