prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
Nah. We won't see him till November. Mind games.
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Tom Nook for SSBB: Far from Deconfirmed.
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Jackal478
Smash Ace
Sakurai does not speak nor read english.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
No, you twisted his words first
prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
Then how pray tell does he update the site everyday? Most Japanese people know English. Especially the younger ones.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
Meta is not in the backround of the stage....
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
Well, we might get it sooner. If Meta Knight is any indication, not even Sakurai knows Monday's update.
prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
Yes, but he too, is like decoration. There are no other characters with him. Just like Nook and Smashville.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
Sakurai is not the only person working on the game. there are people called translators you know....
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Well...
In all fairness, even without the AC characters, it's not too hard to recognize the distinct appearance of the Animal Crossing world.
Mainly, there's been no precidence in a Smash Brothers game yet where a character appearing in one location or another was the reason for them not appearing as a playable character. (I.E., none of us ever read Sakurai saying, "sure, I would've put King Dedede in, but dang it, he was flying around in the background of that one level!")
Given that, coupled with the obvious fact that the characters in the background of the Smashville stage aren't permanent affixtures and can change based on what the game's data informs it of (i.e., time, date, etc.) then it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the game could change the background characters based on who's currently playing on the level.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Please someone tell me the mii thing is false...Because I'm not getting the next game if it is true
Jackal478
Smash Ace
But Nook is not on the Stage. He's not a playable character.
Meta is on the stage. He's IS a playable character.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING?
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
You don't know for certain yet if Nook is or not
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
So, help me figure this out.
Mr.Game and Watch doesn't fight enemies or monsters or save princesses, he just does simple, mundane tasks in a gaming atmosphere.
Tom Nook doesn't fight enemies, monsters, or save princesses, he just does simple, mundane tasks in a gaming atmosphere.
I'm really failing to see the giant, neon line that separates the two of them, showing that, "OF COURSE Mr.Game and Watch can be playable!" but then goes, "but there's no way Tom Nook can be playable!"
...You know, about a month ago I remember people listing all the reasons why the Ice Climbers wouldn't and couldn't return for Brawl.
Long before that, there were wild, raging debates about why a Pokemon Trainer (i.e., Red, Ash, Wes, etc.) couldn't be playable.
Sakurai himself said that "Smash Brothers is a game where anyone can show up and anything can happen."
Jackal478
Smash Ace
But Game and Watch meant something to Nintendo itself. And the creator of GnW passed away before melee released so GnW was in to honor him.
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
Tom Nook is in the background of a stage, a place where playable characters do not appear.
on another not ive heard the argument that "if a moveset can be made he/she/it can/will be in brawl!" Ive seen movesets for magikarp, that doesn't mean it should be playable.
on another not ive heard the argument that "if a moveset can be made he/she/it can/will be in brawl!" Ive seen movesets for magikarp, that doesn't mean it should be playable.
prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
And Animal Crossing is a huge first party Nintendo franchise that was the fifth best selling game on the gamecube and DS.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
But was animal crossing the first ever nintendo videogame?
did AC support Nintendo for its years to come?
thats what separates GnW from any AC character.
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
While I adore Gunpei Yokoi (that's the man's name, by the way,) he also created Princess Daisy, Samus Aran, Pit, the Gameboy, and the Virtual Boy.
You've no proof that the reason Mr.Game and Watch was put into Melee was to honor Gunpei Yokoi. It's a nice thought, and it does indeed honor his creation, but you've no proof that's the reason.
And both the Animal Crossing games and the Game and Watch games hold important significance for Nintendo, from their foray into the handheld market, to their foray into the realm of online gaming and sim-life.
And if you want to try to base your arguments on sales or game importance, good luck.
Game and Watch may have hit the handheld nitch, but Animal Crossing hit the market that Nintendo's obsessed with at the moment (and other companies are desperately trying to grab ahold of,) the casual gamer.
Animal Crossing was the first Nintendo game that truly and successfully got the casual and non-hardcore gamers into playing more games. People who wouldn't look twice at Metroid or would put down the controller after a few rounds of Mario Brothers were willing to spend MONTHS playing Animal Crossing.
Insignificant? I think not.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
And you have no proof he wasn't in for that reason.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Don't bring up points you don't have evidence to just because someone doesn't have evidence it's not true
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Just as you have no proof Tom Nook doesn't have a chance at being a playable character in Smash Brothers Brawl.
:D
...and ironically, it sounds like you're referring to an old, old post I made long ago on another forum about how Mr.Game and Watch helped honor the memory of famed creator Gunpei Yokoi...
Of course in said thread I never said it's the reason he was included, merely that his presence was another nod and tip of the cap towards Yokoi.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
You dont have evidence either. You are on no means ahead of me in facts. We're both at a standstill. Im just reminding you of this
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Yes...Tom Nook is debatable...
...But an animal crossing rep;s chances of getting in are extremely high...Higher than most other characters..
