Toad parade - Oh boy it's Els--- I mean, Rosalina

[YoshiandToad]

I still hold by what I said before. Toad is not technically deconfirmed at all. Rosalina's appearance is what killed him.

I thought it was Link?

Tragedy + Time = Comedy?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, despite the concept of a Toad being unfeasible after being Peach's meat shield again and Rosalina joining the fight, here's something I think you guys can appreciate;

Look who's joining the ranks of a palette swap (an actual one, not like having Metal Mario as a separate racer) along with Fire Mario and Ice Luigi in Mario Kart Arcade GP?

Nintendo seems to have a thing about blue Toads these days.
So even if it's still farfetched, I guess you guys can still keep on waiting to see if there is a blue Toad in Smash.
But again, Rosalina pretty much killed any probability of any other Mario character, so don't get too hyped.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Well, despite the concept of a Toad being unfeasible after being Peach's meat shield again and Rosalina joining the fight, here's something I think you guys can appreciate;

Look who's joining the ranks of a palette swap (an actual one, not like having Metal Mario as a separate racer) along with Fire Mario and Ice Luigi in Mario Kart Arcade GP?

Nintendo seems to have a thing about blue Toads these days.
So even if it's still farfetched, I guess you guys can still keep on waiting to see if there is a blue Toad in Smash.
But again, Rosalina pretty much killed any probability of any other Mario character, so don't get too hyped.

That's kind of interesting. Looks like Blue Toad is possibly going to be a staple of the Mario series now. Or, well...I guess I'll wait and see if he's in Mario Kart 8 before I get ahead of myself. It's pretty early days still, but he's certainly getting more attention than you'd think for a simple palette swap.

But yes, I don't think this is the Smash for any new Mario characters outside Rosalina. Bad luck to you too Golden.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hmmm... interesting... so Mario, Luigi, and Toad are the only Mario characters with palette swaps in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX? It would be pretty cool if we had palette swaps in Mario Kart 8...

 

[8-peacock-8]

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Well, despite the concept of a Toad being unfeasible after being Peach's meat shield again and Rosalina joining the fight, here's something I think you guys can appreciate;

Look who's joining the ranks of a palette swap (an actual one, not like having Metal Mario as a separate racer) along with Fire Mario and Ice Luigi in Mario Kart Arcade GP?

Nintendo seems to have a thing about blue Toads these days.
So even if it's still farfetched, I guess you guys can still keep on waiting to see if there is a blue Toad in Smash.
But again, Rosalina pretty much killed any probability of any other Mario character, so don't get too hyped.

What if they managed to have extra time after finishing all the initally planned characters and pull a Melee-style situation? Would Blue Toad have a chance then?

 

[Arcadenik]

What if they managed to have extra time after finishing all the initally planned characters and pull a Melee-style situation? Would Blue Toad have a chance then?

I don't think so unless Sakurai somehow managed to make a semi-clone Toad unique like Toon Link apparently is and replaced Toad with Toadsworth whenever Toad and Peach are in the same battle... and I don't think Sakurai would do that.

 

[Pacack]

Well, despite the concept of a Toad being unfeasible after being Peach's meat shield again and Rosalina joining the fight, here's something I think you guys can appreciate;

Look who's joining the ranks of a palette swap (an actual one, not like having Metal Mario as a separate racer) along with Fire Mario and Ice Luigi in Mario Kart Arcade GP?

Nintendo seems to have a thing about blue Toads these days.
So even if it's still farfetched, I guess you guys can still keep on waiting to see if there is a blue Toad in Smash.
But again, Rosalina pretty much killed any probability of any other Mario character, so don't get too hyped.

Even when I put Toad on my prediction rosters, I used Blue Toad.

 

[Arcadenik]

Mario got a palette swap named "Fire Mario". Luigi got a palette swap named "Ice Luigi". Toad got a palette swap named "Blue Toad". So... what? Is "Toad" the name of that Toad? Or is it just a title?

Do names really matter? We have Villager... but he is not named "Villager" in Animal Crossing games... "Villager" is the title given to the playable nameless characters in Animal Crossing games... We have Pokemon Trainer... even though he is clearly Red... but "Pokemon Trainer" is the title given to the playable nameless characters in Pokemon games...

