Toad/Captain Toad for Smash, Toad Brigade Assemble!

[YoshiandToad]

So guys, do you think Ashley's gonna be shown tomorrow to coincide with Warioware Gold's release?

Right now tons are banking on her atm despite Captain getting no such reveal himself.
I guess being not shown as an Assist does more to you than being relegated to special move for umpteenth time.

I have no clue why tons are. My best guess would be they showcase the WarioWare stage tbh.

I feel like we're only going to get newcomer reveals through directs at this point.

 

[SonicMario]

So guys, do you think Ashley's gonna be shown tomorrow to coincide with Warioware Gold's release?

Right now tons are banking on her atm despite Captain getting no such reveal himself.
I guess being not shown as an Assist does more to you than being relegated to special move for umpteenth time.

Barring the chance they announce it today out of nowhere, I feel like we would already know if they were going to reveal a newcomer soon. It sounds like one of those things Nintendo would want to tell us at least a few days in advance.

Granted I'm kind of very positive we should get a direct this month. Not just for Smash's sake but there's stuff like the Online service that starts in September. And more details on stuff like Super Mario Party and other things. No matter where it's in August I think Ashley does have a chance of being revealed. But when it came to directs even in Smash 4's case, it felt like it could be anyone. So Ashley isn't really alone.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

I have no clue why tons are. My best guess would be they showcase the WarioWare stage tbh.

I feel like we're only going to get newcomer reveals through directs at this point.

There could also be one of the special livestreams like Robin and Lucina had, and a very slim chance we get a curveball like an Echo thrown on the website or even a reveal at the upcoming Gamescom since Reggie's said they like to make announcements there.

But yeah, little chance we get reveals that coincide with release/anniversary dates. The only instance where it happened for newcomers was the Little Mac trailer falling on the 30th anniversary of the arcade Punch-Out in America, and all others were completely arbitrary.

 

[TreeBranch]

So guys, do you think Ashley's gonna be shown tomorrow to coincide with Warioware Gold's release?

Right now tons are banking on her atm despite Captain getting no such reveal himself.
I guess being not shown as an Assist does more to you than being relegated to special move for umpteenth time.

Nah, I wouldn't count on it, although I'd like to be surprised! We probably won't get another newcomer reveal until the next direct.

 

[CWCPT00]

So guys, do you think Ashley's gonna be shown tomorrow to coincide with Warioware Gold's release?

Right now tons are banking on her atm despite Captain getting no such reveal himself.
I guess being not shown as an Assist does more to you than being relegated to special move for umpteenth time.

A character being announced to coincide a games release rarely happens and I am 99% sure it won’t be happening for Ashley. I don’t see her happening at all due to the series she’s apart of as it hasn’t been a big seller recently, especially after the failure of WarioWare Gold.

 

[YoshiandToad]

A character being announced to coincide a games release rarely happens and I am 99% sure it won’t be happening for Ashley. I don’t see her happening at all due to the series she’s apart of as it hasn’t been a big seller recently, especially after the failure of WarioWare Gold.

WarioWare Gold is already considered a failure?

I know Game and Wario on the Wii U was a HUGE flop but they for some reason tried to get away from what made WarioWare great in the first place by removing the microgames and putting in longer games. The public didn't like it, and it didn't help it was an early title on the Wii U...

 

[SonicMario]

It's too early to say Gold is a failure considering it's been barely out a week in Japan and it comes out tomorrow for the West.

But if Ashley's in Smash. Gold's sales won't impact her anyway because she would have already been planned, if sales disappoint maybe it'd be a knock on her if say she's saved as a potential DLC candidate (In which if she's not playable, with her assist trophy still suspiciously missing. It wouldn't exactly be an Issac situation (No offense meant to any Issac supporters here) since Ashley is much more well-known and relevant).

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Don't think I ever dropped in this thread to say I support before, so I'll do it now!

This idea has probably been iterated before, but I wonder if captain toad could use ladders as apart of his recovery? It might actually be viable sense you can actually attack while on a ladder now.

 

[SonicMario]

Don't think I ever dropped in this thread to say I support before, so I'll do it now!

This idea has probably been iterated before, but I wonder if captain toad could use ladders as apart of his recovery? It might actually be viable sense you can actually attack while on a ladder now.

