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#HBC | Red Ryu

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1. Rake - [0] -
2. Soup - [0] -
3. Kary - [0] -
4. FrozenFlame751 - [1] - Rajam,
5. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra) - [1] - Inferno3044,
6. PrivateJoker-Brown - [0] -
7. Rajam - [2] - Vanderzant, PrivateJoker-Brown,
8. Vanderzant - [0] -
9. Inferno3044 - [2] - Rake, Soup,

Not Voting [3] Kary, FrozenFlame751, Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra),

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at Janurasy 11th 11:59 CST.
 

#HBC | Kary

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btw, I can promise you that I am not bulletproof, so Nabe must've been either lying, or he couldn't kill me because of something to do with Vinyl having not flipped.
wow this wording does nothing for me. you promise? derp.

Assuming Nabe is mafia, I think WATT is the remaining scum.
You think there's 3 scum only?

I can full claim as well if you guys want.
hmmm.

Kary tell me your reads
from most to least:

TOWN/Soup/Gangsta/Vanz/Rake/WATT/ NULL/Rajam/Kevin/PJB/SCUM

not sure that all my scum are in the last 3, though. Got to think about some slots.

But you can't be anywhere NEAR as salty as I am or Orbo is going to be... You'll know if we see merit in claiming. I'm trying to decide if the info I have is worth telling people or just pointless and won't actually help. I think it depends what I hear from RR and Orbo toDay.
why softclaim WHY. Make the decision, then do/don't. Grrr.

speaking of which. Rajam's earlier softclaim. Hmm.

I don't know man. If we'd just hardbodied Rajam like Clownbot wanted, not only would we have Nabe's flip and role name but we'd also be rid of Rajam completely.I actually wish I'd considered the idea of a delayed flip because Clown's role makes PERFECT sense from a design perspective to give Town extra information. GOSH DARN IT :mad:
or we might have to wait a day for both flips, but i see where you're coming from.

Also Rajam may be town.

I am kinda ok with a 'liability' lynch here, but I want to push the pool as Rajam/Kevin-Frozen/PJB (or worse comes to worse, Gangsta), because I don't think frozen/PJB have been getting enough heat.

(about PJB...) This sort of shows he's thinking about who he wants to lynch rather than playing around the two current wagons, which I like.
but he wouldn't want to be seen to say 'anyone but Nabe!', so idk.

@Vanderzant: can you sum up your feelings on PJB for me please? thanks

Yo Rajam, you mafia?
i'm

i'm not sure i'm reading this.

Reads so far:Gangsta


Gangsta as null? Could you please expand on this read for me?

Gonna need a better explanation than that bro.
come now, it's not a pissing contest. we can all see there's no reasoning with the vote. why are you always so jumpy when a slot dislikes you?

Vote: PJB

@PJB: reads plz
 

#HBC | Joker

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@Kary, I've got a whole list of reads around this thread someplace, on everyone in the game. Nothing has changed. Everyone is still playing the exact same way they did when I posted that list. So, yea.
 

#HBC | Kary

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@Kary, I've got a whole list of reads around this thread someplace, on everyone in the game. Nothing has changed. Everyone is still playing the exact same way they did when I posted that list. So, yea.
Fair enough. I'll just make a note that Vinyl being town does nothing for your reads, and that your only scumread is Rajam. I'll file it under 'supsicious'.
 

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Kary, can you file Gangsta under "unhelpful"

and Rajam under "doing nothing to stave off his lynch"

thanks mate
 

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I'll trade you for whatever ti is your interested in currently, can't expect you to do it for nothing after all :D
 

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I also think you're town assuming mafiaNabe (I personally don't think leading lynches on indies proves anything alignment wise).
Can you explain this a bit more? WATT and Kary essentially lead the lynch on Nabe as well. Does this affect your read on them?

but he wouldn't want to be seen to say 'anyone but Nabe!', so idk.

