Toad parade - Oh boy it's Els--- I mean, Rosalina

[Welshy91]

And yet, Sakurai couldn't be bothered to give Toon Link moves that were exclusive to Toon games... no Deku Leaf, no Skull Hammer, no Four Sword... he has to be a clone of Link. Honestly, I wish Sakurai had cut Toon Link and made Link better by giving him Toon Link moveset and properties. And then for once, we would finally have an adult Link that doesn't suck in Smash.

And I do not want to hear any more "Mario doesn't need any more reps" arguments. People said the same thing before Rosalina was confirmed... we "didn't need" Rosalina but we got her anyway. Maybe YOU don't need a 5th or a 6th Mario character, but there are many other people who would have liked to play as Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, etc.

I'm all for a 6th Mario rep, as long as it's Bowser Jr. 5 was kinda pushing it, 6 might be a little over the line. Then again, I'm not the arbiter of series representation.... as much as I wish I were.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'm all for a 6th Mario rep, as long as it's Bowser Jr. 5 was kinda pushing it, 6 might be a little over the line. Then again, I'm not the arbiter of series representation.... as much as I wish I were.

What you just said for Bowser Jr... that's exactly how I feel as a Toad fan.

 

[Welshy91]

What you just said for Bowser Jr... that's exactly how I feel as a Toad fan.

It's almost like we're.... kindred spirits.
Except for you want some stupid mushroom thing while I'm wanting a badass Mini-Bowser.

 

[Arcadenik]

I guess so. I would have liked for Toad AND Bowser Jr. as 5th and 6th Mario characters... but Rosalina threw a monkey wrench...

 

[Welshy91]

I like to give Toad fans a hard time, but truth is I really wouldn't care if he made it in with Bowser Jr.

 

[Dropkick JD]

It's almost like we're.... kindred spirits.
Except for you want some stupid mushroom thing while I'm wanting a badass Mini-Bowser.

"bad ass min bowser"
He's a *****.

Lol, jk.


...But nah, he's a *****... he ain't no Koopa Kid.

 

[Pacack]

We just bought Mario Party 8 for my Wii. Guess who's maining Toad?

 

[andimidna]

Well, despite the concept of a Toad being unfeasible after being Peach's meat shield again and Rosalina joining the fight, here's something I think you guys can appreciate;

Look who's joining the ranks of a palette swap (an actual one, not like having Metal Mario as a separate racer) along with Fire Mario and Ice Luigi in Mario Kart Arcade GP?

Nintendo seems to have a thing about blue Toads these days.
So even if it's still farfetched, I guess you guys can still keep on waiting to see if there is a blue Toad in Smash.
But again, Rosalina pretty much killed any probability of any other Mario character, so don't get too hyped.

Rosalina was added first

 

[Arcadenik]

Since Toad is Peach's B move again, I hope that move is buffed. I would love to see Toad one-hit KO enemies at high percentages.

 

[Pacack]

I totally just murdered by brother at Mario Party. I am happy.

 

[Arcadenik]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/pickup/index.html

I don't think Nintendo is really ditching Classic Toad for Blue Toad like some people speculated... Nintendo usually uses Classic Toad for Nintendo merchandise and Nintendo-themed cameos in third-party games (Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and Scribblenauts) AND other Nintendo games (Animal Crossing: New Leaf and StreetPass Mii Plaza) and things like what we are seeing in that link. Blue Toad is only for New Super Mario Bros. games and Super Mario 3D World.

 

[Pacack]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/pickup/index.html

I don't think Nintendo is really ditching Classic Toad for Blue Toad like some people speculated... Nintendo usually uses Classic Toad for Nintendo merchandise and Nintendo-themed cameos in third-party games (Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and Scribblenauts) AND other Nintendo games (Animal Crossing: New Leaf and StreetPass Mii Plaza) and things like what we are seeing in that link. Blue Toad is only for New Super Mario Bros. games and Super Mario 3D World.

They might just be using both.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yeah. Red and blue are usually the most popular colors. I just prefer a Toad with all three primary colors as opposed to a Toad that's all blue with traces of yellow.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I could perhaps say the Blue Toad seems what I call Toad's "retro colour/attire", because of his whole SMB2-thing.

