Tier List Speculation

[DrinkingFood]

Rather than autosnapping to edges, Melee tethers go straight until they reach their max length or hit a wall. If they hit a wall you,'ll latch onto it and hang on until you press a button, at which point you'll do a jump similar to how you do now if the edge is occupied when you tether. You can also tether directly to the edge but ONLY if you are high enough for your tether to travel straight horizontally to the edge. There's also a brief travel time for the tip of the tether instead of it autosnapping. Differences basically are, you don't usually get the edge for free if nobody is on it, you have more flexibility in locations you can tether, and your jump is less laggy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZKkLuL60Lw
Woulda picked a different samus but Sung uses it a lot

 

[Soft Serve]

You can also do cool things like low tether>walljump>double jump>waveland on stage, axe does it quite a bit with Young Link.

Like DF said, they are more flexible in how they allow recoveries, but have some drawbacks.

 

[_Chrome]

The best part about the melee tethers was that they took more skill and were balanced option for recovery. It's a pretty hard thing to complain about being broken or bad.

 

[Deleted member]

Melee tethers were actually really properly designed. It's sad that we can't put them in PM, or at least we won't figure out how to for a VERY long time.

 

[Hylian]

Clearly Sopo is OP.

One day I'll prove IC's aren't worthless.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Hmmm
Nahhhhh

 

[Rᴏb]

Oh wow, Sopo can combo a fatty.
like everyone else

 

[Boiko]

Clearly Sopo is OP.

One day I'll prove IC's aren't worthless.

lol rip..ple.

 

[AuraMaudeGone]

Clearly Sopo is OP.
One day I'll prove IC's aren't worthless.

They have the potential to be a lot cooler though.

 

[Strong Badam]

How can they be cooler? Their name has ICE in it!

 

[mimgrim]

How can they be cooler? Their name has ICE in it!

All that climbing has got to make them sweat a lot though.

 

[Bazkip]

How can they be cooler? Their name has ICE in it!

What's cooler than being cool?

ICE COLD

 

[~Dad~]

lol rip..ple.

booooooo

How can they be cooler? Their name has ICE in it!

bbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Paradoxium]

I don't even care if Ic's dont have chaingrab combos or whatever, the fact that their are 2 of them means that they can do ridiculous shield pressure and follow ups, which is ****ing awesome in my book.

 

[falcon PUNCH!!!]

I don't even care if Ic's dont have chaingrab combos or whatever, the fact that their are 2 of them means that they can do ridiculous shield pressure and follow ups, which is ****ing awesome in my book.

1v1?

 

[~Dad~]

1v1?

How have you not been banned yet?

 

[Deleted member]

How have you not been banned yet?

I thought he already was

 

[Paradoxium]

My ***** Falcon Punch had 6 INFRACTIONS ma boy aint scared a nothin, he does what he wants when he wants

 

[JayTheUnseen]

My ***** Falcon Punch had 6 INFRACTIONS ma boy aint scared a nothin, he does what he wants when he wants

Apparently so...
Also,he was in conversation right after he made that post.Coincidence?

 

[The Baron]

Rather than autosnapping to edges, Melee tethers go straight until they reach their max length or hit a wall. If they hit a wall you,'ll latch onto it and hang on until you press a button, at which point you'll do a jump similar to how you do now if the edge is occupied when you tether. You can also tether directly to the edge but ONLY if you are high enough for your tether to travel straight horizontally to the edge. There's also a brief travel time for the tip of the tether instead of it autosnapping. Differences basically are, you don't usually get the edge for free if nobody is on it, you have more flexibility in locations you can tether, and your jump is less laggy.

Wow, that's actually pretty cool

 

[Ripple]

2 can play at that game Hylian

 

[Frost | Odds]

Guys I still think Sonic might be kinda bad, which sounds totally ludicrous given his DD and everything, but it doesn't feel meaningfully better than Falcon's, and all his options out of it are basically strictly way worse.

Still can't be really sure, will have to play with him a bunch more to figure it out, but jesus it really sucks to have every one of your moves beaten by, like, luigi's dtilt

 

[MLGF]

He may be worse then Falcon, I may admit that, but **** if that means he's bad.

 

[InfinityCollision]

Luigi's dtilt beating ANYTHING is the best thing ever.

HONK

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Melee tethers can latch on to Any wall.

The current tethers (non-melee) sweetspot the edge.

 

[TheGravyTrain]

Samus could do crazy stuff with bombs to interupt her tether, giving her essentially a third jump before her up b.

 

[JOE!]

