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Toad/Captain Toad for Smash, Toad Brigade Assemble!

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Vergeben said there’s a 7th gen Pokemon newcomer but it’s not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu... and one of his sources said Incineroar.
Didn't he also say there was a Square character?

Just throwing this out there, it was kinda sickening to watch that whole direct and see how prominent Toad was throughout it.

It clearly shows to me that nintendo as a whole considers toad a highly important and reconizable character.Yet he is still omitted from smash.
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Reminder that everyone here advertising Nintendo products bar Toad is playable in Smash. Okay, Toon Zelda isn't either but we do have a playable Zelda at least.

The dixie support thread has in their thread title “the last nintendo all-star.” Dont get me wrong I also believe dixie deserves to be in, but this last direct solidifyed to me THE nintendo all- star still missing is toad.
In all fairness, I'm certain I saw the Dixie thread creator mention Toad was also an All Star in a post stating Dixie was the last one to appear in some context in Ultimate which I suppose is fair.

Not that it matters because being an All Star isn't important according to some folks on these boards.

Inkling, K. Rool, Ridley and Isabelle all are defiantly Nintendo All Stars co-incidentally, and Simon is a video game big namer. The echoes are smaller characters with more niche fanbases thus far.
 
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I kind of have my doubts that we're seeing a playable Toad this time. The regular Toads are part of Peach and Daisy's movesets and Captain Toad is in the background of New Donk City Hall. Something I doubt they would have done if they decided to make him playable.

But whether it be regular or captain, I think Toad would be a fantastic addition. My preference is for Captain Toad though.

He is ready for adventure and I am ready to support!
 

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I still hope for a chance at DLC, given that the upgrade to Toad's role is minor in terms of dev effort and the NDC background role of Captain Toad is something that could easily just not appear if he's in battle.

Maybe TT wasn't enough to convince Sakurai, or maybe he had to be set aside since the base game has limited slots. In that case, he'd be a fitting and hot-selling DLC as a Mario character and truly, a Nintendo All-Star.
 

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Reminder that everyone here advertising Nintendo products bar Toad is playable in Smash. Okay, Toon Zelda isn't either but we do have a playable Zelda at least.

Not that it matters because being an All Star isn't important according to some folks on these boards.
That's really unfortunate... especially if Sakurai shares those views with "some folks". I wish there was something that can change Sakurai's mind about Toad, Dixie Kong, and Meowth.

EDIT: Yeah, Vergeben said there was a Square Enix character but he doesn't know who it is.
 
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I know just the one to do it too...

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EDIT: Yeah, Vergeben said there was a Square Enix character but he doesn't know who it is.
URGH.

Anyone but Geno please. Lara Croft, Another Final Fantasy character, Slime, a Dragon Quest hero, Agnes from Bravely Default, I'd even take Sora who opens up a whole heap of potential issues for Smash at this point.

Losing out to a one time Mario spinoff side character with no future from two decades ago that doesn't even show up for half of said game would be the biggest insult to Toad, Captain Toad, Waluigi and Paper Mario fans.

Paper Mario is a better RPG representative with an actual future, Toad and Captain Toad are just bigger characters and one of them frankly should have made it in by this point and Waluigi gets it in the neck for being a spinoff character who is popular because of memes yet Geno is a far more minor spinoff character than Waluigi and is popular because Sakurai mentioned him once; aka memetic mutation into actual popularity.

And yet I know full well Sakurai is going to shove him in due to personal bias despite there being no objective justification for the inclusion of someone so small. If this was Mario Kart I'd happily welcome Geno and Mallow in over the likes of Monty Mole or Parabones and other minor enemies, but whilst the main cast of Mario still aren't playable including Geno to me is like including Chunky Kong over K. Rool and Dixie Kong.
 

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URGH.

Anyone but Geno please. Lara Croft, Another Final Fantasy character, Slime, a Dragon Quest hero, Agnes from Bravely Default, I'd even take Sora who opens up a whole heap of potential issues for Smash at this point.

Losing out to a one time Mario spinoff side character with no future from two decades ago that doesn't even show up for half of said game would be the biggest insult to Toad, Captain Toad, Waluigi and Paper Mario fans.

Paper Mario is a better RPG representative with an actual future, Toad and Captain Toad are just bigger characters and one of them frankly should have made it in by this point and Waluigi gets it in the neck for being a spinoff character who is popular because of memes yet Geno is a far more minor spinoff character than Waluigi and is popular because Sakurai mentioned him once; aka memetic mutation into actual popularity.

