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[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

wait, vandy, your list of lynches is in order of who you want most first , right ?

 

[Inferno3044]

So WATT I feel like it's safe to repeat myself on something I said yesterday: stop being revolved around speculation and play the game. Also Vinyl was town doc. This is why you don't assume ****. Also, due to Nabe's death, we now know that lynches are not revealed until the next day (very odd mechanic which sucks a lot). Also it's highly likely that Nabe is scum for obvious reasons stated. Still don't mind dying if you guys are really that uncomfortable with me. Unfortunately you can't see it until N4 begins but we are on a good track anyways. If somehow Nabe flips town, lynch PJB asap (though I doubt that it will happen).

I can full claim as well if you guys want.

 

[vanderzant]

No Rake it's not. Why do you ask?

I don't think WATT would push so stubbornly on his partner like that yesterday, he would rather side with my argument as it doesn't give him reason to try. Why do you think he's still possibly mafia, Vand?

Looking back, WATT took a stance on Nabe's claim before you did. And I don't think anyone actually sided with Nabe apart from yourself. For this reason I don't think it's telling either way, but I have to think about WATT some more.

@Inferno: Is there a reason J is not playing?

 

[vanderzant]

Also kinda salty about not getting to use Clownbot's hero lynch . I knew something like this would of happened

 

[vanderzant]

I can full claim as well if you guys want.

I'd prefer it if you gave us reads.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I kind of assumed it was on first read, i'm used to people going in order of who they want most when they do similar to what you did XD

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

So are we lynching Rajam based off the fact that he's been entirely useless ?

because to be bluntly honest i wouldn't mind trimming the fat, that being said, i still want Gangsta, i mean come on, "I'm still okay with dying , and i'm just going to sit on my hands"

He's being actively and purposely un-helpful whereas at least with Rajam he isn't posting flat out.

 

[Inferno3044]

Assuming Nabe is mafia, I think WATT is the remaining scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

9. Nabe - [6] - Wots All This Then?, Vanderzant, Clownbot, Kary, Rake, FrozenFlame751,

Is frozen's vote a reluctance to hammer a partner or just an apathetic townie? Who did he replace again?

Kary tell me your reads

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No Rake it's not. Why do you ask?



Looking back, WATT took a stance on Nabe's claim before you did. And I don't think anyone actually sided with Nabe apart from yourself. For this reason I don't think it's telling either way, but I have to think about WATT some more.

@Inferno: Is there a reason J is not playing?

I suppose if you look at it that way, but Nabe wasn't at fear of being lynched too much after his claim and the unvotes could have happened. WATT's chance would be right there and obviously players like Rajam/Gangsta weren't reluctant to vote him either. I'd like to think mafia voted Nabe yesterday, do you agree?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So WATT I feel like it's safe to repeat myself on something I said yesterday: stop being revolved around speculation and play the game. Also Vinyl was town doc. This is why you don't assume ****. Also, due to Nabe's death, we now know that lynches are not revealed until the next day (very odd mechanic which sucks a lot). Also it's highly likely that Nabe is scum for obvious reasons stated. Still don't mind dying if you guys are really that uncomfortable with me. Unfortunately you can't see it until N4 begins but we are on a good track anyways. If somehow Nabe flips town, lynch PJB asap (though I doubt that it will happen).

I can full claim as well if you guys want.

Why are you okay with dying...out reads like vandy said

Hey rake is there an indy this game or is it a mechanic

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Jesus christ Rake, you literally said "I want Gangsta and it's not dependent on lynching Nabe." Why not get Gangsta today? Just realized I have to write a long-*** case. Here we go.

This is still partially relevant.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Mistake with vote count will fix.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh kevin :I

not sure how i feel about that slot anymore

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Deciding whether a claim is relevant, waiting for Orbo now.

 

[vanderzant]

I suppose if you look at it that way, but Nabe wasn't at fear of being lynched too much after his claim and the unvotes could have happened. WATT's chance would be right there and obviously players like Rajam/Gangsta weren't reluctant to vote him either. I'd like to think mafia voted Nabe yesterday, do you agree?