@Vanderzant: can you sum up your feelings on PJB for me please? thanks
He isn't exactly impressing me with his insightfulness atm, and he isn't as aggressive & forward with his reads as he was on Day 1, but I can sympathise with him as I personally don't have many scum reads right now. Hence why I'm mostly ok with rolling inactive/unhelpful people. I also can't get passed the idea that his interactions with BW were legit.

And @ your first point, it still looks like he's thinking for himself, instead of just being reactive and sheepy (which is more than I can say about his previous scum play I've seen, no offence pjb).

I'm sort of waiting for frozen to catch up before I pass judgement on his slot, but I guess you could say he's at least lynch worthy. I find Kevin hard to read though, his play is so safe in the sense that he doesn't give away anything other than who he wants dead at the current time.

@Rake: when was the last time you expressed the reasoning for your Gangsta dislike, and could you show it again for the current phase? /long game is long.
 

Wots All This Then?

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@PJB: can you give us the reads list and vouch for it's current accuracy then?


@Everyone: Ok, this head of the hydra is pretty much working under the assumption that I want to claim toDay. Assuming the other head agrees: is everyone ok with us possibly putting our slot in the firing line?


@Inferno: I'd still like your claim for laughs, preferably before ours if we're going to.
 

#HBC | Joker

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Rake
Town
I got a town feel from BSP, and nothing Rake has done really irks me either. If he's not town, he's Indy, and that's pretty much only based on his role, which is technically a null tell. Truthfully, I doubt he'd even claim like that if he was Indy, so I'm still leaning pretty strongly at Town.

Soup
Town
Soup's D1 play simply reeked of his play from ME. He was mad as hell, and I doubt he'd have gotten that worked up if he was scum. Plus there's the fact that he spearheaded BW long before I came along. There's no way he's aligned with BW after all that.

Kary
Null
I keep going back and forth with this one. Originally I didn't like his push on WATT, but looking back over it, there's nothing really wrong with it. I also really disliked the way he opened the day with a vote on me, that never really got explained. Again, looking back over it, it just looks like Kary trying to reaction test me. Pretty much everything just looks like Kary being Kary. I don't really know what scumKary looks like, but this could definitely be townKary.

KevinM
Null/town
i'm really hesitant to lean one way or the other on this read, but so far in D2 I like Kev. I wish he was around more, so I could get a better feel for him.

Wots All This Then?
Town lean
As I've stated previously, I like this slot so far. A lot of our reads have matched up, and I don't see scum intent in their pushes. I initially agreed with their Kary push, but I currently disagree with the assertion that Kary is Indy. While it could possibly be the case, I don't really see anything that supports that.

Rajam
Null/scum
He hasn't posted very much, and his few contributions have been so lackluster. Add to that, the fact that his doublevoting of Kev has been disgusting. He said his doublevote would be conditional, but Kev has clearly not met those conditions, as he himself pointed out, yet Rajam happily just happily continues appeasing Kev. If he's just being lazytown... this is an awful way to go about it.

Vanderzant
Town lean
I like what he's done since he entered the game. Don't really have much else to say about him. Not scummy.

Nabe
Scum lean
I wasn't thrilled with what I saw from RF, and I'm not thrilled with Nabe eiher. He claimed to want BSP at the begining of the day, and that he'd give us an ISO on him. Didn't deliver. His recent vote on WATT with no explanation doesn't really make sense to me either.

Gangstalicious
Null/town
Maybe I'm a sucker, but I bought Inferno's AtE. To tell the truth, I never had much of a scumread on them in the first place. I don't think their D1 play of disregarding both wagons was particularly "safe" or "gutsy". It just read like thety didn't like either wagon. Being wrong about BW is null, not scummy.

Clownbot
Town
Jeoy's claim is pretty solidly town, imo. Assuming Clownbot delivers on that claim, he'll be confirmed as far as I'm concerned. Jeoy's play itself was pretty townie too.
I may do a reread of the last day to see if these require amending. The only one that bothers me is Kary still being a Null. I feel like I wanna change that to a town lean, but I'd have to read some stuff to be totally comfortable with that.
 