...Huh, I never thought about that before. Though I haven't seen too much of Treasure Tracker. Is there alot of Ladders in the levels that could justify Captain Toad spawning them?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

...Huh, I never thought about that before. Though I haven't seen too much of Treasure Tracker. Is there alot of Ladders in the levels that could justify Captain Toad spawning them?

Ladders are in there a moderate amount, but i would say the whole terrain shifting mechanic is much more common throughout the game.

 

[CWCPT00]

WarioWare Gold is already considered a failure?

I know Game and Wario on the Wii U was a HUGE flop but they for some reason tried to get away from what made WarioWare great in the first place by removing the microgames and putting in longer games. The public didn't like it, and it didn't help it was an early title on the Wii U...

It's too early to say Gold is a failure considering it's been barely out a week in Japan and it comes out tomorrow for the West.

But if Ashley's in Smash. Gold's sales won't impact her anyway because she would have already been planned, if sales disappoint maybe it'd be a knock on her if say she's saved as a potential DLC candidate (In which if she's not playable, with her assist trophy still suspiciously missing. It wouldn't exactly be an Issac situation (No offense meant to any Issac supporters here) since Ashley is much more well-known and relevant).

In Europe, Gold hasn’t had any success at all e.g. WarioWare Gold charted in at 39th position ONLY one position above Mario Kart 7 in the UK charts, (yes, I know the UK isn’t Nintendo’s biggest market but it does give a bit of an indication on how well Gold is going to do everywhere else except from Japan maybe) also, compare that to other titles which have been around longer like Mario Tennis Aces 10th place, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker 15th place, Octopath Traveler 22nd place and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze 36th place. The game simply isn’t going to do well mainly because of the system it’s on.

 

[YoshiandToad]

...Huh, I never thought about that before. Though I haven't seen too much of Treasure Tracker. Is there alot of Ladders in the levels that could justify Captain Toad spawning them?

There's certainly enough you could easily justify Captain Toad spawning them; famously he's climbing one when Draggadon roars, knocking the ladder, platform and Captain Toad off kilter, smashing Draggadon in the skull and saving Captain Toad from certain death.

As King Sonnn DeDeDoo states though, the terrain shift is probably a more famous mechanic within the game.

In Europe, Gold hasn’t had any success at all e.g. WarioWare Gold charted in at 39th position ONLY one position above Mario Kart 7 in the UK charts, (yes, I know the UK isn’t Nintendo’s biggest market but it does give a bit of an indication on how well Gold is going to do everywhere else except from Japan maybe) also, compare that to other titles which have been around longer like Mario Tennis Aces 10th place, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker 15th place, Octopath Traveler 22nd place and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze 36th place. The game simply isn’t going to do well mainly because of the system it’s on.

Captain Toad coming in 15th isn't too bad at all. Wasn't it below Octopath Traveler in it's week of release? Nice to see people still giving the Wii U sleeper hit a chance, at least here in the UK(which I notice a good chunk of Captain's fans are from).

 

[CWCPT00]

There's certainly enough you could easily justify Captain Toad spawning them; famously he's climbing one when Draggadon roars, knocking the ladder, platform and Captain Toad off kilter, smashing Draggadon in the skull and saving Captain Toad from certain death.

As King Sonnn DeDeDoo states though, the terrain shift is probably a more famous mechanic within the game.



Captain Toad coming in 15th isn't too bad at all. Wasn't it below Octopath Traveler in it's week of release? Nice to see people still giving the Wii U sleeper hit a chance, at least here in the UK(which I notice a good chunk of Captain's fans are from).

Yeah, if you compare Octopath and Captain Toad in the UK charts it shows that Captain Toad will most likely have better legs then Octopath.

Captain Toad:
Week 1 - 4th
Week 2 - 17th
Week 3 - 15th

Octopath Traveler:
Week 1 - 3rd
Week 2 - 15th
Week 3 - 22nd

 

[Arcadenik]

WarioWare Gold is already considered a failure?

I know Game and Wario on the Wii U was a HUGE flop but they for some reason tried to get away from what made WarioWare great in the first place by removing the microgames and putting in longer games. The public didn't like it, and it didn't help it was an early title on the Wii U...

The only good thing about Game & Wario was that it gave us the Gamer stage for Smash.

 

[CWCPT00]

Smash Direct on the 8th. I think this is Captain Toad’s make or break now, if he’s not announced in this Direct then he isn’t going to be in the base game at all.

