Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Raziek]

Robins, has there been any research into using up equipment and ejecting it to get out of combos or to cover options? I've never seen any Robin do it, but it seems very interesting and useful

I mean, I improvise with it when necessary, but it's difficult to plan around.

 

[Deleted member]

How in the world do people think Shulk is a B+ character?

I have to agree with this slightly.
Shulk does have amazing adaptability with the Monado Arts, but he still has some glaring weaknesses, such as his end lag (which causes him to get easily punished) and he just seems like a character that can get easily combo'd (I fought a Luigi with Shulk... I quickly got to 60% in less than a minute).

I think that Shulk is more of a B to B- character. He's not terrible at all and he needs a lot to work with, but his weaknesses could end up being his undoing.

 

[Mr. Johan]

If I know I have just a use left in a tome or sword and I have the breathing room, I use it up and grab it.

People are used to planning around plasma balls, fireballs, and Levin shenanigans. They are not used to the books and sword coming at you at wtf mph.

Besides, if you have the choice of knowingly getting your item back and getting the respawn clock started at your choosing, or hoping, not knowing, you'll hit with that last use, and then restart the clock when you've possibly put yourself in a precarious predicament, I'd pick the former option and have the threat of the book or sword for those few seconds.

 

[The_Cardinal]

I have to agree with this slightly.
Shulk does have amazing adaptability with the Monado Arts, but he still has some glaring weaknesses, such as his end lag (which causes him to get easily punished) and he just seems like a character that can get easily combo'd (I fought a Luigi with Shulk... I quickly got to 60% in less than a minute).

I think that Shulk is more of a B to B- character. He's not terrible at all and he needs a lot to work with, but his weaknesses could end up being his undoing.

Shulk can actually cancel the endlag from his aerials by changing monado arts and he doesn't get combo'd that much harder than let's say, Robin. It also doesn't help that Luigi is just a combo beast.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Shulk can also escape combos by switching to Shield or Smash during hitstun sooo...he really isn't comboed that hard

 

[Moydow]

Luigi gets 8538064% on everyone off a grab, so judging a character's ability to get comboed against him isn't a fair test.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Weirdly enough, the few people I play with offline (many of whom are competitive) know my Ness and Robin so well that I tend to fare better as Shulk simply because they don't know what to make of him.

 

[FalKoopa]

You people are are talking about the Reddit Tier List, too? Luigi and ROB are reasonably high. I have no complaints.

(Although I can't follow up most attacks.)

 

[LIQUID12A]

Really, Robin is better than tier lists give him credit for.

And honestly, tier lists have varied so much since the beginning that they're entertainment value for me at this point. Nothing more than objects to laugh at.

 

[the king of murder]

Tier lists right now are nothing to me. Why? Because balance patches exist.

I also agree that Shulk is incredibly overrated and at the same time Ike underrated. I feel like they should be a lot closer to each other somewhere around B- to C+. Ike's advantage(his throw game, D-tilt and Nair combo starter which work even in the 70-80s which he can easily get) is a lot better than Shulks but Shulk doen't get combo'd as hard and can excel at one area at time(though takes some risk with buster and Smash). Otherwise they are pretty similar(trying to outspace the opponents with range and disjoint, autocancel aerials, kind of read based characters).

But the list looks nice, best I have seen yet. Doesn't say much of course.

 

[Pazzo.]

Smash 4 is a strange animal...

It's been half a year, and we still haven't made an agreeable tier list.

 

[Wintropy]

The beauty of the game is that it's an ever-shifting landscape. High-tier today, mid-tier tomorrow, and vice-versa. The meta changes frequently and is constantly getting upset and reconsidered. I love that kind of unabashed variety, it keeps things interesting and ensures we don't end up in a 20XX scenario - which I personally find to be abjectly dull.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Just waiting for the patch where Falcon's hitboxes are corrected, Rosalina is given some semblence of startup lag, and Luigi and Sheik are removed from the game.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Speaking of patches
Why was Link's jab cancel removed but not Fox's? A character who isn't too good has their guaranteed kills removed, but a really good character doesn't??? Sakurai logic.

 

[Wintropy]

I'm just waiting for Marth and Lucina to have their lag removed.

I can live with Pit and Palutena, as they have a lot to work with in the long run (Pit has a ubiquitously diverse toolkit, Palutena has customs), but the heirs to the Falchion are just full of unnecessary nerfs.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

Sm4sh could become a whole different game balance-wise in a few years if these balance patches occur regularly.

And that's not even taking into account any new characters, stages, or modes that get introduced via DLC in the future.

 

[Wintropy]

Anybody fancy playing Smash 3DS with me? I could do with some practice.