And yet I know full well Sakurai is going to shove him in due to personal bias despite there being no objective justification for the inclusion of someone so small. If this was Mario Kart I'd happily welcome Geno and Mallow in over the likes of Monty Mole or Parabones and other minor enemies, but whilst the main cast of Mario still aren't playable including Geno to me is like including Chunky Kong over K. Rool and Dixie Kong.
i share that sentiment


you guys think i should have a link to this thread in my sig? like others do with their threads
 
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Good work keeping the hope alive. There is not many of us, but those who are here truly appreciate and cherish the character which is more than I can say for a lot of character support bases (of which a lot of them are there for the "community" or "want to be on a winning team"). I already said before that I am not optimistic on Toad (any form of him) being playable in Ultimate, either on the base roster or as DLC.

Toad quite frankly has the most uphill battle of any deserving character ever for Smash Bros. In his own series he has to deal with Waluigi and Geno, whom have hordes of fans that shout endlessly on social media about how its an injustice those characters are not yet playable in Smash Bros., so the game designers likely see both of those characters as a higher priority than any form of Toad. We also have Paper Mario whom has an entire sub-series dedicated to him and received a new game as recently as 2016. There is also the expectations from many that Toad "is boring" or "not a fighter". I feel Isabelle puts to rest the latter argument as well as his new depiction of him within Peach's moveset.

With regards to Captain Toad, I am curious whether the player or the Captain himself can interact like you can with Pauline and her band. If he merely has a background cameo role, he easily could be swapped out if they decide to make Captain Toad DLC.

The recent direct has quite literally cemented Toadette as a "rising star". Toadette has a lot of critical roles in recent years. She was a playable character in Super Mario Run (of which even Daisy was playable, and the only two characters that were playable in that game that are not yet playable in Smash Bros. are Toadette and Toad himself). She was the co-star of Captain Toad. She had a very important NPC role in Super Mario Odyssey (she hands you more moons than any other character in the game). And now she has replaced Blue Toad as one of the playable characters for New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe.

I am wondering how Toad fans would feel if somehow Toadette were to make it in as a playable character. I am uncertain of this myself. I very much doubt it would happen, however, hypothetically, if it did, I would be okay with it as long as it was a backdoor way to get Toad in as an echo fighter. I might also be endeared to Toadette if they remade Wario's Woods with her as the protagonist, but I doubt that game is ever getting a new installment (which is a shame considering its my favorite Nintendo made puzzle game ever). Toadette is a charming, cute, and endearing character to be sure, but she certainly does not have the credentials to be in over Toad. However, I will say right now her resume does look more impressive than Waluigi and Geno, however, unlike those two, she does not have legions of passionate fans, which thus, most likely makes her viewed as a lower priority than those two.

Its a shame what happened with Toad in the Smash Bros. series. Becoming part of Peach's moveset could very well have been an eternal hell that condemned all forms to the character. If Peach had anything else for her neutral special back during Melee, I am confident Toad would have been playable by now. However, as it stands, I am not optimistic on Toad ever happening. However, as I said before, I felt the same way about Ridley after what Sakurai said about him back during November 2014, and it was a miracle for Sakurai to do a 180 on the character only a year after having made those statements.

Despite all odds, Toad fans must press on. There is no other fanbase out there for a character that has the odds stacked against them yet at the same as deserving, as Toad is. Hopefully someday, Toad will join the roster too.
 
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URGH.

Anyone but Geno please. Lara Croft, Another Final Fantasy character, Slime, a Dragon Quest hero, Agnes from Bravely Default, I'd even take Sora who opens up a whole heap of potential issues for Smash at this point.

Losing out to a one time Mario spinoff side character with no future from two decades ago that doesn't even show up for half of said game would be the biggest insult to Toad, Captain Toad, Waluigi and Paper Mario fans.

Paper Mario is a better RPG representative with an actual future, Toad and Captain Toad are just bigger characters and one of them frankly should have made it in by this point and Waluigi gets it in the neck for being a spinoff character who is popular because of memes yet Geno is a far more minor spinoff character than Waluigi and is popular because Sakurai mentioned him once; aka memetic mutation into actual popularity.