Since there is apparently no Toad named "Toad"... so a Toad could still get in Smash as "Toad" since that's the title given to the playable nameless Toads in Mario games... and if there are more than one playable Toad in Mario games, these Toads are usually named "(color) Toad". So... even if Blue Toad gets in over the classic Toad, he would still be named "Toad"...

Also... I am not sure why this is even an issue...

If the playable Toad's default colors is Classic Toad (red spots, blue vest)... it is a problem because Peach's Toad is Classic Toad...

If the playable Toad's default colors is Blue Toad (blue spots, blue vest)... there are no problems because Peach's Toad is Classic Toad...

But if the playable Toad's default colors is Blue Toad... and he has a palette swap based on Classic Toad... is this a problem to Peach's Toad or not?

You guys realize this discrepancy when you are using Blue Toad instead of Classic Toad on your rosters as an attempt to circumvent the issues with Peach's Toad, right? So... what? Toad does not deserve to have his iconic colors as his default colors? I mean... Mario's default colors are blue overalls and red shirt... not Fire Mario... because that's his iconic colors... Yoshi's default color is green... not Red Yoshi... because that's his iconic color... etc.

 

[Oz37]

There are tons of Mario games that have multiple red-capped Toads, so I don't know why it would be an issue for the playable Toad to have the same palette as meat-shield Toad. On the other hand, if the playable Toad is Blue Toad and doesn't have a "classic Toad" palette, would anybody be really crushed? Sure, I can see where people would take pause and be even somewhat disappointed, but I should think that having him playable would far overshadow that.

For my own part, I've come to a point of hype were I really don't care who else makes it into SSB4 (most unconfirmed veterans included). I'm just really excited. As much as Toad is my most wanted newcomer, I'm okay if his only role is a comedic spotlight with Peach (my favorite character since Melee). I still won't be shocked should Toad still make a playable appearance, but I won't be heartbroken either.

 

[Pacack]

Mario got a palette swap named "Fire Mario". Luigi got a palette swap named "Ice Luigi". Toad got a palette swap named "Blue Toad". So... what? Is "Toad" the name of that Toad? Or is it just a title?

Do names really matter? We have Villager... but he is not named "Villager" in Animal Crossing games... "Villager" is the title given to the playable nameless characters in Animal Crossing games... We have Pokemon Trainer... even though he is clearly Red... but "Pokemon Trainer" is the title given to the playable nameless characters in Pokemon games...

Since there is apparently no Toad named "Toad"... so a Toad could still get in Smash as "Toad" since that's the title given to the playable nameless Toads in Mario games... and if there are more than one playable Toad in Mario games, these Toads are usually named "(color) Toad". So... even if Blue Toad gets in over the classic Toad, he would still be named "Toad"...

Agree on all of this.

Also... I am not sure why this is even an issue...

If the playable Toad's default colors is Classic Toad (red spots, blue vest)... it is a problem because Peach's Toad is Classic Toad...

If the playable Toad's default colors is Blue Toad (blue spots, blue vest)... there are no problems because Peach's Toad is Classic Toad...

But if the playable Toad's default colors is Blue Toad... and he has a palette swap based on Classic Toad... is this a problem to Peach's Toad or not?

I opted never to have the Classic coloration for Toad. Instead, he'd get a red shirt with his red spots to look similar to the Classic Toad without clashing with Peach's Toad. (At the time, I wasn't even convinced that it was an issue. Honestly, I'm not absolutely convinced now. But, if it is, then that's an easy way to get around it should Sakurai still wish to include Toad without replacing Peach's B move.)

You guys realize this discrepancy when you are using Blue Toad instead of Classic Toad on your rosters as an attempt to circumvent the issues with Peach's Toad, right? So... what? Toad does not deserve to have his iconic colors as his default colors? I mean... Mario's default colors are blue overalls and red shirt... not Fire Mario... because that's his iconic colors... Yoshi's default color is green... not Red Yoshi... because that's his iconic color... etc.

Recently, the Toad playable in the main series Mario games is primarily the Blue Toad, and the Classic Toad design is being used primarily for generic Toads and the spinoff Mario games. It's possible that Sakurai would want to add the Toad with the design that represents the main series Mario games rather than the one that represents the spin-off games (possibly because the classic design is also used for a whole species or because of Peach's neutral B being implemented already, thus making it awkward to use the classic design). The other design is more iconic, but the blue design is more distinct from the rest of the Toad species. If Sakurai thinks that's important, then he'll opt for the blue design before the classic design.

