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[#HBC | ѕoup]

Is nabe at L-1 right now? I can hammer.

 

[Inferno3044]

Nabe's role is officially useless if he's town. I know because I did the same thing when I was Wolverine in OS All Stars mafia. You honestly should've just claimed vig or not said your restrictions.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

L-2 I think.

 

[Clownbot]

For real? He's at L-2. Rake has expressed suspicion both pre- and post-claim but for some reason has not voted.

Soup, if we're going with Nabe toDay I don't see any reason to not use my ability. Are you going to try and convince me not to?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Are you sure we can't get Gangsta? He goes from 'why we voting nabe' to 'lol if nabe is town'

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, if we're going with Nabe toDay I don't see any reason to not use my ability. Are you going to try and convince me not to?

Yeah. It's a terrible idea and the risk is not worth whatever gain we might get. If there is a double mislynch, then we're down 3 players and not too far from lylo/mylo. Nobody is confident enough in their to go through with it in the first place. It's a terrible idea.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I swear I am not like this when I'm wide awake. I even forgot to put it in quotes.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Make a case for it and we can discuss the merits of Gangsta going in 2nd lynch if you feel strongly about it, but I feel like Nabe's fate is lost to the ages.



If no one is confident enough to lynch the second person after we see the first one go no one is forcing us to lynch during the second day I think. We can NL. It's a chance to, not a command to if I understand correctly.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yea I dunno how I feel about the double lynch. I mean, we kinda already did that yesterday with the modkill. We were pretty sucessful with it, too. I dont' think we should expect lightning to strike twice. If we get a chance to use your ability where we actually know one of two peopel are mafia, or we have two really strong scumpicks, that's the time to use it. Rolling the dice with it seems bad.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not much of a case to make, and I'm not doing that this far into deadline. I will only agree to lynching Nabe if it's just the only person we're lynching.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

We're either utilizing it today, actual lynch or just a 24 hour think period or we aren't planning to ever, because if we don't use it to give us the chance toNight we can't guarentee Clown will live to see toMorrow.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't see reason for clown to die, but his role is not likely anti-town.

Clown, are you okay with just lynching Nabe?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

If you'd kill a vig as mafia I see no reason why they wouldn't go for Clown.

 

[Inferno3044]

What is with this "it's hard to prove" nonsense? It's super easy to prove this. Let's say we want WATT dead. Just have WATT hammer the vote or have him vote Nabe. It's really not hard.

 

[Inferno3044]

"Hey Nabe shoot x"
"okay I will"

night happens
player doesn't die

'nabe why didn't that guy die"
'LOL ROLEBLOCKED"

we go from there.

So then either a) the RB is stuck on Nabe or b) we lynch him the next day. It's not as complicated as you guys are making it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

He'll be roleblocked if it's mafia, and allowed to kill a townie if he's got that in mind. Then we're down again.

 

[Clownbot]

Pretty surprised people don't want a chance at two lynches in a row. I personally would prefer to use my ability but it's not as if we've come to any conclusion about how to go about it. I just don't see why you didn't voice opposition to it until now, as it's not the first time you commented on the ability.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Scratch that, they'd probably roleblock him regardless.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because I've been on Vacation, and I'm pretty sure the last time I talked about it I was against using it in the first place.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

So then either a) the RB is stuck on Nabe or b) we lynch him the next day. It's not as complicated as you guys are making it.

And do you propose a way to tell the difference between the two scenarios?

 

[Inferno3044]

Also I saw the other deadline extension. I can be around for New Year's Day probably. As I said, I have a wedding and on New Year's Eve I'm going to a party. After that I can take a look.

 

[Inferno3044]

Think of it more like this: Who looks scummier if he gets RB'd? Nabe or the person he was trying to kill?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Think of it more like this: Who looks scummier if he gets RB'd? Nabe or the person he was trying to kill?

And when you realize he wants to kill Rake, the claimed NA Immune?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Reminder to myself to actually read the thread before I go on spouting about ****. I just read more into what I missed and I don't think lynching Nabe is a good idea, regardless of Clown's role or any other crap. Let him play out his scenario and explain his actions if it doesn't go through.

I don't think I'll be lynching WATT either, so consider this vote Preemptive.

Vote: Gangstalicious

Your slot has been bugging me like hell and I think this is a good time as ever.

 

[Clownbot]

Soup would you mind saying what you missed at first that swung you back against a Nabe lynch?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup would you mind saying what you missed at first that swung you back against a Nabe lynch?

The meat behind his claim and what he's planning to do with it. I think letting himself explain it himself dependent on what happens would be more fruitful than just lynching him. I disagree with a Rake shot however because I don't think Rake is lying about being immune, seeing how it's just a really easy role to claim. If we keep him alive, I want a couple of things to happen.

1) You don't use your role.
2) Nabe shoots someone town wants shot.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

And I'm flat out reminding you that regardless of alignment the result will be: "I was roleblocked"

Unless you plan on being able to tell something from that that he wasn't able to explain now, delaying for a day is largely pointless and denies us flip/scumkill possibilities.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah, because mafia are going to roleblock Nabe instead of just damning him more considering his position.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

"guys that nabe feller is going to shoot rake"
"lol oh no better roleblock him"

 

[Clownbot]

I'm willing to refrain from use of my ability in the event that we don't go with Nabe toDay, at first I was offended at the notion because I didn't realize you were opposed to me using my ability in general. I'm not sure about getting rid of Gangsta yet but if they do go, then they should be the one shot unless we can find someone else who'd be willing to give themselves up by voting Nabe or being the hammer. Gangsta has already 1) claimed VT and 2) shown willingness to die.

The above paragraph could potentially be useless of course because so far you're the only person in direct opposition to a Nabe lynch, except maybe Gangsta/Inferno I guess. Beyond that it would be exceedingly easy for mafia to frame townNabe even assuming they don't have a roleblocker.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm glad you understand my point of view instead of me pulling teeth. I know you've wanted Rajam for a long time too, and that could be a good lynch too. Hell, I wonder how Nabe would feel about lynching Rake today instead of just shooting him?

 

[Clownbot]

Do you agree with the final sentence of my last post, soup?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes, because it's precisely what I've been trying to say to WATT.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yeah, because mafia are going to roleblock Nabe instead of just damning him more considering his position.

Why wouldn't they. They win no matter what happens after that: If he shoots at mafia and block him: they don't die and Nabe looks bad. If he shoots at town and they block him oh well they still have the Nabe thing to fall back on next day where we'll probably get nothing done but discuss "Should Nabe go?" all over again while they still get their normal kill.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yes, because it's precisely what I've been trying to say to WATT.

Wait, if you think it's exceedingly easy for mafia to frame TownNabe even without a roleblocker, then why would you leave him around to be a mislynch later?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm so at a loss to what you two are thinking, I feel like I'm the solitary member of the mafia dunce club.

 

[Clownbot]

Yes, because it's precisely what I've been trying to say to WATT.

Well I obviously haven't been paying attention lol. Acknowleding that, isn't a Nabe lynch inevitable in the scenario you laid out? Even after we've given him a chance to verify his ability? There must be something I'm missing on your part of the argument - sorry if you've explained it before. I get the feeling you have.

 

[Clownbot]

Ninja'd! No worries, WATT, you're not alone in your confusion.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Soup seems confused.

Maybe he needs to have a kit kat.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I don't think Rake would lie about being immune.

I'm a nice guy, why would I lie about this ?