Cutest pictures in the site BTW. No really, CUTEST PICTURES.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I really like the name Yvan for Blue Toad
It's sounds cool and it's starts with a Y

 

[Albo]

Is anyone as curious as I am as to why Yoshi isn't confirmed, yet Yoshi's New Island is already out?

This could just be my inexperienced self, though.

 

[Pacack]

Is anyone as curious as I am as to why Yoshi isn't confirmed, yet Yoshi's New Island is already out?

This could just be my inexperienced self, though.

I'm betting on him being revealed during the direct that announces the possible Year of Yoshi with a few Bowser-like changes (tongue now can be shot upwards like in Y:NI, runs faster and more like he does in new games, etc.)

 

[YoshiandToad]

Is anyone as curious as I am as to why Yoshi isn't confirmed, yet Yoshi's New Island is already out?

This could just be my inexperienced self, though.

Probably awaiting the Japanese release honestly...which is sometime in Summer...at some point.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe they weren't ready to show off a Yoshi & Baby Mario team yet.

No Direct, no newcomer. That's how Sakurai rolls.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Maybe they weren't ready to show off a Yoshi & Baby Mario team yet.

No Direct, no newcomer. That's how Sakurai rolls.

Yoshi & Baby Mario?

Yoshi & Toad plz.

(/shameless self promotion)

 

[Albo]

At least Nintendo regards Toad of some importance, as shown in their YouTube and Google+ banner.

But that's unrelated to anything at this point (and possibly meaningless, considering the Pirahna Plant is there, too).

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Pirahna Plant confirmed
Actually if a Pirahna Plant could be like a item you could plant and when someone steps over it it chomps them, that would be cool

 

[Oz37]

I'm at the point now where I'm okay with Toad's probable support-only role in Smash 4. I still say he (in some incarnation or another) has a chance at being playable and will continue to say so until the final roster is revealed, but there are worse fates than being a comical and useful move that is perfect for the character *cough* Waluigi *cough*.

 

[Albo]

To be honest, I'd really prefer that, if Peach were to use a respective Mario character as a meat shield, she'd be updated as "Peach and Toad", not just "Peach". I mean, Rosalina and Luma, right? By prefer, obviously besides Toad being his own standalone character.

Well, I guess Lumas are more than meat shields.

By the way, am I the only one who, if I can't get Toad, kinda wants Nester as a newcomer? Dang Nintendo...their prank ideas turn out to be good ones.

 

[Arcadenik]

Pirahna Plant confirmed
Actually if a Pirahna Plant could be like a item you could plant and when someone steps over it it chomps them, that would be cool

If we get Piranha Plant as an item, I want it to be the potted variety from Super Mario 3D World.

 

[Arcadenik]

Well, well, looks like the potted Piranha Plant is actually an item in Mario Kart 8 after all... I am pleased about this because I found it to be an useful item in Super Mario 3D World... but not as pleased as I am about the return of Toad's Turnpike! That was one of my favorite race courses in the original Mario Kart 64... so much nostalgia... and I like how they updated it to modern standards... so I am glad that Toad now has two race courses in Mario Kart 8 (the other is a new race course called Toad Harbor). Nintendo needs to give more attention to Toad and influence the general population into viewing Toad in a positive light.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Toad's Turnpike is going to be amazing in HD. Loved that stage. Not just because it's a Toad stage either, it's always been one of the very best on the 64.

(Also notice we got Lakitu AND Shy Guy, yet no Bowser Jr.(or Diddy) as of this new trailer...? Maybe Jr.'s importance really HAS dwindled over the years...)

 

[Albo]

I hope that, when I say this, we won't debate over Bowser Jr.'s importance so much.

Bowser Jr.'s popular days are starting to fade in my opinion. Look at his appearances in important games, or at least what I consider the most important Mario titles to come out within a few years or two.