 

[Makaronileo]

im hoping for Captain toad, becuase he is not just any toad. but every toad would be awesome in smash!

 

[YoshiandToad]

If I'm totally honest I'd prefer Captain Toad to Blue Toad. But since Blue Toad would come with a red spot palette swap anyway it wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Arcadenik]

Nintendo really needs to make a Metroidvania game similar to one of my favorite NES games, Ufouria: The Saga... featuring the Toad Brigade members as playable characters... and they have unique abilities... that, or make Captain Toad's own game and it is an adventure game that is similar to Wonder Boy in Monster World (Genesis), Super Adventure Island II (SNES), and Shantae: Risky's Revenge (DSiWare).

 

[YoshiandToad]

Actually whilst we're talking Toad fan game ideas, I thought I might as well share one I had yesterday. You know, for fun. Read if you like:

Spoiler

I had an idea for a game where you'd play as Toad during an attack on Peach's Castle. Your job would be to clear your way through hordes of Koopa Troop enemies in a sidescrolling beat em up styled game.

Abilities of course include the use of power up items, vegetables, potions, bombs, that bazooka Toad left behind in SMRPG, Spore spawning and even warp pipe summons that bring forth a partner character of choosing to clear the area should you get a high enough combo.

Goomba's would obviously be the easiest opponents to defeat, then Koopa Troopas going up all the way to Hammer Bros., Dry Bones and the incredibly hard to beat Boos. After every 100 enemies a miniboss would arrive(Koopalings, Jr, Petey, Wiggler boss, Boom Boom, etc) whom you have to defeat to continue.

The aim is to thin the crowd enough before you eventually get overrun. Upon losing all of Toad's stamina you are treated to watching as Mario(or Luigi) traverse a classic stage. Don't wipe enough enemies out and the plumber brothers won't make it through the level due to the excessive enemy horde in order to save the Princess. Should the plumbers make it to the flag(and in doing so rescue Toad from the castle beyond the flagpole) Toad will be given a huge coin boost which he can spend on gaining new abilities and weapons to pummel the Koopa Troop for some serious cathartic fun.

Additional info;

• Yoshi is atop Peach's Castle(as a shoutout to Mario 64 obviously) and can be used to access new levels where he will THROW you to the next stage in an egg.
• Daisy, as a permanent guest of Princess Peach is also within the castle walls and will be the first summon you'll get. Her violent nature means she can dispatch an onscreen horde quickly.
• Toadsworth would be the man to see regarding spending your coins and powering up your natural Toad skills
• E. Gadd is the man to see for gadgets and items to help thin the crowds.
  
• Summonable partner ideas; Birdo(Costs the least; fires several eggs that KO everything in a straight line), Wanda(basically carpet bombs the area), Toadette(Runs enemies over in her Go Kart; you can ride atop this for invincibility briefly), Daisy(Punch combo that ends with sending everyone on screen flying), Wario and Waluigi(costs the most but if you can afford them they'll hang around longer than the others, throwing bombs everywhere), Nabbit(who runs across the screen, dropping power ups) and Yoshi(summons a stampede of Yoshi)

I thought it'd fit with Toad's characterization of someone who is ridiculously fast and strong, yet still needs rescuing and at the same time his role of being a support character to the Mario Bros. that they can't really do without.

Well, it was just for giggles.

 

[Pacack]

Actually whilst we're talking Toad fan game ideas, I thought I might as well share one I had yesterday. You know, for fun. Read if you like:

Spoiler

I had an idea for a game where you'd play as Toad during an attack on Peach's Castle. Your job would be to clear your way through hordes of Koopa Troop enemies in a sidescrolling beat em up styled game.

Abilities of course include the use of power up items, vegetables, potions, bombs, that bazooka Toad left behind in SMRPG, Spore spawning and even warp pipe summons that bring forth a partner character of choosing to clear the area should you get a high enough combo.

Goomba's would obviously be the easiest opponents to defeat, then Koopa Troopas going up all the way to Hammer Bros., Dry Bones and the incredibly hard to beat Boos. After every 100 enemies a miniboss would arrive(Koopalings, Jr, Petey, Wiggler boss, Boom Boom, etc) whom you have to defeat to continue.