 

[SonicMario]

Smash Direct on the 8th. I think this is Captain Toad’s make or break now, if he’s not announced in this Direct then he isn’t going to be in the base game at all.

I'm not so sure about that.

Sure there will be predictions. Particularly leaning toward stuff that is relevant to this month like Ashley (Wario Ware Gold), Elma (Xenoblade 2 DLC Datamine), Any other characters prominent in leaks/rumors, etc.

But history shows Smash Directs aren't easy to predict. It could literally be anyone at this point. I don't necessarily think Captain Toad will be among the characters announced myself, but I am saying it's not necessarily a make or break for any character right now.

Unless Sakurai outright states all the newcomers in this direct is all that's left in the base game. Then it's not really make or break right now for anybody.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

It honestly depends.

Captain Toad's prime time for reveal has already gone by in July, and it doesn't help we're in same chipping block situation as Sm4sh due Toad Special-conundrum.
I personally don't think Captain's chances are so hot right now due this, so I'm bit preparing for Sakurai to show what he did already with him in the Direct.

 

[fogbadge]

out of principle i will not get my hopes up

 

[SonicMario]

It honestly depends.

Captain Toad's prime time for reveal has already gone by in July, and it doesn't help we're in same chipping block situation as Sm4sh due Toad Special-conundrum.
I personally don't think Captain's chances are so hot right now due this, so I'm bit preparing for Sakurai to show what he did already with him in the Direct.

Yeah I'm not saying Captain Toad's chances are that high. Maybe if Ashley or even Elma is announced in this direct when they are kinda relevant this month may make things look even worse.

Still, it seemed like most of Mario character support gave up after Rosalina was revealed in Smash 4. But then Bowser Jr. happened anyway. So I don't think it's make or break 100% until either Captain Toad is revealed playable, unfortunately shown as an assist trophy or background character in a Captain Toad stage in this direct, or not playable amongst the final roster reveal in the final weeks).

 

[YoshiandToad]

Well it could be literally anyone. The only thing that'll kill the dream for me bar Captain Toad being shown off as an assist trophy, is if we get either Geno or Paper Mario with the Mario symbol.

Whilst there's no guarantee the Mario series is done(I fully expect one more Mario character, I just don't know who, I do think either Paper Mario or Geno appearing as anything other than an echo will immedietely kill any expectation of the Captain appearing on the base roster and possibly extend that to the DLC roster too.

I know, I know, 'reps don't mean anything' but Sakurai has worried about overrepresentation of certain series in the past; Fire Emblem in Sm4sh, and Mario in Melee(hence why Wario was scrapped as a concept back then).

The current Mario cast is:

which is undeniably a lot, even without including Yoshi and Wario. I don't think Captain would get his own symbol, similarly to how Luigi, Peach and Doc have all had their own spinoffs and yet no original symbols. Plus ya know...with the Mario universe symbol being a damn mushroom, it'd be weird if Captain Toad had anything but that.

I'm not including Ashley as a character that could kill Cap's chances due to her being a Wario exclusive character. I doubt Geno or Paper Mario will get a symbol classifying them as anything but under the Mario banner, whilst Ashley would get Wario's W.

 

[Albo]

I think it's safe to say that, of all the potential Smash newcomers, Toad has had it worse than most others if not the worst. For three games straight he's been relegated to a rather undignified (and frankly useless) position as a counter, despite his relevance only growing since the Melee days with more prominent appearances in both mainline and spinoff titles. Only in Ultimate is he given a slightly more respectable position, but even then, the bar was set pretty low for him and I'm not prepared to say that his current situation is a massive upgrade.

The arrival of Captain Toad further complicated the situation. I'm not sure how others felt at the time, but when I first encountered him in Galaxy, I thought he would only be a one-off character (I honestly wasn't expecting him and the Brigade to even reappear in Galaxy 2). Naturally, I was delighted to see both him and Toad appear as playable in 3D World, Captain Toad in particular receiving a notable upgrade from side character to the face of his own minigame. One could probably imagine the wonder – and shock – that came when he (and the honorable Toadette, of course!) received their own game. It felt like a dream come true! Though it's been an uphill battle for Toad/Captain Toad and his fans, his future is looking fairly bright: a respectable role in Odyssey, ports to two of Nintendo's most popular consoles, and even promotional material/his own artwork in the company handbook seem to indicate that the Captain is here to stay.