Wots All This Then?

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OK.

So we're definitely claiming now. 100% not a question anymore. Part of me wants to wait a little to hear one last "Yes, really" from RR, but this bears claiming now rather than later (and I think he just logged off).


We're Seto Kaiba in Yugioh GX, Toonami Gambler. I don't care that he's only the principle or something in GX: look me in the eyes and tell me you wouldn't have picked Kaiba if given the choice lol... anyways.

Lolcrumbs:
Now we booth know that's patently untrue, no matter which head of yer hydra is speaking. What's yer game? And don't think you can get away from me just because 'yer a fit bird who can flutter her baby blue eyes at a bloke. I'll 'ave you in Scotland Yard like a bomb if you try anythin' dodgey.
Anyways: I showed you mine, how about yours Jeoy Wheeler? Where do you see this game going so far from your eye in the sky?

Every day phase we get a set of Yugioh cards to choose from, and based on which one we pick that day we get a one shot ability that following night phase. Here's how it's gone down so far:

D1 we drew and got one shot Doc. (reason I thought there wouldn't be another straight up doc and leaving people out in the open would be questionable... that ended up being true, but for the wrong reasons (sorry Vinyl))
N1 we docced Joey and were then told "Your action failed." (Assumed roleblocker since neither Joey or Clownbot hinted at being untargetable as BSP/Rake claimed. Why we pushed so hard for Nabe to just go despite Soup's complaints since we knew it would get hairier than it was worth)

D2 we drew and got one shot Watcher. (hell yes)
N2 we watched Clownbot and were then told "No one visited Clownbot." (I mean... he died so)

I was flabbergasted, I asked RR if he was sure: he said yes.

Me and Orbo started to speculate that mafia team was Roleblocker/Ninja/Neighborizer combo based on this info, which seemed to be a reasonable team to have balance wise. We started an internal diolouge on the merits of claiming just for this info and weren't sure it was justified, though outing a ninja and roleblocker (more than I had already heavily hinted) seemed like a good thing to put out there even if we didn't put our claim behind it. We decided we'd figure it out once we knew what our ability was for the night, so we picked a card.

ToDay we drew one shot Vig. (YESSSSSSSS. Perfect for clearing out the inactives)

Then today RR said he made a mistake... (****?). Now we've been told that actually: Rake visited Clownbot. Well that's obviously impossible since he claims his role is NA immune and doesn't visit people, so he couldn't have been taken there by outside forces and he certainly didn't float on over to Clownbot during the night for a good time unless he's got hidden parts of his role. There's an outside chance someone planted evidence or some bull**** role like that but that hardly seems fair or pointful, especially if there's just a Gambler with these abilities... Sooooo: Rake you have some explaining and probably dying to do.

Vote: Rake


Anyways you can see why I'm wholly not sure on this scenario: I mean I got told that no one visited Clownbot (super salty mode activate), and then it got reversed. I don't want to play the meta-meta game too hard but part of me wonders WHY RR had to do a double take on that one.

We also need to figure out who we're vigging tonight. Before I'd have said we lynch Rajam and vig FrozenFlame: but now it's pretty clear Rake is one of those. I don't know if we should put stock in the fact BSP thought to say he was NA immune and might be bulletproof in some way, but if we don't vig him we'll have to suffer through that no-flip period... Actually it's kind of a moot point since we can't risk a roleblocker still being alive (though in a perfect world that'd have been Nabe).


So I think: We should lynch Rake, and decide who we should vig if we can toNight (and if that vig choice changes if Nabe comes back as Town/Indy/Mafia)
 

#HBC | Joker

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The frack?

I... might be down for that. If Rake eats the rope, and Rajam eats a bullet, we'll just have to wait another day to find out if WATT is telling the truth or not. Even if Nabe flips town somehow, and WATT were scum with a buddy trying to pull some gambit, he'd be getting caught too early for it to be a reasonable play, and he'd be leaving his lone buddy out to dry.