The aim is to thin the crowd enough before you eventually get overrun. Upon losing all of Toad's stamina you are treated to watching as Mario(or Luigi) traverse a classic stage. Don't wipe enough enemies out and the plumber brothers won't make it through the level due to the excessive enemy horde in order to save the Princess. Should the plumbers make it to the flag(and in doing so rescue Toad from the castle beyond the flagpole) Toad will be given a huge coin boost which he can spend on gaining new abilities and weapons to pummel the Koopa Troop for some serious cathartic fun.

Additional info;

• Yoshi is atop Peach's Castle(as a shoutout to Mario 64 obviously) and can be used to access new levels where he will THROW you to the next stage in an egg.
• Daisy, as a permanent guest of Princess Peach is also within the castle walls and will be the first summon you'll get. Her violent nature means she can dispatch an onscreen horde quickly.
• Toadsworth would be the man to see regarding spending your coins and powering up your natural Toad skills
• E. Gadd is the man to see for gadgets and items to help thin the crowds.
  
• Summonable partner ideas; Birdo(Costs the least; fires several eggs that KO everything in a straight line), Wanda(basically carpet bombs the area), Toadette(Runs enemies over in her Go Kart; you can ride atop this for invincibility briefly), Daisy(Punch combo that ends with sending everyone on screen flying), Wario and Waluigi(costs the most but if you can afford them they'll hang around longer than the others, throwing bombs everywhere), Nabbit(who runs across the screen, dropping power ups) and Yoshi(summons a stampede of Yoshi)

I thought it'd fit with Toad's characterization of someone who is ridiculously fast and strong, yet still needs rescuing and at the same time his role of being a support character to the Mario Bros. that they can't really do without.

Well, it was just for giggles.

I'd definitely buy something like that.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Interesting, really... I'm about to take this as Toad (Red-Spot Blue-Vest) become popular with his new blue-spotted cap, while paying tribute to his funny SMB2 NES-color palette.

It's some more support to our belief that Nintendo's seemingly becoming fond of Blue Toad as a representating Toad(s). Dunno what it exactly poses for the him or them but eh.

 

[Pokechu]

Actually whilst we're talking Toad fan game ideas, I thought I might as well share one I had yesterday. You know, for fun. Read if you like:

Spoiler

I had an idea for a game where you'd play as Toad during an attack on Peach's Castle. Your job would be to clear your way through hordes of Koopa Troop enemies in a sidescrolling beat em up styled game.

Abilities of course include the use of power up items, vegetables, potions, bombs, that bazooka Toad left behind in SMRPG, Spore spawning and even warp pipe summons that bring forth a partner character of choosing to clear the area should you get a high enough combo.

Goomba's would obviously be the easiest opponents to defeat, then Koopa Troopas going up all the way to Hammer Bros., Dry Bones and the incredibly hard to beat Boos. After every 100 enemies a miniboss would arrive(Koopalings, Jr, Petey, Wiggler boss, Boom Boom, etc) whom you have to defeat to continue.

The aim is to thin the crowd enough before you eventually get overrun. Upon losing all of Toad's stamina you are treated to watching as Mario(or Luigi) traverse a classic stage. Don't wipe enough enemies out and the plumber brothers won't make it through the level due to the excessive enemy horde in order to save the Princess. Should the plumbers make it to the flag(and in doing so rescue Toad from the castle beyond the flagpole) Toad will be given a huge coin boost which he can spend on gaining new abilities and weapons to pummel the Koopa Troop for some serious cathartic fun.

Additional info;

• Yoshi is atop Peach's Castle(as a shoutout to Mario 64 obviously) and can be used to access new levels where he will THROW you to the next stage in an egg.
• Daisy, as a permanent guest of Princess Peach is also within the castle walls and will be the first summon you'll get. Her violent nature means she can dispatch an onscreen horde quickly.
• Toadsworth would be the man to see regarding spending your coins and powering up your natural Toad skills
• E. Gadd is the man to see for gadgets and items to help thin the crowds.
  
• Summonable partner ideas; Birdo(Costs the least; fires several eggs that KO everything in a straight line), Wanda(basically carpet bombs the area), Toadette(Runs enemies over in her Go Kart; you can ride atop this for invincibility briefly), Daisy(Punch combo that ends with sending everyone on screen flying), Wario and Waluigi(costs the most but if you can afford them they'll hang around longer than the others, throwing bombs everywhere), Nabbit(who runs across the screen, dropping power ups) and Yoshi(summons a stampede of Yoshi)

I thought it'd fit with Toad's characterization of someone who is ridiculously fast and strong, yet still needs rescuing and at the same time his role of being a support character to the Mario Bros. that they can't really do without.

