Ya Boy GP
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Where on LI are you? Go to any locals? LI has a pretty strong PM scene.
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Tier List Speculation
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steelguttey
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nah i go to locals im just ****
Erik Aldereguia
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i feel like midweights even with changes to come will always be top tier because of their ability to combo well but still be floaty enough to get out of a lot of combos. i feel like this is why pit, diddy and mario are widely considered to be among the i play for money tier. the midweights that arent among top tier i feel is because of their reliance on certain unique aspects. zss pretty much relies on paralyzer for setups. ike relies on qd, sonic relies on spindash (although im ok with that one. it just makes sense). and while all work, you're basically relying on one move. but the top tier midweights are just consistent in that they have many different options for many different matchups and situations
Ya Boy GP
Smash Apprentice
In my opinion, that's not true. How hard a character gets punished/punishes isn't a huge factor in determining how good they are. For me, the largest aspect of what makes a character good is what tools they can use in the neutral game to get the first clean hit in. For example, Samus in melee can barely be combo'd unless samus royally screws up, but she's still not that high on the tier list because her neutral game is lacking.
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Diddy is one of the easiest characters to combo in the game. He can't really get out of anything. He falls fast, without falling too fast to combo at low percents.
Edit: Despite this he's still a top tier character because of his domination in the neutral.
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Erik Aldereguia
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yeah thats a good point. but thats part of what i meant. the midweights generally dont get punished as hard as fast fallers. but they punish just as hard (for the most part anyway). this is of course a generalization and is not universally true.
and diddy can get out of combos easily if hes playing smart. any decent diddy should have a banana set up somewhere to help him out. his up-b also punishes over aggression. he has a lot of options as long as hes playing smart.
and diddy can get out of combos easily if hes playing smart. any decent diddy should have a banana set up somewhere to help him out. his up-b also punishes over aggression. he has a lot of options as long as hes playing smart.
Circle_Breaker
Smash Journeyman
****ing lol. Sonic not top tier. Spin dash being an OK move. You're killing me
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I suck at brawl I would always play CPU's in the past but I knew the advanced techniques like Side B and Down B Canceling with shield and a few months ago I got a Allisbrawl account and play Brawl Wifi and I kind of suck still which is why I quit Brawl 2 months agoHah, when I was 12 I was playing Brawl Item matches and spamming neutral B with Sonic. Good on you man.
steelguttey
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anyone in high-mid really
wario comes to mind
wario comes to mind
IMO unless a character has an absolutely broken mechanic or is handily winning tournaments by abusing one tech, they probably shouldn't be changed. The game is still developing.
But if you want an opinion of characters that the masses feel are already balanced: Wario, DK, Falcon, Wolf, Kirby, and Roy come to mind. That's just my opinion though.
PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
wario is comfortably mid. IF pmbr wanted to make wario mid/high all they would have to do would be to tweak the priority of some of his moves or make dair jump cancellable. I don't really know if making dair jump cancellable would actually make him better, but it would be more fun
Erik Aldereguia
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for the record. i was saying sonic was NOT top tier.
Coney
Smash Master
greatest accomplishment of my smash careerATTENTION: HERE IS MY TIER LIST
Hipster main tier that will defend their character to the death
coneyzzz
thank you
Give him back air side-b's and side-b slide/crouch that was like +15 on shield
Circle_Breaker
Smash Journeyman
for the record, that's wrong. sonic is definitely top tier and you must theory harder
Player -0
Smash Hero
Obviously
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Hey, stop mooching off of coneyzzz's success. Just because copied his name doesn't mean you're as good as him. I bet coneyzzz is 1450983246098 times better than you.
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JesteRace
Smash Journeyman
The best examples that really make a good case for Project M as a whole, IMO, are Roy, Luigi, Lucario, DK, Wolf, Wario, Toon Link, and Samus.
Paradoxium
Smash Master
Dont forget Pikachu
JesteRace
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, I'd agree with Pikachu as well.
