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[Wots All This Then?]

Soup I can't even begin to comprehend what you're saying.


Did you see Nabe's ****ing play so far? I'd understand giving him some benefit of the doubt as a potentially useful vig if he'd been trying his damnedest to be a productive member of town, but he hasn't! He didn't claim as a last resort: he waited until he had wasted as much time as possible by getting people to vote him for acting aloof and belligerent... that's not a bet I'm willing to take.

My mind is literally breaking.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because he's not bull****ting and telling the truth? I don't know if I'm making sense to you, but I'm not lynching Nabe and I believe his claim. I've tried to out my reasoning as to why but perhaps I'm just speaking in tongues to you. I'm going to try and sum this up a little better for you so this doesn't end up like another IR argument.

Nabe claiming a role like this as mafia is unlikely. The speculation behind it is out of proportion on top of the fact of some players stating to 'lynch to test his role.' Lynching him regardless is not fruitful because mafia would not vote Nabe. This is such trivial WIFOM but it makes sense if you look at it more than just his claim.

His play makes sense to what he claimed, and I literally cannot comprehend why Nabe would think, as mafia, that this was a good idea. The point of the hypothetical 'safe-claim' would be to not be divert attention from him, rather the complete opposite. If Nabe has a partner, he is sacrificing himself for the sake of hiding his own. For that matter, mafia has no reason to get involved. Do you understand??

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I hate his claim, trust me. I'm trying really hard to out my line of logic without going into too much WIFOM. His whole play is summed up with WIFOM honestly, and thinking it makes my head hurt.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

can we not talk about it anymore watt i really dont feel like responding to whatever you have cooking, tell me who else you would lynch thank you

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Mafia would hella 100% vote Nabe if you're suggesting he's town: they'd kill him.

You're boggling my mind with this, a safe-claim like this gets him more days alive, all mafia could ever dream of. If he'd have claimed VT or something probably no one would have hesitated to just lynch him and be done.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

can we not talk about it anymore watt i really dont feel like responding to whatever you have cooking, tell me who else you would lynch thank you

I'd lynch Nabe Soup. We're going to talk about it. This is obviously important.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I seriously hate this and I hate Nabe for claiming this. You have no idea how much I'm trying to make sense to you. I know you won't agree with me however, because you refuse to understand his play.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What do you need to know, WATT?

The unlikability of him claiming such a role as mafia?
The fact it's provable?
The amount of headaches lynching him would ensue?
The possibility of him being town?
The incredible amount of WIFOM, not worth deciphering?
The fact we have players like Gangsta idly sitting there not doing jack **** camping his vote on Kary whe he's no longer a relevant topic at all?
The fact that Mafia will not vote Nabe regardless of alignment?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm sure you are but you've gotta get through if you're right, and if not you've got to stop thinking it so we're going to discuss and grit our teeth.



I think you're taking this from the angle that Nabe would have had to plan this claim, but the way I see it it's the perfect safety net to claim afterwards if he thought he was in trouble.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's more than just his claim, and that's what I'm really trying to point out to you.

Look at it like Nabe was actually mafia, and now look at it like after all that has happened. Do you think this would be a good play? BW was modkilled on D1 and he's already claiming Vinyl. to be scum as one of the last partners. Would putting so much attention on him be worth the trouble? Even if he wasn't solo, Mafia will not vote him, because the whole point of it is to make it believable.

The claim is WIFOM. That's very much true, but if it was planned or not planned, the claim is meant to ensue fear into players voting him, or players not voting him. Mafia has no reason to put his claim at stake, thus they wouldn't vote them. It's so hard to go into this, but are you getting this a bit better? If Nabe has a partner, he is someone who is ignoring this, washing his hands clean of it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Daily reminder I hate Nabe's claim.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What do you need to know, WATT?

The unlikability of him claiming such a role as mafia?
The fact it's provable?
The amount of headaches lynching him would ensue?
The possibility of him being town?
The incredible amount of WIFOM, not worth deciphering?
The fact we have players like Gangsta idly sitting there not doing jack **** camping his vote on Kary whe he's no longer a relevant topic at all?
The fact that Mafia will not vote Nabe regardless of alignment?

Unusual, but I see so much benefit from it as a false claim if all he wants is a few more days to live and kill that I don't see why he wouldn't if he could think of it from Superheroes.

Very hard to prove sadly. If he's telling the truth and shoots Rake and Rake is immune then it looks like he failed. If he's lying he doesn't visibly kill anyone anyways. I don't have confidence in his scum read on Rake. I have reason to believe actions could fail for other reasons.

I feel like lynching him solves more headaches than not doing so. I think it'd be very hard to prove his role later if he's town.