Well, it was just for giggles.

Honestly, Ninty needs to do something like this. Toad is looong overdue for his second game, but I have to admit, Wario Woods is fun.
Another idea could be having Toad to save Toadsworth and call it Worth a Toad or something like that. cx. I hope that cause Blue Toad is a palette swap in GP means that Toad's chances are likely, but alas, it doesn't really affect much. Still hoping doe.

 

[Arcadenik]

Just saw this on Miiverse...

Toad mad? Toad smash?

 

[fogbadge]

now thats scary

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Never saw what the big deal with Toad was.
Yeah he's neat to play as in a Mario game but I don't see what's so interesting for him to be a playable character in Smash.

 

[Pacack]

Never saw what the big deal with Toad was.
Yeah he's neat to play as in a Mario game but I don't see what's so interesting for him to be a playable character in Smash.

It mainly has to do with the fact that he's one of the most iconic Nintendo characters left to not be playable in Super Smash Bros.. The only comparable character would be Meowth.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Never saw what the big deal with Toad was.
Yeah he's neat to play as in a Mario game but I don't see what's so interesting for him to be a playable character in Smash.

Hmmm, well for me it's a sense of nostalgia; Wario's Woods and SMB2 were two of my favourite games as a kid, and Mario Kart...well, Toad's a huge staple of that series to the point he's one of the favourite characters to play as in it by most the world(2nd overall in a recent UK poll just behind Yoshi), plus managing to be a HUGELY popular character in Japan.

It's that PLUS wondering exactly what direction Sakurai would take for Toad that interests me personally;

At worst he'd be a Mario/Peach mixed clone with ice balls/super jump and a spore counter/veggie pluck, but he could also easily be a strong and speedy beat down character with the ability to spawn mushrooms like in Sports Mix to help with area control.

Or maybe he'd be a Venomous Drainer type mixed with a beat down brawler who can hit hard and fast and cause opponents health to be leeched away by mushroom spores.

Or perhaps he'd be a grappler type who'd focus more on picking up opponents and punishing them with a speedier version of the DK carry since Toad has been able to lift multiple times his weight above his head.

Maybe he'd have the ability to walk up walls like he did in Wario's Woods, or maybe he'd be completely and utterly power up themed since the Toad houses often give out items.

Perhaps due to his nature of attacking in Wario's Woods and at various points in SMB2 Toad would be a mad bomber archetype that focuses on explosive splash damage.

He could be a combination of any of the above, or use something completely different like the Go Kart, or using his Captain Toad equipment to fight. Toad has plenty of options available to him and I honestly couldn't call what way Sakurai would go with for him should Toad be considered in future.

The only thing I feel for sure is that Toad would be faster and stronger than the Mario Bros. but lighter with a worse recovery.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I guess I just don't have those nostalgic feelings for Toad.
Best I got relating to him is always preferring to play as Yvan the Blue Toad whenever he's playable.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I guess I just don't have those nostalgic feelings for Toad.
Best I got relating to him is always preferring to play as Yvan the Blue Toad whenever he's playable.

I can understand that. A lot of the Toad appeal does come from nostalgia after all.

Although "Yvan" seems to be slowly becoming the new age Toad. Maybe in 15 years time you'll be arguing for his inclusion should he still not be included at that point.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ugh... I don't want to wait till I'm 40 for Toad to finally be playable in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't worry, you don't have to wait until you're 40.....


....you'll have to wait much longer than that.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Don't worry, you don't have to wait until you're 40.....


....you'll have to wait much longer than that.

Well, it took Oswald more than 110 years to star in a game alongside with Mickey.

I can wait.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Well, it took Oswald more than 110 years to star in a game alongside with Mickey.

I can wait.

Better get some pizza in, we're going to be waiting here a while by the looks of things. No mushrooms obviously, you monsters.

Interestingly though Oswald's position of being owned by a totally different company seems more akin to Geno's situation...how long has SMRPG been around? Subtract that from 110 and we've got a rough estimate for Geno's inclusion.

 

[Arcadenik]

Geno confirmed for SSB16.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Geno confirmed for SSB16.

I'll be a rotten skeleton by the time that comes out.

