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That should be your signature... it might get taken out of context, but who needs context when you're makin da bills right?
GrandpaDukes
Yooo... most legendary post ever. XD Plus IIRC M2K used to CP DK all the time (sure it was in 3.0, but everyone else was nerfed too).
GrandpaDukes
thanks for laying it down. Is one of the reasons you got bored just playing him for so long? I saw like a 2 year old combo video of yours. Must be tiring to play a character who over the course of the game has pretty much only been nerfed. For years. 
Fox is Lucas-like, being a fast-falling glass cannon combo fiend, and is notorious for not really getting hard countered by anyone. Don't let the rep fool you, though--being a new Fox is not easy because everyone with Melee experience knows that matchup already.
ahem, link main here
His tech rolls are very good and his normal rolls are standardized. They stayed exactly the same through 3.6; other characters had their rolls changed to be more similar to his.
I think we're on the same page, that's why I think the game is crazy since I think he could be bottom ten and still basically be just as good as the rest of his cast.
Ness vs DK is not as bad for DK as you would think.
It was more for fun. Note that he had access to 3.0 Mewtwo; choosing just about any other character, DK included, was a strict tactical disadvantage for M2K.
May have just been when he was playing against esam, but didn't dk do surprisingly well vs 3.0 mewtwo. (Not supporting 3.0 mewtwo in any way and had a 3 page summary of how he was the embodiment of everything I despise.) just remember dk having good results on pikachu and mewtwo for some reason, though the southeast meta is so ... eccentric compared to other areas.
Oh absolutely for fun. Sorry if I implied it was a tactical decision haha.
Up oos hits frame 4. It's not that great of an OoS because no one should be hitting that deep on his shield anyway, because of it. It's also committing to like 80 frames of spinning so if they shield it good luck.
Soft Serve
True, it's laggy, but Samus' up boos puts you in a lot of lag after too, as does Marth's, and they're good options oos too. Sure, they can cancel most of the lag by landing on a platform, but they're still viable if you can catch your opponent off guard. Just gotta keep mixing it up.
THISNo biggie. I just didn't want to come across as a ****
Yea same way I went about mine
In a game like PM, if balance is to be achieved, EVERY CHARACTER should have a good number of both positive and negative matchups. This means that when PM goes Gold, every player needs to either learn to work around their character's poor matchups, or main a second character to cover them.
S tier characters have almost no poor matchups and circumvent the challenges every other character faces.
No, you're thinking 3.02.
Also worth noting that M2K's Mewtwo was terrible for a player of his caliber. No use of hover whatsoever, poor neutral, punish game was pretty average for a high level Mewtwo of that time, etc. I don't think the difference between his Mewtwo and any other character was all that significant, certainly less than tier lists of the time would imply.
Bang on the money.
everyone in 3.02 had recovery to the point where the very word "recovery" became a misnomer. Even now look at the list and look at the percentage of characters that can get back from ridiculously far away, and often pretty safely.
I'm not too sure anyone has a generally safe distant recovery besides maybe the Mario bros.
but he gets onto stage doesn't he? Whether or not some characters get beat around here or there in the end almost every character CAN recover from most positions. I mean lets go down the list: mario bros get back on stage in most situations, wario sometimes has to sacrifice waft, peach is peach, bowser's is prob balanced, yoshi just has to not lose his armor and he's fine, donkey kong has a good recovery but its balanced, diddy's is still really really strong, falcons is now super good albeit linear, spacies have spacie tier recovery, ice climbers are weird but they can get on stage from most situations sometimes sacrificing nana, zelda's is crazy good, shieks i like because it has strengths and weaknesses, link's is pretty hard to edgeguard and agt is pretty useful to get back from most situations, tlinks is ridiculous, ganons is really cool with float i dont wanna change dat, mewtwos is great, lucarios great, pikas great, jiggs great, squirtles is good, ivy's is a tether therefore safe for 3/4 of the cast, zard is getting back on the stage prob, samus' is good, zss is tether, mother bros are balanced, pit's getting back, jigglypuff's can have a picnic off stage and still get back on, kirby meta ddd all great recoveries, ike's is impossible to punish for 3/4 of the cast, marth's is fine, roys is fine, i know nothing of olis but it has mixups definitely i kinda like it i guess (just not against the rest of the casts), rob's is lol, gaymans is great, snakes taking percent but hes getting back, and finally sonics is goddamn BONKERS,
Or people are still bad at punishing recovery, which is also a distinct possibility.
Kirby's ain't that great. Sure it's long, but it's still predictable. And tethers suck. Zard's recovery ain't that great either.
since the characters with the longest furthest recoveries have a habit of having the most mixups, recovery is still far far easier for most the cast than Melee. And maybe comparing to melee is a bit of a Faux pas, but the recovery meta in melee is imperfect but pretty darn cool. In Project M, with how much everyone can recover and mixup that recovery, the advantage will always be towards the one recovering to get back onstage one way or another. the meta will be bloated. Though you could argue that's just due to the nature of Project M, where the debate between homogenized balance or uniqueness with more matchup extremes is still under way, the recovery is an excellent reflection of Project M's state as a whole: Almost everyone is still way too strong because we want everyone to be a special snowflake.
I agree with your first sentence because that was part of the point of adjusting characters from Melee in the first place. When other characters can't contend to the same recovery dynamics as the Melee top tiers, something has to give, especially if they're already losing in neutral.
Roy's recovery sucks, Meta Knight's nor DDD's aren't "great" because they are easy to edge guard. Zard's is easy AF to edge guard, but the rest is alright I guess. Wolf and Falco don't have "spacie tier" recovery, only Fox has a good recovery out of them. The rest is kinda obvious I suppose, and you're right about the fact that perhaps recoveries are still too good.
Mario bros only get back on the stage if they have frame perfect Down B mashing skills... speaking of which, when's the mashing mechanic going to be removed and instead you just hold down B button and get roughly 75% of the max height we get by mashing
I'm pretty sure we're not playing the same game, or your playgroup/videos you watch are awful at edgeguarding. Ike's recovery is punishable by everyone in the cast, you just have to actually work for it. Ivy and Olimar probably have the worst recoveries, only tried with shiek, roy or bowser. Tethers aren't safe. Olimar doesn't have different angles on up-b so his mixup game is very limited.
Olimar does have angles.