If he's scum: don't care about WIFOM on reads: killed scum. If he isn't I think he brought this fully on himself. This didn't need to happen.

Sucks ****, but there's always next lynch.

I don't see why they wouldn't.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The more you talk to me, the more I think about how much of a headache it is just trying to make sense of it all. I don't really want to lose Nabe if he's town, because I'm trying to understand his play. It's just so ****ing unlikely for me that from my of view.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: point of view*

I'm also tired and dyslexic.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm trying so hard to figure out why you think no mafia would vote Nabe or why it matters, but I just can't.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The point of the safe-claim is to make it believable so mafia wouldn't vote them because the claim is meant to ensue fear on players voting or not voting him....

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's the whole damn point of a claim like that, you don't **** with a person with a gun. The play makes sense from town completely and doing it as Mafia just simply doesn't.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I went and got some food and thought of something. Let's have Nabe shoot someone out of choice, and if he doesn't die, then we lynch him. It solves all the damn WIFOM issues and it's provable. I don't think Rake would lie about being immune.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

But you don't make up claims as town, so he'd have to be that role for real if he's town: in which case I just don't see the town incentive in playing it the way he did. He could have just played normally and called out his role if he felt it was necessary today instead of doing that weird stall thing he did for votes.


If he's mafia he doesn't care who it actually instills fear into or not as long as it prevents him from being a lynch choice during this double lynch period. It doesn't matter if his partners do or don't vote him as long as he isn't really lynched, it's not like he's going to shoot them.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think you're right, and there was a much better way of playing it. See my ninja and we'll go from there.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also, if he says he was RB'd then I call ****ing bull****.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I went and got some food and thought of something. Let's have Nabe shoot someone out of choice, and if he doesn't die, then we lynch him. It solves all the damn WIFOM issues and it's provable. I don't think Rake would lie about being immune.

No. It's not: that's the problem.

Not only do we have to wait until at a minimum 3 whole other people die before he gets a chance, but it's not even provable if he fails.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

"Hey Nabe shoot x"
"okay I will"

night happens
player doesn't die

'nabe why didn't that guy die"
'LOL ROLEBLOCKED"

we go from there.

 

[Clownbot]

Wait a second, does soup think Nabe is just a regular vig?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yeah: and then we're stuck with Nabe either dying or not dying just like right this very second except we've killed two other people ourselves, and scum gets AT LEAST one more kill (we still don't know for sure Indy's capability if one exists, though we can have educated abductor guesses).

If we haven't won by then and we still have to confront the issue of NabeScum we're going to be in huuuge trouble.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, I know what kind of Vig he is clown.

Mafia won't kill Nabe, they have no reason to kill Nabe because getting him lynched is much easier. Look at his circumstances.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Of course they won't kill Nabe. I didn't suggest they would, but that would be such a ****ing amazing thing to happen for them it's unconscionable.

They'd have three people dead, one of their choice: plus Nabe in a position where he can't prove he's town still.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wait, you keep saying 3. Is clown using his ability? **** no. Don't even.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

He already said he would. He has to or he dies tonight and it's gone.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

We can't risk a doc not existing and I have reason to believe one may not.

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[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's completely ****ing stupid. Don't use your role.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Dear god Soup is this why you thought this was ok?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes, that's why I thought it was okay...

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That explains quite a bit actually... I just couldn't wrap my brain around why you thought it was an acceptable risk all things considered.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sigh. Who is clown planning to use it on?

 

[Inferno3044]

Okay so I really need to catch up because I'm not going to be here tomorrow due to my cousin getting married. Ask me whatever so I can get things out now. As I said before, I don't mind taking the noose anymore if that's really what has to happen.

Remind me why Nabe is scum somebody? List reasons.

I don't like how WATT was hounding on us and now suddenly wants to go for Rajam for no real reason whatsoever.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I think you're right, and there was a much better way of playing it. See my ninja and we'll go from there.

Sigh. Who is clown planning to use it on?

He uses it and we all decide, it's a second lynch. We were discussing it for the last 5 pages or so.......

 

[Wots All This Then?]

EBWOP: Sorry, accidentally all the multiquote



@Gangsta: There is much to read. You throw great tantrums, we can make it you again if you miss it too much.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright. I don't think using it is a good idea regardless, and would you agree to my plan if we didn't?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

(Sorry Gangsta, that came off sounding mean I'm frazzled from hashing this all out with Soup.)

Alright. I don't think using it is a good idea regardless, and would you agree to my plan if we didn't?

If we didn't I'd still be hesitant to. We can't prove his role and would have to start the hunt/debate anew after the night.


I'm telling you right now we cannot prove his role.