I might be making a bold assumption here, but I think a lot of us want Toad/Captain Toad in a Smash so badly – besides his moveset potential, obviously – because we've found the Toad character to be particularly endearing. Whether Toad's your Mario Kart main, Blue or Yellow Toad is your character of choice in the New Super Mario Bros. games, or you're knee-deep in Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, it's safe to say that a lot of us have some sort of an attachment to him. I say all this for one reason: look how far he's come! Smash or not, Toad's become even more important to Mario – and by extension, gaming – than he ever has been before. Yes, it would be wonderful to take Toad or the Captain to the battlefield, but no matter what happens, we'll always have plenty of games to remind us what makes Toad super. Sucks to say, but a lot of Smash fighters, new and old, don't have that going for them.

Plus, after Ultimate, we have to rally for that Treasure Tracker sequel.

(sorry this is kinda shoddily written I don't do optimistic posts very often)

 

[fogbadge]

alright brigade if captain is deconfirmed in some way i say we take it in our stride

edit: to the moderator who removed the other line it was only a joke, im curious as to what the problem was

 

[CWCPT00]

Just saying, but I could see Captain Toad being announced in this Direct simply because he didn’t even get a mention about his games release in the Smash website and could be saved for tomorrow’s Direct, whereas WarioWare Gold got a update on its release date showcasing a small video of Wario.

However, set your standards low. I ain’t expecting Captain Toad to be in the game at all unfortunately.

EDIT: I felt the need to put this in.

“Is that something you’d want? It really kind of depends on how people respond.” Shinya Hiratake, one of the developers for Treasure Tracker response to the question of a possible sequel or DLC.

So basically, the game needs to sell well to get the sequel. If you haven’t got the game, please get it.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Luckily I bought Captain Toad on day one, for the 3DS.

Also, even more luckily, the creators changed their minds about the initial concept:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...oncept_starring_link_from_the_legend_of_zelda

WarioWare Gold is already considered a failure?

I know Game and Wario on the Wii U was a HUGE flop but they for some reason tried to get away from what made WarioWare great in the first place by removing the microgames and putting in longer games. The public didn't like it, and it didn't help it was an early title on the Wii U...

Moreover, Game & Wario originally wasn't going to be a Wario game, and more of a showcase game for the Wii-U's capabilities. Goes to show that brand recognition doesn't sell everything.

 

[Propeller Toad]

I too didn't think much of Captain Toad at the time of his debut. He was a rather eccentric character and the Toad Brigade were a lovable bunch; however, the whole time I just wondered if he was actually just the Toad character - but better defined (especially considering that North American SMG Toad card that existed saying that he became the captain). But it was nice to see Captain Toad become something much more over time - finally we got a Toad character that was much better defined and even became a distinguished hero on his lonesome as well.

One of the biggest issues with Toad himself was that he was always in the limelight even during his starring roles. In SMB2, he shared the spotlight with Mario, Luigi, and Peach. Likewise in SM3DW (though Rosa got her spot in Smash before Toad still ironically despite Toad being one of the 4 base characters...). In the NSMB titles, we had the two playable toads; however, it's a shame that both of them were left rather unexplored. It really is hard to tell if those toads will ever be recognized in the overall series outside of the NSMB titles due to their generic appearances. Super Mario Run came and went, and Toad once again was featured with his super speed (though Daisy got in - but as an echo fighter to be fair). Excluding the spin-offs and his non-playable appearances in the main series, this left Wario's Woods. While Toad was the real star this time, he wasn't the titular character sadly - most would just think that this game was all about Wario's adventures from first glance of the title as opposed to the little mushroom-headed hero.

I'm very happy for Captain Toad to finally break away from that curse. Just seeing the logo emphasize the "TOAD/KINOPIO" is enough to make me smile and see that he's finally marketed just right. Kids of this gen will grow up with this lovable Indiana Jones-esque Toad leading the way. I'd love to see Captain Toad as a series expand - perhaps with more stories and adventures. Imagine a mode where you can race against friends to find as much treasure as possible while using whacky power-ups. I did my part and bought the Switch version as well, let's hope Captain Toad gets bigger someday. Very happy that it had some good sales so far. I also wish to see the captain in more spin-off Mario titles too. As much as I love Toad, having Captain Toad as a playable alternative whenever Toad is a host would be super welcoming.