The only hiccup is a possible Indy still being around, but honestly, we've still got the numbers, and a dead scummer, to not be too concerned with ending up in lylo very soon. The Indy isn't killing people, and if WATT is lying, he won't be killing anyone either cuz he'll "be roleblocked" again. So we've still only got the mafia NK to be concerned with.
 

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It's kind of impossible i went anywhere lol.

I can neither explain your results, nor am i one to take you at your word that Ryu magically decided to reverse them.

No offence.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Doesn't that sound like a Mod error more than a confirmation? I don't know why Ryu switched but I'm doubting you doing this claim as scum right now.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Rajam needs to post, or be replaced. Inferno, give a more solid case on WATT and perhaps tell me how you feel about his claim.
 

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I can't explain it lol, i don't know what you expect to hear from me; Either someone messed with your results; You made them up(which would be pointless) ; or it's mod error, plus it doesn't even sound like Ryu confirmed this sudden swap of results. I mean: you even said he said he was sure no one visited.

So :/
 

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Doesn't that sound like a Mod error more than a confirmation? I don't know why Ryu switched but I'm doubting you doing this claim as scum right now.
I can't explain it lol, i don't know what you expect to hear from me; Either someone messed with your results; You made them up(which would be pointless) ; or it's mod error, plus it doesn't even sound like Ryu confirmed this sudden swap of results. I mean: you even said he said he was sure no one visited.

So :/
He did say that he made a mod error when reporting the initial results. I think that it's for sure this time though.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Um, I know you're not allowed to talk about timeframes and etc., but did you receive these before or after the night ended?
 

#HBC | Kary

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lol oh lol

even more insane claims. right.

analysis time go:

instinct says, WATT's claim is verifiable, they have a shot. We don't do what they say just yet, we let them prove their role. Oh wait, WATT's results more or less confirm a roleblocker, which makes his role impossible to prove in this scenario. Oh dear.

Kicker: WATT claims to have been roleblocked N1, and not N2. The only person I remember claiming in the intermediary is Clownbot, who obviously died. This leaves the question of why WATT wasn't roleblocked N2. I find this to be very interesting.

Let's not pad this discussion with waffle about a potential mod error. Let's also remember it is theoretically possible that Rake's role may have moved against his will, or is in fact misleading.

queue discussion:

WATT, how does the drawing of your Yugioh cards work? Please describe how you receive an ability.

It's kind of impossible i went anywhere lol.

I can neither explain your results, nor am i one to take you at your word that Ryu magically decided to reverse them.

No offence.
Rake said:
I can't explain it lol, i don't know what you expect to hear from me; Either someone messed with your results; You made them up(which would be pointless) ; or it's mod error, plus it doesn't even sound like Ryu confirmed this sudden swap of results. I mean: you even said he said he was sure no one visited.

So :/
Rake, I find this a kinda strange reaction. What do you think of WATT right now? Are they scum faking a guilty on you, or perhaps just a townie led astray? why would it be pointless for them to make up such a result?

PJB said:
The frack?

I... might be down for that. If Rake eats the rope, and Rajam eats a bullet, we'll just have to wait another day to find out if WATT is telling the truth or not. Even if Nabe flips town somehow, and WATT were scum with a buddy trying to pull some gambit, he'd be getting caught too early for it to be a reasonable play, and he'd be leaving his lone buddy out to dry.

The only hiccup is a possible Indy still being around, but honestly, we've still got the numbers, and a dead scummer, to not be too concerned with ending up in lylo very soon. The Indy isn't killing people, and if WATT is lying, he won't be killing anyone either cuz he'll "be roleblocked" again. So we've still only got the mafia NK to be concerned with.
please stop being so scummy.:mad:

important question:
what is your OPINION on these two players and what does this situation tell you?

I am not cool with you just sitting back and going 'hey maybe we get scum on a plate', and yet again making assumptions about scumflips/numbers.