And yet I know full well Sakurai is going to shove him in due to personal bias despite there being no objective justification for the inclusion of someone so small. If this was Mario Kart I'd happily welcome Geno and Mallow in over the likes of Monty Mole or Parabones and other minor enemies, but whilst the main cast of Mario still aren't playable including Geno to me is like including Chunky Kong over K. Rool and Dixie Kong.
Yep. Couldn't have said it better myself.
To echo past statements from this thread, I legit do not understand all the hubbub about Geno. Even ignoring his one-hit wonder status, as someone who played through a sizable chunk of SMRPG some years back, there's really not much to him. Like, take away the arm cannon, the nostalgia factor (if it's even there to begin with), & the fancy magic n' spells, & you're left with (what I'd consider) a pretty flat character.
I mean, hey, it's almost fitting, considering he is a wooden doll.

In terms of team members, I'd say Mallow is much better. He's got the look of a Mario character, has personality, & even a story arc. Hell, Toad with his one presumably throwaway-joke line about his bazooka entertained me more than Geno. IDK, Gee just doesn't do anything for me, gee. I did enjoy my time with SMRPG as a 10-12 year old, but I honestly have more nostalgia for the fan creations it spawned than the game itself, like the Rawest Forest flash MVs, & the abridged Family Guy parody series.


All that being said...

DISCLAIMER TO ANY GENO SUPPORTER: I may not have the highest opinion of your character, but that should have no bearing on your choice. You like what you like, of course, & there ain't a snowball's chance that my opinion is gospel anyhow, so maybe we can agree to disagree? Besides, it's not like my thoughts will sway the majority consensus around this guy.
 
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Toad is back in the news!
It may not be family friendly, but we cannot go without discussing the *most* discussion Toad has gotten ... possibly ever, on social media.
#Toaddick is trending, thanks to America's favorite rebel porn star, Stormy Daniels, bringing Toad into the limelight. She compared the private's of our POTUS to said character.

Let's discuss.
 

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Toad is back in the news!
It may not be family friendly, but we cannot go without discussing the *most* discussion Toad has gotten ... possibly ever, on social media.
#Toaddick is trending, thanks to America's favorite rebel porn star, Stormy Daniels, bringing Toad into the limelight. She compared the private's of our POTUS to said character.

Let's discuss.
Of all the things I was expecting to read today about Toad, this was not one of them.

But if we're discussing this, this seems appropriate;

 

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I will be blatantly clear: I am no fan of Trump, and I especially am no fan of how Toad was shoved into focus today.

However, it's pretty...interesting to have this much coverage of Toad in non-gaming outlets. We have people defending him, creating tributes to him, and just in general a lot of people coming out about how much they love Toad and playing as him.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/18/1...toad-he-is-a-good-boy-please-retweet-nintendo

So, uh, silver lining, I guess?
 
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I will be blatantly clear: I am no fan of Trump, and I especially am no fan of how Toad was shoved into focus today.

However, it's pretty...interesting to have this much coverage of Toad in non-gaming outlets. We have people defending him, creating tributes to him, and just in general a lot of people coming out about how much they love Toad and playing as him.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/18/1...toad-he-is-a-good-boy-please-retweet-nintendo

So, uh, silver lining, I guess?
This is the best thing that could have happened to Toad.
I understand not liking the comparison... it's quite a low blow...
but any publicity!
 
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In slightly less genital related news, here's a pic of two good royal retainer boys I did today who get tarnished with the 'generic species' brush

I guess with Toad's latest trend, and BWD's nickname being 'Dee' they could also be something else.
 

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Let's... not talk about porn-related stuff, thanks. Just simply drop it and move on to your regular conversations. Alright?
 

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With Toadette being so heavily pushed in all Mario games lately, like Odyssey and NSMBU Deluxe, it points really good signs for a possible Captain Toad/Toadette DLC pick.

As said, Captain Toad/Toadette are perfect male/female alts of each other like all the others, and between their own game and their appearances in all the others, I think there's a strong chance for DLC. Not being an Assist trophy and just a stage background helps a lot. If anything Toadette's huge push and surge of popularity in Nintendo lately really bodes well for her getting Toad playable in general.
 

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Not really a Toad supporter, but I'd like to give my two cents on the little I've seen for Toad moveset ideas.