Like I said, I don't find the Nabe wagon all that telling, considering how hard Myself/WATT/Kary were gunning for him. Yes, you did provide some pretty firm opposition, however considering his scum buddy knew that this gambit would completely fall apart the next Day phase, there would be no utility in supporting him. So yeah, it's possible that mafia voted him yesterday, but I see it as equally possible that they could of been an inactive like Rajam.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

So WATT I feel like it's safe to repeat myself on something I said yesterday: stop being revolved around speculation and play the game. Also Vinyl was town doc. This is why you don't assume ****. Also, due to Nabe's death, we now know that lynches are not revealed until the next day (very odd mechanic which sucks a lot). Also it's highly likely that Nabe is scum for obvious reasons stated. Still don't mind dying if you guys are really that uncomfortable with me. Unfortunately you can't see it until N4 begins but we are on a good track anyways. If somehow Nabe flips town, lynch PJB asap (though I doubt that it will happen).

I can full claim as well if you guys want.

What exactly are you preaching about right now with the first sentence? Because if it's about Vinyl being doc I'll kindly ask you to put your foot right in your mouth and keep it there all game from now on. I'm not in the mood to be chastised by your slot of all people for "speculation" if you're also claiming the opinion Nabe was scum was correct.

Also kinda salty about not getting to use Clownbot's hero lynch . I knew something like this would of happened

But you can't be anywhere NEAR as salty as I am or Orbo is going to be... You'll know if we see merit in claiming. I'm trying to decide if the info I have is worth telling people or just pointless and won't actually help. I think it depends what I hear from RR and Orbo toDay.

 

[vanderzant]

But you can't be anywhere NEAR as salty as I am or Orbo is going to be... You'll know if we see merit in claiming. I'm trying to decide if the info I have is worth telling people or just pointless and won't actually help. I think it depends what I hear from RR and Orbo toDay.

I don't know man. If we'd just hardbodied Rajam like Clownbot wanted, not only would we have Nabe's flip and role name but we'd also be rid of Rajam completely. I actually wish I'd considered the idea of a delayed flip because Clown's role makes PERFECT sense from a design perspective to give Town extra information. GOSH DARN IT

Unrelated but:

Okay so I really need to catch up because I'm not going to be here tomorrow due to my cousin getting married. Ask me whatever so I can get things out now. As I said before, I don't mind taking the noose anymore if that's really what has to happen.

Remind me why Nabe is scum somebody? List reasons.

I don't like how WATT was hounding on us and now suddenly wants to go for Rajam for no real reason whatsoever.

Nabe's role is officially useless if he's town. I know because I did the same thing when I was Wolverine in OS All Stars mafia. You honestly should've just claimed vig or not said your restrictions.

Can you give me 5 bullet points explaining why Nabe is scum?

How so WATT? He had to play scummy enough to get votes or somehow convince someone to hammer vote without claiming. I had a role very similar to this and I played the same way. Also I prefer direct answers to my questions instead of your little deflections.

Gangsta's reactions to the Nabe claim. To me he comes across kinda out of it in the first quote (which he shouldn't be as Nabe obviously put a fair bit of thought into his claim). The second is also kind of a weird thing to say if he knows Nabe's claim is made up. And then he's sort of defending Nabe which again I don't know if I'd expect this from a scum buddy.

Something else of note; Pjb unvoted from the Nabe wagon but then refused to join the gangsta one and instead proposed Rajam. If he's scum in this scenario and is trying to get momentum off of Nabe, he probably would of just jumped on the Gangsta wagon. This sort of shows he's thinking about who he wants to lynch rather than playing around the two current wagons, which I like.

 

[vanderzant]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (2 members and 1 guests)vanderzant, J+
Oh hey J, why don't you log onto your Hydra and talk to me about stuff

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha I hate to do this but literally have not read a page of this since that one post weeks ago. So I see Inferno posting so instead of making everyone wait on me and me most likely not delivering just going to do the best thing I can and:

/replace out

Hope you guys still have fun though!

 

[Wots All This Then?]

@Vand: Lol... you will be if we decide claiming would be of benefit... I know if I had known how things would go I'd have pushed Clown to use his ability quite a bit more than the "eh, you decide" response I gave him when he asked.

