Toonami Mafia - Game Over - Daytime Programing wins!

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, when did you take the notes that you made that post out of? When you were initially rereading? Recently?

Initially and recently, it's a ongoing thing.

@Clownbot/Rake: After we lynch nabe who do you want for the 2nd lynch? Are you willing to trust me one more time and go WATT?

This suggestion is bad and you should feel bad.

I strongly dislike the idea of a hero lynch.

If Nabe's scum; I still want Gangsta, Rajam i'd settle for , and maybe a splash of PJB depending on how i read over his interactions with nabe post lynch, him going back and forth on Nabe is meh, but i can't condemn him on it because i've been doing it too.

If Nabe's town; Still Gangsta, i want this lynch, but on Nabe town I'd probably have to relook over WATT and vandy.

There was no abductor in Super Heroes Mafia. This isn't Super Heroes Mafia. This is a game run by Red Ryu, who was in Super Heroes Mafia from start to finish, whose approach to the game I have a very firm knowledge of. I was neighboured with him in Super Heroes, and I have been playing with Ryu since he started at mafia.

My role is from Super Heroes Mafia, and is part of why I dislike Rake as I explained. It's not why I dislike Rake in full, and I'll thank you not to downplay what I'm saying by focusing on a single point.


The only thing that you need to do is the following: if I do not kill a player toNight, lynch me toMorrow.

If you choose to believe that I'm the role I say I am, a role that fits my play thus far to a T, then the other arguments I put forth in my post follow logically from the action I took last Night in shooting Vinyl's hammer (you).

Are you bulletproof?

Nabe.

There's other option than the one you laid out that you skipped over

D) Your scum fake claiming , and this mod meta stuff is just wifomy BS

Not to mention, we can't know that your not simply scum, shooting who we (town) directed you to, or the hammer on a ML.

You can't even outline why you dislike my slot in full either , johns aside, your case was pretty poor mod meta analysis(i've hit on this already, but it's worth pointing out you've done nothing verifiable in ensuring my lynch).

It's almost to the point of ridiculousness that your arguing for my lynch based on : well trust me guys, i'm town, so because mod meta, lynch him not me;

The fact is , you could have made better use of the time you did have here, and didn't , you could have pushed any of the lynches you've said you wanted, but didn't;

Instead you just ran around wasting town's time, then pulled this claim out of the air and going : I had this great plan, but, Johns.

Then you add in that quip about my being town saving me from your kill , like what ?

If it's par the course to Wolverine from OS All-Stars / Superhereos, then that last part is flat out made up

VOTE: Nabe

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

vote count when I get home.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also 34 1/2 hrs til deadline.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Jesus christ Rake, you literally said "I want Gangsta and it's not dependent on lynching Nabe." Why not get Gangsta today? Just realized I have to write a long-*** case. Here we go.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

SOMEONE HAMMER

HAMMER ALREADY

HAMMER

let the heavens part, the skies open,
let man assert his justice, and lay the hammer down
what will be
we'll see

 

[Wots All This Then?]

^This please. The headache of keeping Nabe around is NOT worth the possibility he's Town.

Jesus christ Rake, you literally said "I want Gangsta and it's not dependent on lynching Nabe." Why not get Gangsta today? Just realized I have to write a long-*** case. Here we go.

...You realize previously today you said you didn't want Nabe even if he's mafia right? You're in no position to call other people out on this stuff.

Soup you've lost it if you think Nabe has done anything more redeemable than any other slot toDay. He admitted himself that he "barely made any contribution today". We don't want to be enemies with you but we're not going to let you shoot town in the foot just because you really really like Nabe.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

WATT is one. I feel that my read on them previously does not hold weight and previous way of handling this phase has gotten me to dislike them. This is not just about disagreement, there is more to it. I get the feeling that WATT is just trying to get Nabe lynched, and is refusing to understand my logic. There is a difference between accepting something, and ignoring it. I feel WATT is intentionally ignoring me and being stubborn. I would not have such a problem if I didn't get this feeling like WATT just wants a lynch, as he's already scrambling to make sure it happens.

Soup I tried to understand where you were coming from for three whole pages... I honest to God tried so hard to understand why you thought keeping Nabe was a good idea and couldn't see why you thought it was the right choice. I tried during those pages just as hard to let you see it from my perspective but you apparently weren't interested.

I accept that you don't want to lynch Nabe, I accept that you think he's town. I even gave him a second chance to sway me. But I won't accept that lynching him isn't the right solution when I see it as the correct one in all scenarios.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

"If he's town."

god am i so ****ing tired of this when he flips town you're going to kiss my goddamn feet i wanted to write up a case for gangsta but i know it's going to be for naught at this point

 

[Wots All This Then?]

No Soup I won't even do that.

If he flips town my only regret will be how badly he handled his role that it came to this.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Because I have a huge case of the ****its and lol new year coming and lol I dont want it to be day and have to re-read while massively hungover and lol I saw vandy thought this was a good idea so...

stop


HAMMAH TIME

Vote: Nabe

Have a great end of 2012 everyone!

Cept nabe

cuz hes dead now

=D

 

[Wots All This Then?]