I've noticed a lot of people jumping through hoops to give a plausible explanation for Toad being able to jump in Smash, some (including that nifty animation) even suggesting that he shouldn't jump at all. The whole jumping thing should be a non-issue though, what with the Smash Bros. series not being afraid of pushing past canon (Ridley not being too big, Robin using nosferatu, Olimar being able to jump, etc.).

Just give Toad poor jumps (as a plus this doubles as a sweet Super Mario Bros. 2 referance), then give him a good recovery to balance things out.
 

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Food for thought, if Captain Toad becomes playable for Smash 6, (Unless Toadette can be his Alfonzo on New Donk City) would he be able to get his regular iconic Toad design (red spots/blue vest) for an alt ala Wario but with the headlight kept on to differentiate him?
 
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Food for thought, if Captain Toad becomes playable for Smash 6, (Unless Toadette can be his Alfonzo on New Donk City) would he be able to get his regular iconic Toad design (red spots/blue vest) for an alt ala Wario but with the headlight kept on to differentiate him?
I would hope so, his original design is iconic enough, but I'd fully expect his moveset based on Captain Toad. Similar to how Wario is almost entirely Wario Ware inspired and very little to nothing from Wario Land or Mario Kart/sports games.
 

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Not really a Toad supporter, but I'd like to give my two cents on the little I've seen for Toad moveset ideas.

I've noticed a lot of people jumping through hoops to give a plausible explanation for Toad being able to jump in Smash, some (including that nifty animation) even suggesting that he shouldn't jump at all. The whole jumping thing should be a non-issue though, what with the Smash Bros. series not being afraid of pushing past canon (Ridley not being too big, Robin using nosferatu, Olimar being able to jump, etc.).

Just give Toad poor jumps (as a plus this doubles as a sweet Super Mario Bros. 2 referance), then give him a good recovery to balance things out.
To be honest I agree, and it's the thing the Captain Toad video gets the most comments on (outside people thinking he'd be too OP or nerfed too much. Guess I created a weird balance?).

The thing is, when I sat down to think about Captain Toad and how he'd move, a lot of detractors arguments were "HE CANNOT JUMP, IT WILL LITERALLY DESTROY WHAT MAKES THE CHARACTER THE CHARACTER" as loudly as possible.

Now personally I think Captain Toad jumping is fine, although I can see what people mean since unlike with someone like Ness or Link, Captain Toad's lack of jump seems to be considered a weird quirk.

I've been thinking about it a fair bit, and I think I've picked something for him that I may add to the version two video, but thought I'd run it past everyone here first since I trust my Brigade members:

So here's Captain Toad's 'Jump':

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It uses a few key elements of Captain Toad Treasure Tracker; namely Captain can't jump, but CAN manipulate his enemies in order to get through the 'stage'.

Obviously the entire game is about Toadette(book 1 + 3) or Captain Toad (book 2) being kidnapped by a giant bird. Wingo himself is WAY too big to appear for a single jump, but the Flaptors who debuted in Treasure Tracker? Now that's a different story all together. Captain Toad would enter this animation every time he jumped, although the 'jump' would still act and work like a regular jump.

Due to the Toads nature of being awful jumpers I still want it to be a very low jump(and/or double jump but with a high up special recovery to compensate).

Thoughts everyone?

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In other Captain Toad based news; we can now have Captain Toad, Toadette, Wingo and Draggadon as our avatars on the Switch. Changed mine immedietly today!


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Food for thought, if Captain Toad becomes playable for Smash 6, (Unless Toadette can be his Alfonzo on New Donk City) would he be able to get his regular iconic Toad design (red spots/blue vest) for an alt ala Wario but with the headlight kept on to differentiate him?
If the headlamp is vital to the character's moveset, I say go for it. After all, Captain Toad in Galaxy is basically wearing regular Toads gettup + backpack and headlamp albeit his waistcoat/vest thing is red not blue.
 

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Let's... not talk about porn-related stuff, thanks. Just simply drop it and move on to your regular conversations. Alright?
Thank you!

I hate that the reason Toad is trending on social media is not because people want Toad for Smash but because some left-wing attention seeker body shamed President Trump by comparing Toad to his anatomy.

Okay, let’s just move on from this. We don’t need the toxic media dragging Toad through the mud just to attack the POTUS. Keep Toad out of this. This is me dropping it and moving on... now!