But everything considered it's still better than if we had let Nabe live. We'd have came into toDay with Clown dead AND a Nabe to deal with. And that's not even taking into account the fact he's looking more and more like scum after Vinyl returned. (though personally I'm more intrigued by the fact he didn't take the opportunity to say something in twilight rather than just "Happy gaming". I guess I'm taking that as a scum-tell since I'd figure town would want to dump some info off: even if it couldn't be trusted until awhile later. He seemed not to be interested in even trying)


I'm not as sold on my previous Kary opinion as I was before myself. I like the way Kary handled himself during the push for Nabe and his later play doesn't strike me as non-genuine like his opening play did. I really should be re-reading it now that it's over (the Nabe push), but still, I'm not as hard sold on Kary anymore. (though I wouldn't put him as high as third most confident town read as you have lol)


@Mod: Can we get a prod on Rajam?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

@Ninja:

I make a motion to rename this mafia "Replacement Fever Mafia". If you're an original slot and still in this game: congratulations, we're all getting a unofficial mafia medal of honor.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Anyways, I guess I should wait on Orbo before handing out official directions for today as well, but I can say from my point of view however I wouldn't mind Rajam and I don't think I'd mind Gangsta anymore either.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Oh, and FrozenFlame has some shoes to fill. Everyone else I'm ok with leaving around for another day.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yo Rajam, you mafia?

 

[Rajam]

Reads so far:
Joey > Clownbot
soup
RF > vanderzant
BSP > Rake
Killstic > PJB
Gangsta

Lynchable:
WATT: I'm not that sure anymore about him being super-scum but I'm still ok with his lynch
KevinM > frozen: Realized D1 he basically tunneled BSP all day and did nothing else. Strong start but got stuck there.
Krystedez > Kary: Just by PoE. Haven't read much of this slot yet.

Gangsta / Inferno, in #349, why did you pick WATT for that question?

vote: frozenflame751

 

[#HBC | Joker]

You just now realized that? You were doublevoting him, and you told him you wouldn't be doing that if he wasn't playing super awesome, or some such nonsense. You weren't closely scrutinizing his play before now?

This guy can go.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Why are you okay with dying...out reads like vandy said

Hey rake is there an indy this game or is it a mechanic

If it's a mechanic then we wouldn't have gotten IR's flip right away , right ?
That seems to make sense, plus we got Clownbot's , so I'm more inline with the thought of it being an ability.

That being said, i've never heard of a flip hiding / fli[ abducting indy, nor do i understand why said indy would even reveal themselves short of immediate personal gain to do so, you get my drift ? I'm going to assume the mafia would have no knowledge of a indy's presence , and it seems counter-intuitive for an indy( where you want to stay relatively safe and survive ) to then reveal themselves, especially considering the first person who was hidden / abducted was Vinyl.

Like, the only real gain has been wifom, which is a lot less powerful IMO then the mafia knowing you exist.

Now, that being said , maybe they have to "abduct" a certain amount of lynches or something to win out, but to be honest, i'm not going to let myself delve any further into set up spec, all we can do is hunt scum and deal with problems as they come.

Why soup, do feel like it's more likely to be an ability, because honestly , to sum up the above, the flips that have been hidden, abducted or whatever you want to call it , definitely have a targeted feel to them, at least from my perspective.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Kinda wish we had used the hero lynch to do this now, but oh well.

vote: Rajam

btw, I can promise you that I am not bulletproof, so Nabe must've been either lying, or he couldn't kill me because of something to do with Vinyl having not flipped.

Who do you want besides Rajam? Why do you want Rajam besides inactivity?

So WATT I feel like it's safe to repeat myself on something I said yesterday: stop being revolved around speculation and play the game. Also Vinyl was town doc. This is why you don't assume ****. Also, due to Nabe's death, we now know that lynches are not revealed until the next day (very odd mechanic which sucks a lot). Also it's highly likely that Nabe is scum for obvious reasons stated. Still don't mind dying if you guys are really that uncomfortable with me. Unfortunately you can't see it until N4 begins but we are on a good track anyways. If somehow Nabe flips town, lynch PJB asap (though I doubt that it will happen).

I can full claim as well if you guys want.

why don't you do something? Give reads, push a lynch, anything.

