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Tier List Speculation
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This might be the first thing I've called something luigi does as cute instead of awkward
InfinityCollision
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Scroll up a bit to that post that quoted 1FD and expand the quoted post, it's got a few gifs showing potential applications and roughly explains how to do it.
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SpiderMad
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Couldn't find it
MudkipUniverse
Smash Ace
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Mario needs changes, he is annoying, and broken
Mario needs changes, he is annoying, and broken
InfinityCollision
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Been there, done that. I'd rather talk about underused material than beat the same dead horse all the way to 3.5 release.
Original post here: http://smashboards.com/threads/tier-list-speculation.331666/page-512#post-17766861
Most character are fine, they just are too safe and easy and just need some tweaks
like once people have stop hiding behind projectiles, kill throws or guarenteed folowups off throws at kill percents, obscene recoveries and brain dead combo moves(m2 tilts, lucas dair, etc) the characters would be fine
idk, I don't think any character is too broken conceptually right now except for maybe m2s teleport, they just have too many good things
I also think everthing to talk about has been talked about dozens of times over, and we should honestly just let the thread slowly die and revive it like 2 months in to 3.5
like once people have stop hiding behind projectiles, kill throws or guarenteed folowups off throws at kill percents, obscene recoveries and brain dead combo moves(m2 tilts, lucas dair, etc) the characters would be fine
idk, I don't think any character is too broken conceptually right now except for maybe m2s teleport, they just have too many good things
I also think everthing to talk about has been talked about dozens of times over, and we should honestly just let the thread slowly die and revive it like 2 months in to 3.5
mimgrim
Smash Hero
PM Bowser needs to be upgraded in a similar way to Smash4 Bowser. Not saying he needs to be standing up or anything, but more of a normalization of being made faster and not being so goddamn slow. All fatties not named Charizard could use that kind of treatment really.
this looks like the goofiest thing on the planet, while covering a rly big weakness in luigi needing to emphasize his wavedashes so much
that makes this probably my most favorite tech on the planet
Foo
Smash Lord
Well, if you guys want to talk about "need fixes" characters, here's a few.
Roy: Almost perfect, just make his second side-b stall as much as his first so he doesn't die to gravity at 70% (yes I know how to di)
G&W: Change hitboxes to match animation (e.g. manhole shouldn't be one circle, same with chute). Also, change animations slightly to better indicate if the hitbox is out or not. Manhole keeps spinning for the frames where the hitbox leaves, so have it go motionless during that time. Dash attack animation is the same when the hitbox disappears so he tilts upward to indicate stopping. Since G&W isn't good, he would need some buffs as well. Since chute would only hit where the chute is, it should come out a lot faster. Since jab wouldn't hit behind him, he should have better ability to act out of it (not guaranteed though, just mixups) You get the idea
Captain Falcon: Can grab ledge at the apex of his up-b, allowing him sweetspot abilities similar to marth. (Can still be easily edgegaurded, but has to ledge guarded similarly to how one would ledgeguard shiek or marth.
Ness: Nerf PK fire, give him better neutral game tools overall
Mewtwo: Increase tail range slightly kappa
Roy: Almost perfect, just make his second side-b stall as much as his first so he doesn't die to gravity at 70% (yes I know how to di)
G&W: Change hitboxes to match animation (e.g. manhole shouldn't be one circle, same with chute). Also, change animations slightly to better indicate if the hitbox is out or not. Manhole keeps spinning for the frames where the hitbox leaves, so have it go motionless during that time. Dash attack animation is the same when the hitbox disappears so he tilts upward to indicate stopping. Since G&W isn't good, he would need some buffs as well. Since chute would only hit where the chute is, it should come out a lot faster. Since jab wouldn't hit behind him, he should have better ability to act out of it (not guaranteed though, just mixups) You get the idea
Captain Falcon: Can grab ledge at the apex of his up-b, allowing him sweetspot abilities similar to marth. (Can still be easily edgegaurded, but has to ledge guarded similarly to how one would ledgeguard shiek or marth.
Ness: Nerf PK fire, give him better neutral game tools overall
Mewtwo: Increase tail range slightly kappa
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B.W.
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Foo
Smash Lord
AD HOMINEM!!!!!!
I thought after that troll boomerang post got so many likes, people would realize when I'm joking lol. The rest were serious, that one was a joke. I'll even add in a kappa for ya
InfinityCollision
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I'm kind of surprised that anyone thought you were serious about increasing tail range, but humor on the internet etc.
Still only works to the right, except if you do it for just one frame then I guess it works either way, conserves your WD momentum or something and just changes the direction. Dunno, I don't play Weegee but 1FD's gifs clearly display a variant of the tech used while facing left.