So... about Toad. What’s his future in New Super Mario Bros. games? Nintendo dropped Blue Toad in favor of Peach Toadette/Peachette. Is Nintendo phasing Toad out? It’s strange how instead of adding Daisy, they chose to add Toadette and invent Peachette. They could have added Daisy if they really wanted a playable princess without compromising Peach’s traditional role... but instead they cut Blue Toad, added Toadette, and unintentionally changed the relationship between Peach and the Toads by having Toadette transform into Peachette. All because Nintendo wanted to make an Super Easy Mode... even though we already have Nabbit for that.
 

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Food for thought, if Captain Toad becomes playable for Smash 6, (Unless Toadette can be his Alfonzo on New Donk City) would he be able to get his regular iconic Toad design (red spots/blue vest) for an alt ala Wario but with the headlight kept on to differentiate him?
I would think that depends on how much he is based on Captain Toad. If the head lamp and backpack tie into his moveset in any way, I don't expect a regular Toad alt.
 

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The “can’t jump” argument is probably hands down the most baffling ludicrous argument I’ve ever seen for a character yet.

I just...what?

First off, unless it’s canon in the Mario-verse that Captain Toad literally can’t jump (which is invalid anyway since Smash ain’t canon.), basically half of the existing characters in the roster don’t “jump” either espically for those from RPG games.
 

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That's really unfortunate... especially if Sakurai shares those views with "some folks". I wish there was something that can change Sakurai's mind about Toad, Dixie Kong, and Meowth.

EDIT: Yeah, Vergeben said there was a Square Enix character but he doesn't know who it is.
I figure that Sakurai would need a stroke of inspiration before making Toad playable. Even frigging Bomberman isn't immune to this, given that he couldn't get anything more substantial than an AT status this time.

Sure, it's easy to go "even I could come up with a moveset!" but it takes a keen mind to make sure it can work for the character and make them distinct enough in playstyle (at least more than the FE lords), even if it isn't perfect.

In regards to Meowth, he does finally have a trojan horse in his favor, since Jessie and James are back for Let's Go, regardless of how divisive that game is.
 

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First off, unless it’s canon in the Mario-verse that Captain Toad literally can’t jump (which is invalid anyway since Smash ain’t canon.), basically half of the existing characters in the roster don’t “jump” either espically for those from RPG games.
Honestly Captain Toad's ability to jump gets flip flopped a lot.

Nintendo has put out the following for the 'Defining feature of Captain Toad' brigade:

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Nintendo there even releasing a Mario Maker stage specifically designed to avoid having Captain Toad jump.

HOWEVER; There's also examples Nintendo have put out which make it clear the Captain CAN jump:

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Now, this is the ending for Captain Toad Treasure Tracker on the Wii U, but the Switch ending is slightly different so this little leap may have been retconned?

Mario Galaxy 2 also has this little exchange with Mail Toad:
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So it's two for two really. Presumably he only can't jump because his backpack is stuffed full of treasure.
 

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In my headcanon I always pictured Captain Toad as a hire for either Wario or Captain Syrup. The reason he is risking his life for treasure is to keep either Wario or Syrup off his back from a worse fate. But what Wario and Captain Syrup don't know is deep down Captain Toad wants the treasure all for himself and is a cold blooded killer with his pick axe....

Captain Toad for Smash Ultimate!!
 
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Thank you!

I hate that the reason Toad is trending on social media is not because people want Toad for Smash but because some left-wing attention seeker body shamed President Trump by comparing Toad to his anatomy.

Okay, let’s just move on from this. We don’t need the toxic media dragging Toad through the mud just to attack the POTUS. Keep Toad out of this. This is me dropping it and moving on... now!

So... about Toad. What’s his future in New Super Mario Bros. games? Nintendo dropped Blue Toad in favor of Peach Toadette/Peachette. Is Nintendo phasing Toad out? It’s strange how instead of adding Daisy, they chose to add Toadette and invent Peachette. They could have added Daisy if they really wanted a playable princess without compromising Peach’s traditional role... but instead they cut Blue Toad, added Toadette, and unintentionally changed the relationship between Peach and the Toads by having Toadette transform into Peachette. All because Nintendo wanted to make an Super Easy Mode... even though we already have Nabbit for that.
Toad's future in New Super Mario Bros. games?