You just now realized that? You were doublevoting him, and you told him you wouldn't be doing that if he wasn't playing super awesome, or some such nonsense. You weren't closely scrutinizing his play before now?
This guy can go.

I can agree with this.

If it's a mechanic then we wouldn't have gotten IR's flip right away , right ?
That seems to make sense, plus we got Clownbot's , so I'm more inline with the thought of it being an ability.

That being said, i've never heard of a flip hiding / fli[ abducting indy, nor do i understand why said indy would even reveal themselves short of immediate personal gain to do so, you get my drift ? I'm going to assume the mafia would have no knowledge of a indy's presence , and it seems counter-intuitive for an indy( where you want to stay relatively safe and survive ) to then reveal themselves, especially considering the first person who was hidden / abducted was Vinyl.

Why soup, do feel like it's more likely to be an ability, because honestly , to sum up the above, the flips that have been hidden, abducted or whatever you want to call it , definitely have a targeted feel to them, at least from my perspective.

Rake, what if it's just a lynch mechanic? In lost, there were no flips due to a mechanic, and scum ryker got them as part of his role. Is something like that possible here you think?
Talk to me about the bolded.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

We'll know after toDay; If it's a mechanic, Whoever is lynched will be hidden, if it's not then it's an ability. Plain and simple;

If it is a lynch mechanic, what did ryker's role entail , was he scum ? Indy ?

What i mean wrt the bolded is look at how questionable the lynches at the time have been ; Vinyl was a large scumspect and everyone was loking for info on his flip; It was hidden; Same story with nabe , a lot of people looking to draw connections; It get's hidden, maybe I'm being over paranoid here, hell it could be a lynch mechanic; But we don't know that and e just need to keep doing what we are doing .

 

[Wots All This Then?]

We'll know after toDay; If it's a mechanic, Whoever is lynched will be hidden, if it's not then it's an ability. Plain and simple;

If it is a lynch mechanic, what did ryker's role entail , was he scum ? Indy ?

What i mean wrt the bolded is look at how questionable the lynches at the time have been ; Vinyl was a large scumspect and everyone was loking for info on his flip; It was hidden; Same story with nabe , a lot of people looking to draw connections; It get's hidden, maybe I'm being over paranoid here, hell it could be a lynch mechanic; But we don't know that and e just need to keep doing what we are doing .

Why couldn't it be an ability if the lynch is hidden today?
@Ryker in Lost- the flips were hiddne(lynch, because mafia didn't have a kill. Gheb sk died D1 or D2 iirc so no kills that game.) Ryker got the flips and was able to tell his scumteam. It might be something like that, in which case the role would get the info a day earlier than others.
That's actually why i thought it was a Jan after D1. But we got the flip at the end of D2, which isn't standard for a jan.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

why btw WATT, which side do you fall on , lynch mech/ ability / other ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

and then ninja's that make my post make no sense

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

this is why i don't do set up spec.

/allofmyhate

 

[Wots All This Then?]

why btw WATT, which side do you fall on , lynch mech/ ability / other ?

This half is leaning mechanic but is contemplating ability(probably indy)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

wait, WATT, before, weren't you less than interested in Gangsta ?

What changed ?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Nightphase. We re-evaluated a few reads. Kary dropped, Gangsta went up. This half is trying to convinve the other half of a third read, but we'll see.

 

[Inferno3044]

Vand, Nabe wasn't scum for his claim and that was the point I was trying to make as he played the role similar to how I played it in a different game. He is scum because we now know Vinyl was town, therefore proving that he was lying about his role. If somehow he is town, then he is just bad or PJB is scum and lying about not being BP. However, my read on PJB is somewhat dependent on Nabe's flip (I think he is the opposite of Nabe). I also think you're town assuming mafiaNabe (I personally don't think leading lynches on indies proves anything alignment wise). I will support a Rajam lynch if he continues to show no sign of real activity.

Also saying this ahead of time:

V/LA on January 10th-11th. On the 10th I'm picking up mad people from Newark airport to Apex all day and Friday is Apex. Personally I would want the day done before then, but I have no idea what will happen.

 

[Inferno3044]

Vote: WATT

He's scum. He should die.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Gonna need a better explanation than that bro.