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
As I've been trying to say as well, there's still a full possibility of Tom Nook being a playable character in Brawl, and there are (as of yet) no facts that prove this impossible.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
What it should be is "he/she/it/them/potato can be in brawl", not will.
Yes, Margikarp CAN be in Brawl, should he/she be in it? Not in my opinion, others disagree.
But as was just pointed out, Sakurai said, "Smash Brothers is a game where anyone can show up and anything can happen", and I think "anything" includes Magikarp being playable.
Jackal478
Smash Ace
I Agree. Well. I'm off now. I'll be back when I have hard evidence he wont be in.
peace.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
There is no hard evidence of anyone being playable
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Er....
I'd say something like THIS is darn good hard evidence of a character being playable...
And something like THIS being all the evidence I'd need to accept that a character wasn't playable.
Of course, a direct statement from Sakurai's also good evidence, although he's been known to be a trickster
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I meant any character not confirmed...Is everyone picking apart everything I say now...I figure it's obvious enough to figure outEr....
I'd say something like THIS is darn good hard evidence of a character being playable...
And something like THIS being all the evidence I'd need to accept that a character wasn't playable.
Of course, a direct statement from Sakurai's also good evidence, although he's been known to be a trickster
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
yeah i was wondering what i forgot....potato.... how could i forget that....
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Right.
...come to think of it, the more abstract characters that no one thinks could be playable (i.e., Pokemon Trainer, Mr.Game and Watch, etc.) always end up being the most creatively structured characters in the game...
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
Duster from MOTHER 3?
Time to stamp my opinion into this! If there is an Animal Crossing representative to ever join the fray then the most logical character would really be the one and only, Tom Nook.
Why?
Well, in the beginning of the game one of the first personalities you meet is the Tanuki shopkeeper. Tom Nook eventually starts you off in the Animal Crossing world by offering you a home (Which you're in debt for, unfortunately). Afterwards, he offers you a job at his business to help you pay off your debt. Through your work you're able to introduce yourself to everyone in the town and eventually, you're free.
Now, during your life as an Animal Crosser, Tom Nook is the one you'll see periodically. You go to him and his store to purchase necessary items, furniture to decorate your home, participate in miscellaneous events and other various things. You also head to him to get a steady flow of income and you are able to upgrade your home through -him-. He also offers you an invitation to join the HRA academy which is a fun little aspect of the game.
So, you can see that Tom Nook has a significant and important role in the series. You're not only in debt for the house he has given you, but for his kindness and generosity.
Basically, he's like the poster boy of the Animal Crossing franchise.
This icon represents the Animal Crossing series and what's the image? A leaf.
This piece of vegetation further proves Tom Nook's poster boy status in the series. Why? Tom Nook is a Tanuki and according to Japanese folklore, mythical Tanuki are able to change objects into leaves with their shape-shifting magic.
This fun little magic is portrayed in the Animal Crossing games, as well. Placing furniture in the game is demonstrated with the placing of a leaf which magically transforms into its respective item.
Tanuki are also very beloved in Japan. A popular, schoolyard, children's song is based on the Tanuki and they were also featured in a Studio Ghibli film called, "Pom Poko".
So, in my humble opinion, Tom Nook would be the best choice to represent the Animal Crossing franchise with.
P.S.
I'm not going to even bother countering the following arguments because they've been shot down multiple times or are just obviously over the top. :|
"He can't fight! He's just a raccoon!"
"He's from Animal Crossing! Putting him in Smash Bros. would be weird!"
"He smells."
"Animals can't fight in Smash Bros.! Nintendo will get sued for animal cruelty."
Lulz.
Why?
Well, in the beginning of the game one of the first personalities you meet is the Tanuki shopkeeper. Tom Nook eventually starts you off in the Animal Crossing world by offering you a home (Which you're in debt for, unfortunately). Afterwards, he offers you a job at his business to help you pay off your debt. Through your work you're able to introduce yourself to everyone in the town and eventually, you're free.
Now, during your life as an Animal Crosser, Tom Nook is the one you'll see periodically. You go to him and his store to purchase necessary items, furniture to decorate your home, participate in miscellaneous events and other various things. You also head to him to get a steady flow of income and you are able to upgrade your home through -him-. He also offers you an invitation to join the HRA academy which is a fun little aspect of the game.
So, you can see that Tom Nook has a significant and important role in the series. You're not only in debt for the house he has given you, but for his kindness and generosity.
Basically, he's like the poster boy of the Animal Crossing franchise.
This icon represents the Animal Crossing series and what's the image? A leaf.
This piece of vegetation further proves Tom Nook's poster boy status in the series. Why? Tom Nook is a Tanuki and according to Japanese folklore, mythical Tanuki are able to change objects into leaves with their shape-shifting magic.
This fun little magic is portrayed in the Animal Crossing games, as well. Placing furniture in the game is demonstrated with the placing of a leaf which magically transforms into its respective item.