You did the right thing.

May God have mercy on us all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No Soup I won't even do that.

If he flips town my only regret will be how badly he handled his role that it came to this.

you mean an excuse, right?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

No Soup, that's the truth. Leaving Nabe alive would be our worst case scenario.

We can talk about it in end-game if he ends up flipping town and you're still mad.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Clownbot, it's up to you whether to use your ability. Let us know. I would much prefer deferring it for a Day, in which case you're due a protect toNight.

otherwise i'll see you all tomorrow. have a good new year.

 

[Clownbot]

Clownbot, it's up to you whether to use your ability. Let us know. I would much prefer deferring it for a Day, in which case you're due a protect toNight.

otherwise i'll see you all tomorrow. have a good new year.

Unless a) a bunch of people voice a desire to use it and b) we can come up with a viable lynch target I'm not going to.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I think the only second lynch anyone could reasonably agree on would be Rajam as a dead weight lynch. Unless you feel like it's expedient to use your ability before toMorrow I don't think it's a pressing issue.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I agree that if we did use the Hero lynch, it should be to get rid of Rajam. We should actually discuss if people wanna do that or not, because it seems like not too bad an idea anymore.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. Rake - [1] - Nabe,
2. Soup - [0] -
3. Kary - [1] - Rajam,
4. FrozenFlame751 - [0] -
5. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra) - [1] Gangstalicious,
6. PrivateJoker-Brown - [0] -
7. Rajam - [0] -
8. Vanderzant - [0]
9. Nabe - [6] - Wots All This Then?, Vanderzant, Clownbot, Kary, Rake, FrozenFlame751,
10. Gangstalicious (Inferno3044/J) - [1] - Soup,
11. Clownbot - [0]

Not Voting [1] PrivateJoker-Brown,

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is at Janurasy 1st 11:59 CST.

~

Nabe has been lynched, there will be a 24 hours Twilight as of this post. This will not be shortened or extended.

It will end January 1st 6:03 PM CST

 

[vanderzant]

Thank you Frozen.

I just counted and this Day phase was 15 days long

Clownbot, it's up to you if you want to use your ability or not. I probably would be fine with Rajam going at this stage, but again there is nothing wrong with just reevaluating tomorrow. It'd suck to lose this ability though so Doc should definitely be on you toNight.

I won't be around tomorrow so there's a chance that if Clown's ability is used I might miss voting. But I'll try and at least check in, just in case.

@Nabe: last chance to give us some reads bro. You've had almost 3 weeks though so sorry if I don't hold my breath

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Aw, shame.

Happy gaming, all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

twilight is over flip when I get homw

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

With everyone decided, it seems Nabe was the next to go, they surrounded him to see who he was when, *thump thump thump*

Nabe's eyes turned dead cold and went dark, he ran out of the building and went straight into the City.

Nabe (????/????) went missing.

Then with a sudden Shreak, someone was discovered, it seems Vinyl jumped off Tokyo Tower and was dead on the ground. Seems her Partner was happy, yet sad at the same time.

Vinyl. (Mihoshi Kuramitsu from Tenchi Universe, Toonami Doctor was discovered dead)

It is now Night 2, send all night actions to me by January 3rd 11:59PM CST.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also added important posts to the first page, kuddos to Asdioh for that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Alive and Dead players are up to date as well.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

With the night over, everyone wakes up and sees a dead person, wait no a dead hamster? What monster would dare murder this creature in cold blood for nothing else but to shut them up!

How dare they!

Now a French Hamster is gone, never to bring about a hamy ham day.

Clownbot (Bijou from Hamtaro, Toonami Hero) has been night killed!

It is now Day 3.

1. Rake - [0] -
2. Soup - [0] -
3. Kary - [0] - Rajam,
4. FrozenFlame751 - [0] -
5. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra) - [0] -
6. PrivateJoker-Brown - [0] -
7. Rajam - [0] -
8. Vanderzant - [0]
9. Gangstalicious (Inferno3044/J) - [0] -

Not Voting [9] Rake, Soup, Kary, Rajam, FrozenFlame751, Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz hydra), PrivateJoker-Brown, Rajam, Vanderzant, Gangstalicious (Inferno3044/J),

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at Janurasy 11th 11:59 CST.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

so.....


VOTE: Gangsta

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't get this game at all.

Vote: Gangsta

 

[vanderzant]

Unless we're assuming that a scum role is abducting lynches for a night phase and releasing them the next day, and this is what caused Nabe's shot to fail, we can pretty safely assume that he was scum.

The vigilante he claimed can shoot or not based on the alignment of the lynched player. Considering we aren't getting any flips immediately, this mechanic (or scum role) directly contradicts Nabe's claim. A role that can shoot the hammer vote on a mislynch in a game where we don't get the flip until the next day? Seems very unlikely.

And considering that Vinyl turned up as dead and town, we can pretty much conclude Nabe was scum.

