Tier List Speculation

[nimigoha]

Fox nerfed decently, playstyle 97% intact.

Nerfs were warranted, I think they're not even as drastic as his Usmash nerf from last patch.

When I get my hands on the game later I'll be interested to see how much imperfect multishines have changed.

Also doesn't the aerial angle of 20 mean that Fox can do Shine-Bairs much more easily?

 

[FirewaterDM]

...Welp the biggest issue for IC's got fixed but they are still most likely still worse than a lot of characters. The Luigi nerfs, though I don't think they were needed don't seem too bad, depends on how much they got rid of tornado's vertical height.. But the Fox nerfs are cool tool.

 

[PootisKonga]

Bowser is smaller and more mobile now

I doubt he's still worst character tier

 

[jtm94]

GnW still bleeping, take that turbo nerds.

Wasn't expecting the change to ROB's SideB.

Are footstools better now with 20 frame fail window? It had the Meteor window before right? Does the window apply to UpB unlike meteors?

 

[D e l t a]

Oilman is still the worst ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[InfinityCollision]

GnW still bleeping, take that turbo nerds.

Wasn't expecting the change to ROB's SideB.

Are footstools better now with 20 frame fail window? It had the Meteor window before right? Does the window apply to UpB unlike meteors?

The footstool input has a 20 frame fail window. Basically you can't mash taunt inputs in the air for free footstools, you have to time it properly.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Well a lot of things changed this patch, espically for the boi king koopa, so it's nearly impossible to know who's the new king of garbage land. I'd have to get a little more handsy with the whole cast, but my gut tells me bowser is going to be pretty good in 3.6

 

[Manaconda]

Oilman is still the worst ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Wasn't he buffed in every way? Or is Lenny now a replacement for Kappa?

 

[D e l t a]

The footstool input has a 20 frame fail window. Basically you can't mash taunt inputs in the air for free footstools, you have to time it properly.

that was my favorite part lol

Wasn't he buffed in every way? Or is Lenny now a replacement for Kappa?

I like using that face. It's my version of a kappa. Something like a smug little grin if you will.

 

[Apollo Ali]

Dedede became more janky and has a less solid basic neutral tools with nerfs to dair and swallow so now fishing for Gordo-dashing by throwing upwards (not at the opponent, which we currently do) seems like its probably a pretty good strategy.

Bye bye to any DDD aggression, hello salt-inducing gordo-dash camping.

 

[Motobug]

Sonic's....unchanged, for the most part. Nair and DTilt buffs and some new animations. Fun times.

Don't know where I'd put him on a tier list, but if I had to guess probably #25-30.

 

[Boiko]

Donkey Kong is still bottom tier.

 

[Ningildo]

Now that Olimar can recover, you can all realize the glory that is Pikmin Toss. And then promptly want it nerfed.

We in a shine spike free world now.

Edit: Since the changes are going to bring in more Oli players (a la 3.5 Ganon), prepare to hear a lot of people saying Oli is dumb and whatnot due MU inexperience and get placed higher in random tier lists. I mean, he IS better, but not to the point where he gets to be top tier ez. Still autoloses neutral to Fox, still hates swordies/Ivy etc. Can definitely win a tournament now, but will probably need a secondary as people learn the MU.

 

[RelaxAlax]

Alongside his recovery, Olimar was slightly buffed everywhere else from range to damage. I think mr. grinch was right when he said he's now top 15 material, or at least mid tier.

Oh and the explosion effect with red pikmin is SO SATISFYING (and the yellow with melee electric effects too)

 

[Rachman]

Donkey Kong is still bottom tier.

*cries in spanish*

 

[Ripple]

 

[howbadisbad]

Reduced the chance for Luigi misfire

That RNG salt

 

[Ghetto Blush]

It literally does nothing to his kill potential, basically the change gives you the illusion of, "hey check it out, waft is nerfed right", but wario still going to be killing you at pretty earlier percents with it. Kinda silly imo.

But hey, got a better roll and a better hitbox on one of my best moves, snazy right?

Yeah I don't really understand what the point of the change was. Is SB going to use that as grounds for why his main's most controversial mechanic is balanced now?

 

[Manaconda]

Falcon nerfed, Peach gets animation changes mostly, and Puff nearly unchanged. I mean I get Peach and Falcon but from what I've heard doesn't Puff have unwinnables in PM?

 

[Rachman]

Lol Juan beats everyone every time he plays PM Puff so I wouldn't say that

 

[FlamingForce]

Srsly tho was the weegee down-b nerf neccesary

Was Otek the reason LOL

 

[GP&B]

Jiggs got slaughtered in the 3.02 meta and has been in better condition since 3.5 and now. It's just that Juan's one of the only notable players.

 

[Boiko]

Jiggs got slaughtered in the 3.02 meta and has been in better condition since 3.5 and now. It's just that Juan's one of the only notable players.

Soul Pech is pretty good.

 

[D e l t a]

Soul Pech is pretty good.

As good as he is, his character still gets wrecked when people play the matchup

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Srsly tho was the weegee down-b nerf neccesary

yes

luigi was ungimpable

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

man i just want olimar's old tether to be a zair you feel me

 

[D e l t a]

man i just want olimar's old tether to be a zair you feel me

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

@ Strong Badam pls

 

[PJB]

my way too early prediction for the new best character- Wolf. Thoughts?

 

[InfinityCollision]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. All of his tools appear to be functionally intact.

 

[Frost | Odds]

because you [,joe, are] not in the DT

Neither am I. I'm just persistent.

 

[Soft Serve]

Wolf could definetly be the best character, but we have to see how always being able to buffer rolls out of his nair>shine pressure on shield changes his MUs and how people play against him.

 

[Super___Sonico]

All I'd like to know is where most people perceive Ice Climbers and Bowser.

The only two characters I want to use.

 

[Strong Badam]

GnW still bleeping, take that turbo nerds.

Wasn't expecting the change to ROB's SideB.

Are footstools better now with 20 frame fail window? It had the Meteor window before right? Does the window apply to UpB unlike meteors?

The fail window is for characters using a footstool, not the victim. If you press the footstool button you have mapped and are not able to footstool someone, you can't attempt it again for 20 frames. Prior to 3.6, it was possible to simply mash the footstool button in such scenarios.

 

[Frost | Odds]

All I'd like to know is where most people perceive Ice Climbers and Bowser.

The only two characters I want to use.

I think Bowser is now somewhere in low or mid tier. ICs are probably between top of mid, and middle of high, imo.

 

[DMG]

Marth Wolf Falcon and Sheik all look good. Fox still looks kinda good

 

[Ripple]

DDD became much, much worse than wherever he was previously

 

[Apollo Ali]

DDD became much, much worse than wherever he was previously

Yeah I was really looking forward to our matchup with GnW becoming a lot better but NOPE

 

[Soft Serve]

So C sticks not forcing fast fall during platform drop animations is huge.

drop cancel up-air combos will be so good now, I'm calling it. I know Its already amazing for diddy, I expect squirtle to get helped by these changes, Mario, MK, Marth, GnW, ROB, Olimar, basically everyone with a good upair will enjoy having shield drop upairs not auto fast fall.

I'm serious, this change is big and amazing.

 

[D e l t a]

So C sticks not forcing fast fall during platform drop animations is huge.

drop cancel up-air combos will be so good now, I'm calling it. I know Its already amazing for diddy, I expect squirtle to get helped by these changes, Mario, MK, Marth, GnW, ROB, Olimar, basically everyone with a good upair will enjoy having shield drop upairs not auto fast fall.

I'm serious, this change is big and amazing.

Could you please show me? I don't think I follow...