Tanuki are also very beloved in Japan. A popular, schoolyard, children's song is based on the Tanuki and they were also featured in a Studio Ghibli film called, "Pom Poko".
So, in my humble opinion, Tom Nook would be the best choice to represent the Animal Crossing franchise with.
P.S.
I'm not going to even bother countering the following arguments because they've been shot down multiple times or are just obviously over the top. :|
"He can't fight! He's just a raccoon!"
"He's from Animal Crossing! Putting him in Smash Bros. would be weird!"
"He smells."
"Animals can't fight in Smash Bros.! Nintendo will get sued for animal cruelty."
Lulz.
prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
Best first post ever.Time to stamp my opinion into this! If there is an Animal Crossing representative to ever join the fray then the most logical character would really be the one and only, Tom Nook.
Why?
Well, in the beginning of the game one of the first personalities you meet is the Tanuki shopkeeper. Tom Nook eventually starts you off in the Animal Crossing world by offering you a home (Which you're in debt for, unfortunately). Afterwards, he offers you a job at his business to help you pay off your debt. Through your work you're able to introduce yourself to everyone in the town and eventually, you're free.
Now, during your life as an Animal Crosser, Tom Nook is the one you'll see periodically. You go to him and his store to purchase necessary items, furniture to decorate your home, participate in miscellaneous events and other various things. You also head to him to get a steady flow of income and you are able to upgrade your home through -him-. He also offers you an invitation to join the HRA academy which is a fun little aspect of the game.
So, you can see that Tom Nook has a significant and important role in the series. You're not only in debt for the house he has given you, but for his kindness and generosity.
Basically, he's like the poster boy of the Animal Crossing franchise.
This icon represents the Animal Crossing series and what's the image? A leaf.
This piece of vegetation further proves Tom Nook's poster boy status in the series. Why? Tom Nook is a Tanuki and according to Japanese folklore, mythical Tanuki are able to change objects into leaves with their shape-shifting magic.
This fun little magic is portrayed in the Animal Crossing games, as well. Placing furniture in the game is demonstrated with the placing of a leaf which magically transforms into its respective item.
Tanuki are also very beloved in Japan. A popular, schoolyard, children's song is based on the Tanuki and they were also featured in a Studio Ghibli film called, "Pom Poko".
So, in my humble opinion, Tom Nook would be the best choice to represent the Animal Crossing franchise with.
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Nah.
I like Duster, but he's not that abstract. Lots of kicking, dancing, thievery, using his ladder staples and other items, no problem.
But give me a character like, for example, the Laughing Dog from Duck Hunt.
If you heard he was playable, I imagine you'd immediately be extremely curious as to how the heck he fights.
Or let's pick someone really abstract. Andy from Advance Wars. He's typically in the role of commanding officer, and isn't someone who fights directly (similar to Pokemon Trainer.)
Now suddenly imagine Andy on the field, able to summon forth, as he fights, an army of small vehicles and troops the size of toys (as they appear on the Advance Wars maps) that could fire at enemies, assist him, etc. That's what I consider a very interesting take on a character.
Just some posts to bring in some food for thought...
Check out Nook and the Pink thing next to him (Dr. Shrunk), no humans in the screenshot.
Again, in the back, between the TWO humans (who were not in the first screenshot) we see Dr. Shrunk in a different position.
This pretty much shows that background characters do randomly change positions/appear on the map. Other screenshots also show this, but I won't waste time posting them. Also, with the HIGH possiblity of Nook's Cranny in the background, I don't think it would be right if the Nook that randomly appeared on the screen was the Nookway Nook, there had to be a reason they changed it, possibly to avoid confusion...
Check out Nook and the Pink thing next to him (Dr. Shrunk), no humans in the screenshot.
Again, in the back, between the TWO humans (who were not in the first screenshot) we see Dr. Shrunk in a different position.
This pretty much shows that background characters do randomly change positions/appear on the map. Other screenshots also show this, but I won't waste time posting them. Also, with the HIGH possiblity of Nook's Cranny in the background, I don't think it would be right if the Nook that randomly appeared on the screen was the Nookway Nook, there had to be a reason they changed it, possibly to avoid confusion...
Algus Underdunk
Smash Journeyman
Right, and there really is no reason to assume a background appearance negates a playable appearance.
I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't raise a fuss if King Dedede were playable, and the Dreamland Stage from Smash 64 made a return as well, despite King Dedede being in the background of it.
People would just be happy to see their favorite characters playable no matter the circumstances.
I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't raise a fuss if King Dedede were playable, and the Dreamland Stage from Smash 64 made a return as well, despite King Dedede being in the background of it.
People would just be happy to see their favorite characters playable no matter the circumstances.
Ralph_Marquee
Smash Journeyman
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YEAH!!!! Tom Nook BRAWL!!!
xianfeng
Smash Hero
not deconfirmed, the "graveyard" is just trigger happy on the confirmations.
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
They've got an Animal Crossing Stage so why the heck not!