1) New Super Mario Bros. 2- c'mon; the Koopalings were obviously the main villains there. Even if he were in the game, he wouldn't have had such an important role. This is where I would start having doubts about his popularity if I were a fan of him.
2) Super Mario 3D Land (I know I switched the two. I'm not going in release order). This is probably the first main game he's missing from since his "reintroduction" type thing in New Super Mario Bros. That isn't a very good sign, considering that Boom Boom and Pom Pom return instead (also note that he controlled the airships from Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, but he doesn't run them in this game. Maybe that's something, maybe not.)
3) New Super Mario Bros. U- Yes, he was included, but also remember that this game is a sequel to New Super Mario Bros. Wii, which is the title that is really the Koopalings' reintroduction. Both he and the Kooplaings were included then, and since he played an arguably large role in this game, it's understandable why he appeared here.
4) Super Mario 3D World- And here is the blow to the chest. 3D World, possibly the biggest 3D Mario game since Galaxy (sorry Land), the combination of almost everything done right in the Mario series lacks Bowser Jr. (yes, it also lacks Yoshi who is important, but his components were "sneaked" into other items such as Plessie and the Potted Pirahna Plant). Bowser Jr. usually is a boss, correct? 3D Land's bosses were, at the core, Boom Boom, Pom Pom, and Bowser. Not much variety, so we can assume Nintendo perhaps "ran out of time" to squeeze in Bowser Jr. But 3D World is different; you have other bosses. The Hisstocrats. King Kathunk. Boss Brolder. Motley Bossblob (I think that's his name). This just adds on to the list set by 3D Land. With more variety of boss battles, Bowser Jr. could have been slipped into one of the Wii U's biggest titles. But he wasn't.
5) Mario Kart 8 (releasing May 30)- Final nail in the coffin? MK8. Nintendo's done a pretty good job with announcing returning characters, including the staples (Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad, etc.) and the "newer" veterans (Metal Mario, Rosalina, etc.). Even the Koopalings are probably the most important newcomers so far. But amidst all this news, Bowser Jr. still lacks a role in the biggest Mario Kart. According to Nintendo, fan favorites Waluigi and Toadette are returning since their absence in the previous installment, but seems the mini-Bowser is left out. To his fans, let's hope that he's announced at some point...or at least DLC.

My personal opinion? Bowser Jr. isn't leaving, but he seems to be going the ways of spin-off characters who were lucky enough to make it to the big games (in this case, the NSMBs and 3D(insert geographical feature here) but are slowly creeping out of the stage. It honestly saddens me; I'm not his biggest fan, but I do think he has a lot of potential to become a fully developed character.

But I still wouldn't trade Toad's spot for him to be in Smash Bros.

P.S. Speaking of Rosalina, has anyone else noticed Nintendo's recent thing for her? She has Mario Kart 8 artwork already, she's in the trailers, and a bunch of other stuff.

 

[Arcadenik]

Albo, you forgot Mario Kart 7... Bowser Jr. wasn't in the game.

It seems that during pre-Brawl, Nintendo had a hard-on for Bowser Jr. after his debut in Super Mario Sunshine... he was the new flavor of the month... a breakout star for sure... he had a second major role in New Super Mario Bros. where he was driving the plot (just like in Super Mario Sunshine) and he got in Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Superstar Baseball (as a captain), Mario Strikers Charged (as a captain), and Mario Hoops 3-on-3... incidentally, this was during a time when Toad was more of a spin-off character than a main character.

But Bowser Jr. did not get in Brawl.... why? It was not like Sakurai added another Mario character over Bowser Jr... instead, he added two Marioverse (not Mushroom icon) characters Diddy Kong and Wario... and did not add any Mario (with Mushroom icon) newcomers... and he added many newcomers from many other franchises... and this was during a time when Bowser Jr. was relevant and Toad was not... and the Brawl roster was already decided in 2006 so it didn't matter if Bowser Jr. still had a somewhat important role in Super Mario Galaxy (2007).

Now during pre-SSB4, Bowser Jr. is still somewhat relevant but his importance in the main games are gradually diminishing whereas Toad's and Rosalina's importance in the main games are gradually growing ever since Rosalina debuted in Super Mario Galaxy (2007) and Toads were thrust into the spotlight in New Super Mario Bros. Wii (2009). NSMBWii was a game changer, I believe, for Bowser Jr. and Toad... because here, Bowser Jr. suddenly wasn't Bowser's only sidekick... instead he had to share his spotlight with the revived Koopalings... and Toads suddenly wasn't just NPC's, instead they were the main characters with Mario and Luigi as equals.

Koopalings regained their popularity from Bowser Jr.... younger fans liked the Koopalings while the older fans who resented Bowser Jr. for replacing the Koopalings as Bowser's children (many Western fans believed they were Bowser's children throughout the 1990's) were pretty much happy... and so Nintendo started putting Koopalings in more main games like New Super Mario Bros. 2 (without Bowser Jr.) and New Super Mario Bros. U (same equal roles as Bowser Jr. like in NSMBWii) and now Mario Kart 8 (where Bowser Jr. probably isn't even in just like Mario Kart 7)... and even in games where the Koopalings weren't the villains such as Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World, we got Boom Boom and Pom Pom instead of Bowser Jr.