I'm going to enjoy this Smash Bros for sure, as I grew up with Melee. While I have wanted Toad for years, I look forward to the upcoming direct. Let's see what surprises await us, and perhaps we might get a pleasant surprise. It is odd that Treasure Tracker was never mentioned in the Smash Ultimate blog, but then again - it's Sakurai, who can tell what he's got planned or if he's gonna list all upcoming titles akin to Smash 4? Let's stay bright folks, and look forward to more of Toad, the Toad Brigade, Toadette, and of course Captain Toad himself.

 

[Albo]

Hey, at least Captain Toad wasn’t deconfirmed!

 

[fogbadge]

Hey, at least Captain Toad wasn’t deconfirmed!

yeah but that still boosted my pessimism

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Hey, at least Captain Toad wasn’t deconfirmed!

Interesting note for sure - but why would they keep holding him off like this?

Either they might pull Bowser Jr. on us, or Sakurai might do his most dirty work on Toad yet:

Spoiler

He won't feature Captain in Ultimate in any form at all.

 

[CWCPT00]

Actually Captain Toad has just been deconfirmed. Source Gaming have said that’s he’s in the New Donk City stage.

I think this also kills his DLC chances.

We suffer yet again.

 

[fogbadge]

Actually Captain Toad has just been deconfirmed. Source Gaming have said that’s he’s in the New Donk City stage.

I think this also kills his DLC chances.

We suffer yet again.

you could have broken that a little gentler

 

[CWCPT00]

you could have broken that a little gentler

Yeah, sorry about that. But I didn’t want to get people’s hopes up just for it to come crushing down. Getting it straight to the point just makes it better and less painful for those that desperately wanted Captain Toad in Smash.

 

[Sailor Waddle Dee]

Actually Captain Toad has just been deconfirmed. Source Gaming have said that’s he’s in the New Donk City stage.

I think this also kills his DLC chances.

We suffer yet again.

really? I didn't see him anywhere.
regardless, even if he is in the background of the New Donk stage. they could still always pull an Alfonzo

 

[CWCPT00]

really? I didn't see him anywhere.
regardless, even if he is in the background of the New Donk stage. they could still always pull an Alfonzo

I didn’t see him either, but it’s probably true. As for the Alfonzo thing... I wouldn’t count on it.

 

[SonicMario]

Yeah if he's on the Odyssey Stage. Then I say his chances are pretty poor. They could pull an Alfonzo. But unfortunately I think that's where I drop off most of my remaining hope for him.

But most of the direct was so exciting that even if once again Toad's being skipped over. There's going to be plenty to enjoy about this game. I've dealt with no playable Toad for the past games and I can do it again.

It'll just be a shame since this probably was a playable Toad's last chance at ever making it.

Sorry guys if my previous posts in support in this thread gave any of you guys too much hope that may have just came to a crash down today. But there's still much to look forward to in the game itself.

 

[CWCPT00]

Yeah if he's on the Odyssey Stage. Then I say his chances are pretty poor. They could pull an Alfonzo. But unfortunately I think that's where I drop off most of my remaining hope for him.

But most of the direct was so exciting that even if once again Toad's being skipped over. There's going to be plenty to enjoy about this game. I've dealt with no playable Toad for the past games and I can do it again.

It'll just be a shame since this probably was a playable Toad's last chance at ever making it.

Sorry guys if my previous posts in support in this thread gave any of you guys too much hope that may have just came to a crash down today. But there's still much to look forward to in the game itself.

Yeah, don’t worry about the previous posts. I was preparing for the inevitable anyway.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Spoiler

Yep.

It's him.

 

[Albo]

Hate to say it, but it's true.
View attachment 156298Gosh, what a shame. We can still hold on to hopes of an Alfonzo situation like others have mentioned, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Ah, I'm sure Ultimate will be an amazing game regardless. But I must admit, this does put a damper on things.

 

[fogbadge]

there is no polite way to react to this

 

[YoshiandToad]

Actually Captain Toad has just been deconfirmed. Source Gaming have said that’s he’s in the New Donk City stage.

I think this also kills his DLC chances.

We suffer yet again.

I may need to rewatch the Direct. I don't remember seeing this.

What a waste. Not even his own stage.

It's over guys. Best we got is Peach and Daisy's grapple. Rubbish.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ridley murdered Mario in Ridley's trailer. Death murdered Luigi in Simon's trailer. Someone has to murder Peach in Toad's trailer.