Rather than autosnapping to edges, Melee tethers go straight until they reach their max length or hit a wall. If they hit a wall you,'ll latch onto it and hang on until you press a button, at which point you'll do a jump similar to how you do now if the edge is occupied when you tether. You can also tether directly to the edge but ONLY if you are high enough for your tether to travel straight horizontally to the edge. There's also a brief travel time for the tip of the tether instead of it autosnapping. Differences basically are, you don't usually get the edge for free if nobody is on it, you have more flexibility in locations you can tether, and your jump is less laggy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZKkLuL60Lw
Woulda picked a different samus but Sung uses it a lot

Just saying, the 1st minute of that commentary is pretty much why PM exists

 

[Hylian]

2 can play at that game Hylian

My combos are cooler

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Guys I still think Sonic might be kinda bad, which sounds totally ludicrous given his DD and everything, but it doesn't feel meaningfully better than Falcon's, and all his options out of it are basically strictly way worse.

Still can't be really sure, will have to play with him a bunch more to figure it out, but jesus it really sucks to have every one of your moves beaten by, like, luigi's dtilt

His dash attack is pretty fast, so that option has advantages that Falcon hasn't. One really quick move can sometimes help. Rangewise Sonic can have problems though, at least compared to Falcon.

By the way, I really like your Bowser videos you uploaded on PMDepot. Until then I only thought of you as an Ivysaur-hater lol

 

[PlateProp]

@ Hylian Maybe they wont be useless once you finally fix dem momentum glitches or whatever it is

Then again, ICs are broken in like every edition of PM so far

So they'll prolly still be useless

 

[Hylian]

@ Hylian Maybe they wont be useless once you finally fix dem momentum glitches or whatever it is

Then again, ICs are broken in like every edition of PM so far

So they'll prolly still be useless

It's fixed x.x. We just need to release the bug patch. You have no idea how badly I want that patch released lmao.

 

[JOE!]

It's fixed x.x. We just need to release the bug patch. You have no idea how badly I want that patch released lmao.

Wait, the 1 frame momentum delay thingy?

 

[InfinityCollision]

Nah, ICs have some weirdness when you pivot right now.

 

[Hylian]

Wait, the 1 frame momentum delay thingy?

No, Ice Climbers have inverted momentum when they turn around which as you can imagine causes all sorts of problems.

 

[shairn]

I thought the pivot glitch was really cool
You can pivot ftilt as a spacing option and it looks swag

 

[Ace55]

His dash attack is pretty fast, so that option has advantages that Falcon hasn't. One really quick move can sometimes help.

Honestly, as underwhelming as Falcon's DA is the problem isn't that it's slow.

 

[Frost | Odds]

His dash attack is pretty fast, so that option has advantages that Falcon hasn't. One really quick move can sometimes help. Rangewise Sonic can have problems though, at least compared to Falcon.

By the way, I really like your Bowser videos you uploaded on PMDepot. Until then I only thought of you as an Ivysaur-hater lol

Thanks!

I don't hate Ivysaur, I was just vocal about her design in 3.02 because of how ridiculously polarizing she was, and nobody else was really stepping up to the plate.

Now she's been overnerfed if anything, but the design is much better. I look forward to Ivy buffs in 4.0.

 

[DMG]

Sonic and Falcon are different enough outside of neutral that it's not totally fair to consider him inferior. Some things he does better, some things worse. I would actually probably prefer Sonic over Falcon competitively, if somehow Falcon wasn't cooler or if he neglected his 12 pack ab workout and showed up with like 6.5 abs (how do you even do that)

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Honestly, as underwhelming as Falcon's DA is the problem isn't that it's slow.

It is not frame 2 though, and even a fast move may sometimes be inferior to a very fast move.

 

[Frost | Odds]

Dunno man, Sonic is such a special, incredibly perfect kind of uncool that he basically loops back around into coolness via the fact that in order to play him you need to give absolutely zero ****s, or just be so completely oblivious that you won't detect the abuse that'll be heaped on you anyway.

IT'S

NO

USE

... Anyway, I have way more luck playing a really campy game in general and using Ftilt out of run to out-space opponents, than I do playing the expected bait and punish games, or trying to use his specials basically at all. As fast as Sonic's stuff mostly comes out, it's not really fast enough (in conjunction with his terrible range) to punish most characters' basic zoning moves. If you go in to punish an ftilt, you're just gonna get hit by the next one. Playing against someone like ROB or Marth is incredibly frustrating, because Sonic's character archetype theoretically crushes them, but he gets totally hosed in practice.