NSMBWii (2009), NSMBU (2012), and SM3DW (2013) bolstered Toad's popularity and gave back his relevancy he had lost during the N64/GCN years. Also, Nintendo seems to have replaced Bowser Jr. with Rosalina as the new flavor of the month... she is a breakout star now... she's showed up in Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, and Mario Kart 8... and best of all, she appeared as a playable character in Super Mario 3D World alongside the original SMB2 heroes... and she ultimately got in SSB4 with a moveset based off Galaxy gameplay with Lumas.

Regarding gameplay, I think it made sense for Rosalina to have a moveset based off Galaxy gameplay with Lumas instead of changing Mario's moveset... come think of it, maybe Sakurai wanted to have a moveset that represents Sunshine and the paintbrush wouldn't be ideal... and it wouldn't have made sense for Bowser Jr. to have a moveset based off Sunshine gameplay since we don't use the paintbrush, we use the water gun and that's exactly what Mario got in Brawl. If Sakurai is keeping Mario and Luigi (but not Peach because she's only getting "refreshed") the same but he wants a character with a moveset based off NSMB gameplay, I think Toad would be suitable.

Sorry for the long read, it probably reads incoherently (I kept getting distracted by Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, The Cleveland Show, American Dad, and now Family Guy) but I do think I raised some good points here.

 

[Saint Johns]

Albo, you forgot Mario Kart 7... Bowser Jr. wasn't in the game.

It seems that during pre-Brawl, Nintendo had a hard-on for Bowser Jr. after his debut in Super Mario Sunshine... he was the new flavor of the month... a breakout star for sure... he had a second major role in New Super Mario Bros. where he was driving the plot (just like in Super Mario Sunshine) and he got in Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis, Mario Superstar Baseball (as a captain), Mario Strikers Charged (as a captain), and Mario Hoops 3-on-3... incidentally, this was during a time when Toad was more of a spin-off character than a main character.

But Bowser Jr. did not get in Brawl.... why? It was not like Sakurai added another Mario character over Bowser Jr... instead, he added two Marioverse (not Mushroom icon) characters Diddy Kong and Wario... and did not add any Mario (with Mushroom icon) newcomers... and he added many newcomers from many other franchises... and this was during a time when Bowser Jr. was relevant and Toad was not... and the Brawl roster was already decided in 2006 so it didn't matter if Bowser Jr. still had a somewhat important role in Super Mario Galaxy (2007).

Now during pre-SSB4, Bowser Jr. is still somewhat relevant but his importance in the main games are gradually diminishing whereas Toad's and Rosalina's importance in the main games are gradually growing ever since Rosalina debuted in Super Mario Galaxy (2007) and Toads were thrust into the spotlight in New Super Mario Bros. Wii (2009). NSMBWii was a game changer, I believe, for Bowser Jr. and Toad... because here, Bowser Jr. suddenly wasn't Bowser's only sidekick... instead he had to share his spotlight with the revived Koopalings... and Toads suddenly wasn't just NPC's, instead they were the main characters with Mario and Luigi as equals.

Koopalings regained their popularity from Bowser Jr.... younger fans liked the Koopalings while the older fans who resented Bowser Jr. for replacing the Koopalings as Bowser's children (many Western fans believed they were Bowser's children throughout the 1990's) were pretty much happy... and so Nintendo started putting Koopalings in more main games like New Super Mario Bros. 2 (without Bowser Jr.) and New Super Mario Bros. U (same equal roles as Bowser Jr. like in NSMBWii) and now Mario Kart 8 (where Bowser Jr. probably isn't even in just like Mario Kart 7)... and even in games where the Koopalings weren't the villains such as Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World, we got Boom Boom and Pom Pom instead of Bowser Jr.

NSMBWii (2009), NSMBU (2012), and SM3DW (2013) bolstered Toad's popularity and gave back his relevancy he had lost during the N64/GCN years. Also, Nintendo seems to have replaced Bowser Jr. with Rosalina as the new flavor of the month... she is a breakout star now... she's showed up in Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 7, and Mario Kart 8... and best of all, she appeared as a playable character in Super Mario 3D World alongside the original SMB2 heroes... and she ultimately got in SSB4 with a moveset based off Galaxy gameplay with Lumas.