I'd say they're going to phase him out as Buckenberry disappeared but honestly I'm surprised Ala-gold is still here instead of good old regular Toad. No offence to Ala-Gold, but Yellow Toad is one of the worst colour schemes available.
I may have a red spotted Toad bias, but I can JUST ABOUT put up with Buckenberry if I have to. Ala-Gold's just horrendous though.

Toadette actually has a decently sized fanbase, so it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to keep her in future games. At this rate Toad/Captain Toad will have to get in Smash piggybacking off HER instead of the other way round. What a world.

I too am not keen on the fact you can't have four players without one of the 'easy mode' cast on your side. I guess you could avoid picking up the crown as Toadette, but between her and Nabbit it's unavoidable.
 

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I too am not keen on the fact you can't have four players without one of the 'easy mode' cast on your side. I guess you could avoid picking up the crown as Toadette, but between her and Nabbit it's unavoidable.
This is the one detail keeping me from touching any of the new super Mario bros games for sure. Worst case scenario why not just have Blue Toad/Yellow Toad/Toadette/Nabbit all in at once? We already have 5 playable characters, is number six really gonna break the game?
 

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Is it just me, or does Peachette just function exactly as the Super Acorn does?
...what's the point of Peachette, then?
 
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Here’s something pretty neat! I was downloading the Switch’s online app when I noticed that Toad is literally the face of the app! Mario isn’t even to be seen here (except for the Mario Kart screenshot.) Glad to see Nintendo’s pushing Toad so much!
 

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As I said before, Toadette being the way to get Toad into Smash in general is pretty funny. Nintendo is treating Toadette like they did Isabelle with Animal Crossing, and Isabelle got into Mario Kart 8, promotions, and now Smash.

Toad/Toadette for DLC, let's go.
 

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to allow people to play as peach with out breaking the established story
They really should have put Daisy in the game if they want a playable princess without breaking the established story.

It would be ideal to have Mario, Luigi, Toad (red spots, blue vest), Toadette, Nabbit (Easy mode), and Daisy (Peachette mode, I guess).

But now... Blue Toad is gone... and Peachette exists. :facepalm:
 

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The “can’t jump” argument is probably hands down the most baffling ludicrous argument I’ve ever seen for a character yet.

I just...what?

First off, unless it’s canon in the Mario-verse that Captain Toad literally can’t jump (which is invalid anyway since Smash ain’t canon.), basically half of the existing characters in the roster don’t “jump” either espically for those from RPG games.
The argument is that the entire premise for Captain Toad and its gameplay is dependent on the fact that he cannot jump. It is in direct opposition to the original Mario games, based not just on jumping but using it as a weapon and for speed. Captain Toad has to use his environment to problem solve and evade.

I want his moveset to reflect that which makes him unique. I think it is the best shot he has.
 

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They really should have put Daisy in the game if they want a playable princess without breaking the established story.

It would be ideal to have Mario, Luigi, Toad (red spots, blue vest), Toadette, Nabbit (Easy mode), and Daisy (Peachette mode, I guess).

But now... Blue Toad is gone... and Peachette exists. :facepalm:
They already put Daisy in Super Mario Run, so far at least one of Nintendo's divisions is allowed to use her outside of spin-offs without feeling like they're stepping on the toes of the original staff of Super Mario Land, her debut game (yes, it's silly, but apparently it's some kind of cultural habit). The only way for Daisy to get in non-mobile entries would be for more divisions to be merged, which is what led to her being in Run in the first place.

So now that the red and blue Toads are their own characters as of TT and SM3DW, this only leaves yellow Toad, Toadette, and the weirdest compromise ever.

At least they didn't use Rosalina, she's overexposed as is.
 

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They really should have put Daisy in the game if they want a playable princess without breaking the established story.

It would be ideal to have Mario, Luigi, Toad (red spots, blue vest), Toadette, Nabbit (Easy mode), and Daisy (Peachette mode, I guess).

But now... Blue Toad is gone... and Peachette exists. :facepalm:
frankly daisy has enough exposure as she needs, i think blue toad being gone due to people complaining about there being two toads in the nsmb games
 

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I just realized something about Peachette. The power-up to do it either means 1 or 2 things

Either 1. Every single Mario species now has the capability of becoming some sort of Peach-shaped fusion as we see with Peachette and now the very popular in fan-art (Including very.... naughty images) Bowsette

or 2. Peach was a Toad all along in a huge Mario lore change even if Baby Peach and small Peach should contradict this

Either way, it's crazy. xD
 
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