 

[Weeman]

Smash 4 is a strange animal...

It's been half a year, and we still haven't made an agreeable tier list.

So? Other games took several years to make, and are still debated today.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Anybody fancy playing Smash 3DS with me? I could do with some practice.

I'll play you while another playing partner of mine comes along.

 

[Weeman]

Just waiting for the patch where Falcon's hitboxes are corrected, Rosalina is given some semblence of startup lag, and Luigi and Sheik are removed from the game.

Falcon's hitboxes? Are they too small?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Falcon's hitboxes? Are they too small?

Yes, way too small:

;_;

 

[Mr. Johan]

You are funny little bird, Weeman.

The face says it all.

 

[Moydow]

Falcon's hitboxes? Are they too small?

Far too small.

His f-smash can't hit you from the opposite side of the stage yet. This gross anomaly needs to be corrected.

 

[Pacack]

HIIIII!!!!!!!

Sorry I haven't been here in forever. I didn't get notifications here and I forgot to drop in. How's everything been? How excited are you guys for Yooka-Laylee??

 

[Kenith]

The game looks like Banjo-Kazooie, but conceptually interesting.

 

[Coolpool2]

Anybody fancy playing Smash 3DS with me? I could do with some practice.

I would, but I'm not very good. Plus I still haven't gotten my 3ds's shoulder button fixed so I would constantly mess up button inputs.

 

[Wintropy]

Sorry, @ LIQUID12A , the lag is intense. I won't make you play through that ahaha~

 

[LIQUID12A]

Is it my end or yours, @ Wintropy ?

I'll reset just in case.

Sorry, @ LIQUID12A , the lag is intense. I won't make you play through that ahaha~

Ok, then.

 

[Pazzo.]

Ah Falcon... So glad you're actually good again.

 

[Weeman]

Yes, way too small:

;_;

Far too small.

His f-smash can't hit you from the opposite side of the stage yet. This gross anomaly needs to be corrected.

You are funny little bird, Weeman.

The face says it all.

In all seriousness though, i know his Fsmash reach is absurd, specially if you do a quick dash before, giving it even more range than Shulk's Fsmash.
But apart from that what other Falcon's hitbox is too big? He doesn't even have disjoints anymore.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

can't wait until the Zelda nerfs

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

In all seriousness though, i know his Fsmash reach is absurd, specially if you do a quick dash before, giving it even more range than Shulk's Fsmash.
But apart from that what other Falcon's hitbox is too big? He doesn't even have disjoints anyumore.

 

[Weeman]

HIIIII!!!!!!!

Sorry I haven't been here in forever. I didn't get notifications here and I forgot to drop in. How's everything been? How excited are you guys for Yooka-Laylee??

Looks pretty hype, though my fear is that it becomes like Mighty No. 9 and we never hear of it again until next year.

 

[Kenith]

Okay that's ridiculous.
Might have to start playing C. Falcon again.

 

[Pazzo.]

C. Falcon is like the fusion of Speed Racer and Chuck Norris.

He should be on everyone's main list.

 

[Kenith]

C. Falcon is like the fusion of Speed Racer and Chuck Norris.
He should be on everyone's main list.

Captain Falcon and Chuck Norris?
More, a fusion of Speed Racer, Batman, all of the Power Rangers, Space Ghost and Kamen Rider.
Oh, and Mach Rider.

 

[Weeman]

C. Falcon is like the fusion of Speed Racer and Chuck Norris.

He should be on everyone's main list.

WHY IS HE NOT ON YOURS THEN SOLDIER?

 

[Pacack]

Looks pretty hype, though my fear is that it becomes like Mighty No. 9 and we never hear of it again until next year.

Well, they've set themselves a deadline of October 2016, and they have a history of working under deadlines. Along with that, they're rather active about looking at artwork of their fans and sharing designs that they've made and whatnot thus far.

So I wouldn't be too worried. They'll probably throw us bones without gorging us.

 

[Zantetsugun]

Yes, way too small:

;_;

Too awesome for physics!

Like I said......

Captain Falcon and Chuck Norris?
More, a fusion of Speed Racer, Batman, all of the Power Rangers, Space Ghost and Kamen Rider.
Oh, and Mach Rider.

Kamen Rider Falcon. Has a nice ring to it!

HIIIII!!!!!!!

Sorry I haven't been here in forever. I didn't get notifications here and I forgot to drop in. How's everything been? How excited are you guys for Yooka-Laylee??

I would state that the levels of my excitement have in fact exceeded the numerical value of nine-thousand.

 

[the king of murder]

Anybody fancy playing Smash 3DS with me? I could do with some practice.

You still on? If yes we could do some matches.