 

[Dropkick JD]

....I still think Blue Toad is kinda.. just not right. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT NINTENDO. I SHOULDN'T CARE BUT DAMN IT NINTENDO.

THIS TOAD IS NOT THE TOAD. THIS IS NOT THE TOAD I KNOW.

 

[Deleted member]

He's as much "The Toad" as any other Toad, ironically.

 

[YoshiandToad]

He's as much "The Toad" as any other Toad, ironically.

That might be true, but it's not the iconic Toad design.

Technically the red shelled Lakitu in Mario Kart 7 is as much Lakitu as any other, but the green shell is more well recognised. Likewise if Koopa Troopa was being discussed I feel most would go for the more common green shell than a blue shelled one.

Due to many many years of red spots, blue jacket for them to suddenly go blue spots, blue jacket does seem like a strange sudden choice.

From a gameplay point of view obviously it's so each character has a unique colour, but outside meta knowledge it does seem odd we've suddenly gone all Blue all of a sudden.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering how (yes, due to graphic limitations) SMB2 had a blue Toad, I wouldn't say it was sudden. If anything, it's going back to the roots of the "individual" Toad concept.

Even less sudden, considering it's been at least 5 years now that blue Toads have been gaining more spotlight.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Considering how (yes, due to graphic limitations) SMB2 had a blue Toad, I wouldn't say it was sudden. If anything, it's going back to the roots of the "individual" Toad concept.

Even less sudden, considering it's been at least 5 years now that blue Toads have been gaining more spotlight.

To be fair I(and I suspect I'm not alone here) never really considered Blue Toad taking over the role of 'Main Toad' until 3D World; NSMB had him share equal billing with Yellow Toad so I've never really considered that noteworthy as being the "individual" Toad. If you consider Super Mario 3D World as the first role of Blue Toad having a position as the "Individual" Toad then yes, it's pretty sudden. Also that Mario Kart GP inclusion which hammered it home yet further.

Not even touching the SMB2 thing, since you and I both know the manual stated his colours weren't meant to be that in the game.

 

[Arcadenik]

Blue Toad wasn't the only playable Toad in Super Mario 3D World, just so you know...

If not classic Toad, then I would prefer Captain Toad instead before Blue Toad... well... either Captain Toad OR a Blue Toad & Yellow Toad team... but not a standalone Blue Toad.

Eh, we aren't getting a playable Toad in Smash either way. I just cannot comprehend how Sakurai would think that Toon Link is unique as a Link clone and Toad is not unique even as a Mario/Peach semi-clone hybrid. But that's Sakurai for ya!

 

[Welshy91]

Blue Toad wasn't the only playable Toad in Super Mario 3D World, just so you know...

If not classic Toad, then I would prefer Captain Toad instead before Blue Toad... well... either Captain Toad OR a Blue Toad & Yellow Toad team... but not a standalone Blue Toad.

Eh, we aren't getting a playable Toad in Smash either way. I just cannot comprehend how Sakurai would think that Toon Link is unique as a Link clone and Toad is not unique even as a Mario/Peach semi-clone hybrid. But that's Sakurai for ya!

To be fair, Toon Link has been the main character in a few games in one of the most popular Nintendo franchises. Toad is a background character in the most popular franchise that doesn't really need more representation.

 

[Arcadenik]

To be fair, Toon Link has been the main character in a few games in one of the most popular Nintendo franchises. Toad is a background character in the most popular franchise that doesn't really need more representation.

And yet, Sakurai couldn't be bothered to give Toon Link moves that were exclusive to Toon games... no Deku Leaf, no Skull Hammer, no Four Sword... he has to be a clone of Link. Honestly, I wish Sakurai had cut Toon Link and made Link better by giving him Toon Link moveset and properties. And then for once, we would finally have an adult Link that doesn't suck in Smash.

And I do not want to hear any more "Mario doesn't need any more reps" arguments. People said the same thing before Rosalina was confirmed... we "didn't need" Rosalina but we got her anyway. Maybe YOU don't need a 5th or a 6th Mario character, but there are many other people who would have liked to play as Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, etc.

 

[Curious Villager]

Eh, we aren't getting a playable Toad in Smash either way. I just cannot comprehend how Sakurai would think that Toon Link is unique as a Link clone and Toad is not unique even as a Mario/Peach semi-clone hybrid. But that's Sakurai for ya!

When did Sakurai ever state that?