Here are the possibilities as to why my kill failed:

a) Vinyl is not actually dead i.e. he is abducted rather than janned

b) Vinyl is dead, and was mafia (This is a strong possibility, and several people have noted that I'm surer on Vinyl toDay than I was yesterDay; this is why)

c) Vinyl is dead, was town, and PJB is bulletproof (This depends entirely on setup balance w.r.t. BSL's claim)

a) We know that Vinyl was lynched, we just didn't receive his flip until the next day. The only other explanation would be if the lynch is "abducted" for a whole phase, and then "released" the following phase by some scum power. But as I said, this doesn't make any sense with the role Nabe claimed.

b) Vinyl flipped town so this isn't the reason for Nabe's "shot" not working

c) PJB didn't die, so either he's bulletproof or Nabe was lying. Considering Rake's role claim, this is an incredibly janky assumption to make.

@Soup: I still want to see your case on Gangsta. Consider the challenge of you trying to convince everyone that he is the play back on . My only condition is that you give me your thoughts on my WATT case from yesterDay (I'll represent the info if necessary) and weigh up all the options rather than just trying to hardbody Gangsta.

Parts of what I said about WATT yesterDay
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15174096&postcount=1433
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15180243&postcount=1447
But also consider BW's interactions with WATT, as well as what I said about them when i replaced in.

@Watt: I lied when I said I didn't read your Kary case, but frankly I'm not convinced. Your points are mostly that he's "not genuine," "doesn't care" and "unhelpful" and the fact that while he was catching up he wasn't involving himself in "meaningful discussion." I struggle to understand how this indicates he is scummy and wasn't just lazy or in a state of catch up on Day 1 (of which all your case is based around).

I'm not looking for a PbP analysis. If your read on him is for him being "not genuine," than you need to show me which of his pushes or votes are not genuine and why. Show how he's not backing up his votes, or voting for odd reasoning, or trying to push Town in the wrong direction. If you can that is, because atm he's probably my 3rd strongest town read after Soup/Clown.

Otherwise, tell me where else you want to go toDay, but I'm assuming a Nabe scum flip does not change your direction towards Kary.

---

WATT
Rajam
Gangsta
RakeIndy if we hit 3 Mafia (sorry Rake )

Is my lynchpool for toDay. I'm frankly not that concerned with the order, considering we're possibly down two Mafia atm and have a bunch of mislynches up our sleeve. While I see Rajam as largely a shot in the dark at (due to his inactivity), there is utility in him going and I'm not willing to keep him around based on a couple of ok feels I got from his early play.

Similarly with Gangsta, I don't think they would volunteer their lynch on the basis that Nabe shoots WATT. If they are scum with Nabe, that's a pretty crappy plan. But again their inactivity bugs me and I don't like the fact that J isn't posting at all.

I still think WATT is scum, but if there is ever a time to lynch a few unknown slots, it's when we're down two scum and well before LYLO territory.

Other than this, I'll wait for Frozen and the rest of our inactives to catch up.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm Samurai Jack, Toonami Vigilante. I can only shoot players who hammered on a mislynch the previous Day phase, or any players who were still voting me at the end of a previous Day phase. That's why I've been trying to accumulate votes on me toDay, and I have two of three of my scumpicks on me

I had to look back because what happened to Nabe was fishy and I don't see reason for a mafia to janitor his flip like that. I had to check what he claimed and it's basically proven he was lying, therefore scum. I kind of feel bad for defending him now but I'm mostly curious why it would happen. Is there an indy abductor?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I will, I promise. I think the way he handled Nabe is even more telling to me. I just don't get the balance behind an indy abudctor like this or whatever

 

[vanderzant]

I had to look back because what happened to Nabe was fishy and I don't see reason for a mafia to janitor his flip like that. I had to check what he claimed and it's basically proven he was lying, therefore scum. I kind of feel bad for defending him now but I'm mostly curious why it would happen. Is there an indy abductor?

I think it's most likely a mechanic at this stage, but it's hard to say.

If it's an indy role... it's a weird one. And you're right, why bother janning Nabe?

 

[vanderzant]

http://i.imgur.com/d7TBk.gif

^ My reaction to Vinyl's flip and the subsequent deduction that Nabe was scum.

Vote: Rajam

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hold on Vand, I'll get to your comment in a minute. I saw this game was open while I was doing other things.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't think WATT would push so stubbornly on his partner like that yesterday, he would rather side with my argument as it doesn't give him reason to try. Why do you think he's still possibly mafia, Vand?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I kinda wanna look at how the Nabe votes progressed, WATT had every chance to unvote but instead he stuck to it, I thought he was just trying to get him lynched so I'm kinda eating some humble pie right now.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

RakeIndy if we hit 3 Mafia (sorry Rake )

i understand lol.

It's my lasting legacy; When i'm town : people think i'm indy playing some angle.

/buthey i'll keep doing my thing , hunting the scum and getting all the ladies

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Kinda wish we had used the hero lynch to do this now, but oh well.

vote: Rajam

btw, I can promise you that I am not bulletproof, so Nabe must've been either lying, or he couldn't kill me because of something to do with Vinyl having not flipped.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nabe was lying the moment a shot didn't go off

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

more than likely Nabe straight out bs'd it to try an lynch me, which is the only verifiable way that mafia can deal with me.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

and then soup went full ninja