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dtilt says helloHas teh horrible vertical KO power, if my sources are correct...
I actually played an annoying Samus today...All she did was run away from me the whole round and shoot missiles. I eventually just full hoped high into the air over her spam and threw bomb after bomb at her while she was trying to spam me, but do u really think short hop arrows really are the solution? It seemed like her spam was better on ground.
i will comment on this match up later tonight when im back from eating.Toon Link's Match-up Discussion #29 - Samus
lol even if I had gone TL at Dibbz I dont think it would have made a difference in our match. Your Zair skills kept cutting me short when I tried to jump. I was totally obliterated by our matches. It would be fun to fight you more often.i will comment on this match up later tonight when im back from eating.
Ive played Santi(tx) and Hyrulian Royalty(La) and Jerm(tx). All of them play very different from each other so i think i have a decent idea as to what to do and what to NOT to. and sadly.......what to watch out for.
TL is a *****!
anyways, ill be back to explain
well in the case of Xyro, NEVER, pick battle field.Toon link has more reliable projectiles, better air game, easier to kill with and could probably out camp samus. Plus his recovery from what I can recall is probably a bit better and though Samus' is a good multi hit and would be difficult to edge guard.
I think that's more accurate. Battlefield is Samus' playground.well in the case ofXyro[any skilled Samus main], NEVER, pick battle field.
I dont play any samuses but I'll just take your word.I think that's more accurate. Battlefield is Samus' playground.
Good to know. Thanks.Lylat would be better imo.
at least u saw something of mine....lolThanks for that summary ^^
Unfortunately, I completely ignored it to concentrate on your cleavage sig.
jk
Very informative. I shall archive this information for mine own use now. Thanks Xyro.OK here goes.
First off lets get some things clear:
1. If the TL is MEGA MEGA campy(spammy) vs samus i think the match-up is 65-35(TL favor)
1a. santi(no offense)
2. If the TL is NOT a mega campy(spammy) vs samus i think the match up is 60-40(TL favor)
2a. Hyrulian Royalty and Jerm
3. For the record, samus can OUT SPAM toon link(in terms of speed) but toon links spam is BETTER(in terms of usefullness/effectiveness)
3a. Bombs stop samus charge shot(the one thing that eats thru TL arrows and boomrang)
3b. Throwing a boomrang BEHIND samus why continuing to spam normaly will forces samus at one point to stop and shield/dodge the returning boomrang. This throws off the flow of samus spam.
4. Power shielding TL links projectiles is easy(however, if the spam is spaced properly, u cant power shield ALL of it) which is good but TL can still fight man to man.
4a. Once you learn to power shield(or just stand there and let your hyrule shield block it) samus spam, you have decimated 80% of what makes samus good.......this is a VERY BAD THING FOR SAMUS!!!!!
5. When fighting face to face, samus loses BIG TIME. However, if the TL DOES NOT SPACE, us samus players get free UP+B(11-14%) out of shield. This may not seem like alot but if you cant space and we play on levels that have platforms, we will be getting MASSIVE amounts of damage from that UP+B out of shield. samus has jab and and d-tilts but its rare those will hit if both players are good. TL has more guarenteed hits than samus does. the ONE combo that works with 90% accuracy is falling up-air to d-smash(or f-smash)....but thats it. TL wins this one.
6. Samus KOs with d-tilts/f-smash/d-smash(on levels with low tops) and B-air. The foe has to be at 135%( i assume good DI) or more to be KOed with those moves. u-air and nair are worthless for KOs and U-tilt/f-tilts are way to risky for KOs. From what i see, toon link may or may not have alot of kill moves but his kill earlier than samus and in any case, this is key. TL wins this one
7. recovery, samus wins in this department. Our zair is MEGA MEGA long and we can bomb jump(its not as good as melee but it does help). We can spike the heck out of you guys(toon links up+b is mega easy to spike). But honestly, that situation wont come up often. samus wins this one
8. Size. Common sense, samus is HUGE compared to melee and huge compared to TL. bigger target raises chances of being hit more. size does matter, TL wins
9. Styles. This may not seem big but it is. TL has the ability to change styles DRASTICLY. Ive seen 3 different types in my time. santi hyrulian royalty and jerm. Samus is either spam style or spam style or if you really search the earth hard enough, you may find the style called spam style. TL wins.
10. Match-up experience. This may not seem like abig deal but it effects us all, even m2k(see snakeee vs m2k round one). If you have never fought a PRO samus and you cant adapt well, i assure you that you are 2x as likely to lose your first match. This is very handy for samus but it isnt a "OMG i will win this set" advantage.
Honestly, TL has a CLEAR advantage over samus( we all can agree on that) and thats not really gonna change. ok this is all that really sticks out for me right now. ill be back if anybody needs me. Bye guys and thanks for giving me the chance to post about this match-up.
no problem. if you need anything else, let me know.Very informative. I shall archive this information for mine own use now. Thanks Xyro.
Thanks, will do. Although, the opprotunity to play Samus here is rare indeed... Good to have information just in case though.no problem. if you need anything else, let me know.
and yes, this friday i will record some matches vs jerm. i hope it goes well.
You've got that right. It's hard to fight a match-up for the first time... I both do and don't look forward to playing you, Xyro.yes its rare but ive met SO many people who have never played a samus and also lose to me when in reality, they might be the better player. match-up exp is really important in this game.
yes your bombs stop our charge shot.Samus' zair > Toon Link's
Dobombs beat samus' charged beams?
all our projectiles beat the missles..I think.
We have more a kill moves variety..