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What you really need, is Luigi moonwalking
Yep that's the next technique that will shore up his weaknesses
Along with pivot everything, scuffling, wave pooping, tilt elongating, RAR fisherman swatting, nose breaking, gum chewing, and Tabasco drizzling
Yep that's the next technique that will shore up his weaknesses
Along with pivot everything, scuffling, wave pooping, tilt elongating, RAR fisherman swatting, nose breaking, gum chewing, and Tabasco drizzling
B.W.
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Player -0
Smash Hero
We should make Mario shoot 2 fireballs instead of one. Also Link has an unlimited supply of boomerangs so he can throw however many while the rest come back too.
Foo
Smash Lord
1FD
Smash Ace
Maybe you missed earlier convos but this is probs where nausicaa would come in and be like 'i didnt beat pp and m2k with pm luigi so how did i win' or something like that.
That like 2010 or something though so metagame grew and luigi sucks balls in melee can't win with him these days im sure
never give up never surren,,,
nvm i quit playing smash like a month ago and won't play until 3.5
But spam is fun
Not that I know of I'm not even doing it right in the gifs
Techs hurt my face if it's not wolf or kirby stealing things and playing with stolen b move uses
PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
Avro-Arrow
Smash Journeyman
Huh. I guess i just have a preference for it maybe? I find that Ivy gets wrecked once Charizard gets in, and I guess I haven't been having too much trouble approaching. Whatever. I can see how it would be hard for Charizard.
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
One last thing: Lucas' bair is legitimately stupid and the non-spike hitbox needs to not be a kill move
PlateProp
Smash Master
Give Mario his 64 fireball speed
Screw it, there needs to be a 64 mode for PM, everyone has n64esque models, hitstun is ****ing ridiculous, cant charge smashes, ect
Screw it, there needs to be a 64 mode for PM, everyone has n64esque models, hitstun is ****ing ridiculous, cant charge smashes, ect
B.W.
Smash Champion
Let's give Captain Falcon his n64 U-Smash You know, that weird elbow thing he does.
Looks like he's dancin
Looks like he's dancin
MLGF
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Foo
Smash Lord
No dummy, they will have cool space suits with colorful Galaxy-style prints and patterns
DK won't get any pants though. I didn't start this idea to give clothes to monkeys. He'll be fine with just a top
DK won't get any pants though. I didn't start this idea to give clothes to monkeys. He'll be fine with just a top
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Alfonzo Bagpipez
Smash Lord
Yo, dawg...
1FD
Smash Ace
Pit's arrows ARE kill moves!
Pit gets one JUST ONE read on wolf and throws him off stage it's like 1 mistake from wolf from there and that's a kill. Arrows > life.
Luckily wolf can dance around his neutral looking to poke holes and Pit has to make the read, but **** that char still
I watched mangos godly falcon and fox lose to a mario, and the thing I noticed most even when I was a scrub (ok im still a scrub but whatever) was how the mario almost NEVER left the ground in the whole set
Then a year or 2 later I watched scorp (mango) playing mario against shiz's at the time pretty much top falco and it was the same deal with mario almost never leaving the ground for almost anything but combos
Then a year or 2 later and in comes PM Mario and THAT IS NO LONGER A THING
Now Mario floats around like UMVC3 Zero with Doom hidden missiles backing him up like a ****ing spaceship because who the heck needs to develop metagame when it's so accessible to jump and press B and poke with smash-style divekicks while covering yourself in the process with projectiles and hard hitboxes
Otherwise mario is cool I like fighting him because I can deal with his *** with a dancingpantsy wolf still
Pit gets one JUST ONE read on wolf and throws him off stage it's like 1 mistake from wolf from there and that's a kill. Arrows > life.
Luckily wolf can dance around his neutral looking to poke holes and Pit has to make the read, but **** that char still
I watched mangos godly falcon and fox lose to a mario, and the thing I noticed most even when I was a scrub (ok im still a scrub but whatever) was how the mario almost NEVER left the ground in the whole set
Then a year or 2 later I watched scorp (mango) playing mario against shiz's at the time pretty much top falco and it was the same deal with mario almost never leaving the ground for almost anything but combos
Then a year or 2 later and in comes PM Mario and THAT IS NO LONGER A THING
Now Mario floats around like UMVC3 Zero with Doom hidden missiles backing him up like a ****ing spaceship because who the heck needs to develop metagame when it's so accessible to jump and press B and poke with smash-style divekicks while covering yourself in the process with projectiles and hard hitboxes
Otherwise mario is cool I like fighting him because I can deal with his *** with a dancingpantsy wolf still
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
I erected imagining Ganon's fair just being a sideways version of his dair. All his other aerials too lmao.
this just in, "erected" is not the proper verb
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I'm an erected and I approve