Regarding gameplay, I think it made sense for Rosalina to have a moveset based off Galaxy gameplay with Lumas instead of changing Mario's moveset... come think of it, maybe Sakurai wanted to have a moveset that represents Sunshine and the paintbrush wouldn't be ideal... and it wouldn't have made sense for Bowser Jr. to have a moveset based off Sunshine gameplay since we don't use the paintbrush, we use the water gun and that's exactly what Mario got in Brawl. If Sakurai is keeping Mario and Luigi (but not Peach because she's only getting "refreshed") the same but he wants a character with a moveset based off NSMB gameplay, I think Toad would be suitable.

Sorry for the long read, it probably reads incoherently (I kept getting distracted by Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, The Cleveland Show, American Dad, and now Family Guy) but I do think I raised some good points here.

You brought up many good points there, sir, and I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I've noticed this a lot with Mario honestly. We go through spats in the Mario series where new characters are suddenly shoehorned in everywhere. Remember when Petey PIranha was in Mario Kart: Double Dash, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis and Mario Super Strikers?

Apart from Super Sluggers(in which EVERYONE is playable) Petey barely gets a look in these days for playable slots. He was planned for Mario Kart Wii as a playable, but removed for reasons unknown and now isn't playable in MK8(as of this time).

This is going to seem controversial but I honestly see Rosalina as this exact same sort of thing; appearing in everything for a short burst but forgotten after a period of time. Jr. seemed like an important character, but it's true his importance has dwindled greatly recently. The one thing she has going for her over the likes of Jr. or to a lesser extent Toadsworth is she isn't trying to outright replace anyone.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I'm sure he'll be showing up

I'm just hoping Pauline gets in, I'd love it is she had like Clockwork-WIndup themed vehicles

 

[Arcadenik]

I've always wanted Pauline in Mario Kart just so Nintendo would have an excuse to make a race course based on Mario vs. Donkey Kong. She's a Nintendo Starlet. Nintendo, you made her one when you put her in that Puzzle Swap panel so treat her like one!

 

[Berserker.]

Wow, is this thread seriously still alive?

Well okay then.

This is going to seem controversial but I honestly see Rosalina as this exact same sort of thing; appearing in everything for a short burst but forgotten after a period of time. Jr. seemed like an important character, but it's true his importance has dwindled greatly recently. The one thing she has going for her over the likes of Jr. or to a lesser extent Toadsworth is she isn't trying to outright replace anyone.

Hold your horses. I'm not saying she's more important than Toad in terms of well... everything (In fact, it's the other way around. Toad's the one who has more importance) but... I don't think they're gonna knock Rosalina down anytime soon especially since Nintendo (Or Miyamoto, not sure) said that Mario Galaxy is not finished or "dead" and Rosalina's one of the important characters in the game despite her short screen time in Mario Galaxy 2.

More importantly, she's done what no other character that's important: Be playable in a Mario game. A Mario game which by that, I mean one that is a mainstream Mario game- Like Super Mario 64, Galaxy series, Mario Sunshine and 3D Land. That's something and Jr. has nothing to match that. Oh and she's playable in Smash bros, that's one more thing. Merely because of doing these, I can say that she's not going anywhere..... anytime soon.

But MOST IMPORTANTLY, she's the only character who's developed. They even showed her history as a character from child to present. It's as if Nintendo was setting her up to be one of the recurring characters that are interesting. I don't think she's gonna be one of the iconic ones like Mario and the rest that you probably know that I'm gonna name that were present since the beginnings and Nintendo likes following traditions (Regardless of what people may say. I don't even know how you can tell me that their tradition fetish is a myth). Fun fact, this was also done in a mainstream Mario game, not an RPG.

I'm not trying to devalue Toad or anything. In fact, he's still important and popular in the Mario series. He may have not been playable in Smash bros (Not sure about this one but he probably isn't so **** it) but he's still more important and more popular than Rosalina and for another good news, Nintendo finally noticed (I don't know why they only noticed months ago) that Toad does have a huge fan base during the Super Mario 3D World hype so keep that in mind. News was in a Destructoid article about the technical challenges with the Double cherry.