FOR INSTANCE, say we lynch Rake toDay, and in two Days time, we get a scumflip. Does that clear WATT? Because at that point we could well be in Lylo.

related note:


This game is perfect for claiming guilties, or abilities like vigilantes, because there's some sort of delay in getting concrete information (flips). I would not be remotely surprised if scum try and exploit that!

/end Karytimes

reason for editing: I need to think about this.
 

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At work atm, so trying to not draw attention while posting.

The only possible explanation I can see for the mod error is I'd ruy thought that since rake can't be targetted by night actions, he shouldn't be seen killing clown... But then he realised this doesn't make sense and that he should be seen... Mod errors are icky though.

If there is a redirect or other tampered at play, surely ruy would have waited for their results before sending out WATTs

Considering that if WATT is the last mafia he has no reason to pull this play... And if he is he's as silly as nabe.

I'm pretty much ok with lynching Rake. His role sounded more like an Indy but hey mafia works too.

:phone:
 

#HBC | Kary

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don't assume it's NOT close to endgame. I can see it being Mylo tomorrow.

personally probably not going to read anything into claimed mod error
 

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How is my post scummy? What did I say in there that seems like scum trying to pull something? You want my opinion of these players? I'm pretty sure I've posted that reads list twice now. I've been operating under the assumption that they're both town. However, given the current claim situation, it seems likely (not guaranteed, but likely) that there's at least one scum between them. So what's the harm? Why shouldn't I be willing to let the situation play out, and find the likely scum? The scenario he lays out allows for my actual scumread, Rajam, to still die by bullet. Why should I, as town, not be open to this?
 

#HBC | Kary

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How is my post scummy? What did I say in there that seems like scum trying to pull something? You want my opinion of these players? I'm pretty sure I've posted that reads list twice now. I've been operating under the assumption that they're both town. However, given the current claim situation, it seems likely (not guaranteed, but likely) that there's at least one scum between them. So what's the harm? Why shouldn't I be willing to let the situation play out, and find the likely scum? The scenario he lays out allows for my actual scumread, Rajam, to still die by bullet. Why should I, as town, not be open to this?
DO NOT give me this 20 questions bull****. This is a further reason why you smell like scum to me. Let me try and explain.

WHY are you ok with one of your townreads dying at the other's say so? Or are you not ok with it, you're just watching what happens? In which case, why make a post saying 'I might be ok with it', and not actually question either of the players involved? Bottom line, what is your pro-town motivation for making the post that I called scummy?

Kary, are you saying you think there's a 4man mafia (with 3 still alive) + a possible Indy in a 14man setup?
There are probably not 5 scum. I think there could be 4 mafia with 3 still alive, I see no reason to rule it out. I am undecided as to whether there is an indy.
 

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Sure I'll claim. I'm mojo jojo from the Powerpuff Girls, VT. Does this change anything.

@Vand - I don't think you're town based on the wagon, but on interaction. Simply put, I don't think you're scum buds with him based on your interaction.

:phone:
 

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DO NOT give me this 20 questions bull****. This is a further reason why you smell like scum to me. Let me try and explain.

WHY are you ok with one of your townreads dying at the other's say so? Or are you not ok with it, you're just watching what happens? In which case, why make a post saying 'I might be ok with it', and not actually question either of the players involved? Bottom line, what is your pro-town motivation for making the post that I called scummy?



There are probably not 5 scum. I think there could be 4 mafia with 3 still alive, I see no reason to rule it out. I am undecided as to whether there is an indy.
I'm not, like super happy about it, but one of my townreads is claiming a guilty on the other one. I'm not above being wrong. The situation suggests that one of the 2 of my reads, in this case, is wrong. Allowing it to play out would help me figure out which one it is. Knowing which one is wrong, would help me find scum. What am i supposed to do, just ignore a GUILTY because "lol, no that's not possible, because I read you both as town, therefore this situation is illogical. Ignore.". I don't love it, but it happened.
 
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