If you see a random person say that Rosalina's gonna be one of the... you know... iconic characters (sans piranha plant but when you think about it.....) over here in this picture in the future, go all out and be blunt even though they probably have a comeback that I'm sure has something to do with Smash bros but really, tell them to go **** themselves.

 

[Albo]

Yes, berserker01. You've created a monster.

Toad Mechanics get Mario Kart 8 artwork before Toad himself?

Toad Mechanics for SSB4.

Just kidding.

On a more serious note, berserker01 came up with a good point; Rosalina's story is the clearest of all characters. We only know what happens to Mario and Luigi due to Yoshi's Island(s), basically all Yoshis develop through food, and according to the Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 Writers Bible, Toad was a pizza mushroom (ironically), encylopedia seller, and one of Peach's chefs in the same period of time. Then again, that was just the show. I think.

With many characters, we're left to guess what happened to them.

But with Rosalina, it's different. See, what I like about the Galaxy games is that, next to Super Paper Mario (in my opinion), its story is stellar. Sure, you gotta save the prncess (in SPACE!), but you also have a substory, a plot B: Rosalina's Storybook. In it, you learn about her youth, how she even got up in the great beyond, etc. There are a lot of parts still left unclear (Is she ever going to die? What happened to the rest of her family?), but for the most part, it covers her whole life up until that point. And, hey, why not have some sad music to make you cry when you find out Rosalina's mother died?

Maybe Sakurai (sorry if I murdered his name) realized this. If you look at Mario characters, you don't think much like, "Oh, it's Mario. It's Luigi." But as for me, when I hear about Rosalina, I think, "Oh, the girl who went up in space so she could find a Luma's mother." It's things like these that make the game a little better, and honestly, I'm sure many people here know about Nintendo doing a bunch of little things to make their games better.

That's not to say I don't want Toad. Of course I do; he's my favorite. But I have to admit, Nintendo's really weird with his importance; he's playable in 3D World, which, as I said earlier, is like the Wii U's Galaxy, but in other games like Mario Tennis Open, he's not in (even, as sad as it is, Boo's a playble character.) I don't know where Nintendo stands on Toad, but I guess all we can do is hope.

 

[Arcadenik]

Every time we get a new Mario game that is not a spin-off, we need to fill out the Club Nintendo surveys and demand that Nintendo keep including Toad as a playable character in future main games. I know I did with NSMBWii, SMG2, SM3DL, NSMB2, NSMBU, and SM3D.

When Toad was not playable in SM3DL and NSMB2, I criticized the lack of a playable Toad. I explained that Toads were playable in NSMBWii so I questioned why Toad wasn't playable in those 3DS games. I mean, SM3DL had 3D models of Tanooki Toads yet there is no playable Toad. I justified that a playable Toad in addition to Mario and Luigi would increase the replay value of those 3DS games.

I also explained that if we have Captain Toad in SMG2, he should be portrayed as a strong leader... that he should be playable where he helps Mario and Luigi collect stars... and that people who liked playing as Toads in NSMBWii would have enjoyed playing as Captain Toad in SMG2.

I am trying to get Nintendo to keep Toad relevant in the main games through those Club Nintendo surveys... Nintendo doesn't listen to unsolicited opinions when we email them... but they seem to listen to our opinions that they actually asked for on the Club Nintendo surveys. There's a reason I was literally screaming with joy when SM3DW was revealed at E3 2013... it was pretty much what I requested for a long time... a new 3D Mario platformer with the SMB2 heroes.

 

[Berserker.]

I don't know where Nintendo stands on Toad, but I guess all we can do is hope.

Nintendo finally noticed (I don't know why they only noticed months ago) that Toad does have a huge fan base during the Super Mario 3D World hype so keep that in mind. News was in a Destructoid article about the technical challenges with the Double cherry

 

[YoshiandToad]

You got the link to that? I can't seem to find it.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Nintendo finally noticed (I don't know why they only noticed months ago) that Toad does have a huge fan base during the Super Mario 3D World hype so keep that in mind. News was in a Destructoid article about the technical challenges with the Double cherry

Well then, I guess Toad seems like one of the most likely characters for Smash 5 then, if everything keeps going well for him.

 

[8-peacock-8]

At least Nintendo regards Toad of some importance, as shown in their YouTube and Google+ banner.

Pirahna Plant is there, too).

Piranha Plant is too hype for Smash.