I had the same thoughts, usually it's the mid-tiers that everyone forgets about but are still hype as hell to watch. I wish we saw more of Wolf, Samus, Zamus and Roy instead of the *ahem* "I play to make money" tier (not coined by me lol ... i didn't even mean the "coined" pun either)
Paradoxium
Smash Master
"yeah ggs. i hate pikachu, all you have to do is upsmash at like 70% to get a free kill"
Someone said that to me this morning after I played him on wifi, the first time I've ever seen someone think Pikachu is broken haha
Someone said that to me this morning after I played him on wifi, the first time I've ever seen someone think Pikachu is broken haha
Vashimus
Smash Master
Plot twist, he plays Fox.
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Paradoxium
Smash Master
Pikachu lookin like Fox doe
Jake The Preacher
The Amateur Preacher
For the ones who were talking about sonic, at LTC2 in the interview after grands M2K did say that Sonic is one of the 6 god tier/ absolutely broken characters
leekslap
Smash Ace
1FD makes the most genuinely confusing posts ever. It just blows my mind while I'm reading his posts.
Dedede is completely balanced. Why haven't people mentioned him? He's awesome! He's what every character should strive to be. A fat, rich, and egotistical eastern penguin lol. If you want to go more indepth:
Pros
- arguably best gimping game with bair, fair, inhale,etc.
- fat disjointed hitboxes
- very heavy and hard to kill
- best non tether grab range with amazing throws all
- good power
- groovy projectile that can be used for recovery, sometimes combos, appeoaches, and mixups
- amazing recovery
- great moveset overall with arguably one bad move at all
- lives FOREVER
- will be top tier in 3.5 without being broken
Cons
- big target that's combo food
- weak against characters with a better camping game
- short wavedash
- really slow
- not good with pressure
- has an easy recovery to edgeguard
I mean, my D3 is still in training and I'm trying really hard to be good with him. Maybe later, I'll get a grip on him.
Dedede is completely balanced. Why haven't people mentioned him? He's awesome! He's what every character should strive to be. A fat, rich, and egotistical eastern penguin lol. If you want to go more indepth:
Pros
- arguably best gimping game with bair, fair, inhale,etc.
- fat disjointed hitboxes
- very heavy and hard to kill
- best non tether grab range with amazing throws all
- good power
- groovy projectile that can be used for recovery, sometimes combos, appeoaches, and mixups
- amazing recovery
- great moveset overall with arguably one bad move at all
- lives FOREVER
- will be top tier in 3.5 without being broken
Cons
- big target that's combo food
- weak against characters with a better camping game
- short wavedash
- really slow
- not good with pressure
- has an easy recovery to edgeguard
I mean, my D3 is still in training and I'm trying really hard to be good with him. Maybe later, I'll get a grip on him.
Paradoxium
Smash Master
DDD gets wrecked by janky/top tier characters though
leekslap
Smash Ace
Honestly who doesn't?
Foo
Smash Lord
Honestly, I wouldn't put pikachu in the "perfect" tier for that reason. Now, I'm not saying he's broken or OP, just that upsmash is too good, especially since it leads so well into downb to kill at very low %. For pikachu, I'd like to see a slight increase in startup or decrease in speed, and then increase priority and decrease lag on side b, and increase back air knockback up to a more viable kill move (or something like that). I do like characters having "core" moves that are better than most of his moves, but pikachu's upsmash is just a little too good, but he has a lot of weaker moves that are a little too niche.
I don't think I would put anyone in the "perfect" tier, tbh. The closest to me would probaly be Roy, he just needs increased side-b stall ability and he's perfect imo.
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Avro-Arrow
Smash Journeyman
Sonic is not THAT good, lol. His approach lacks prirority/range and the air speed could be better. Samus is much better, Diddy is better, DK is better than Charizard for sure, and Yoshi's options have made him pretty dang good (underrated if you ask me). It's definitely not a bad tier list though, and everything I said was just my opinion. Falco and Fox are not top tier; characters who were buffed from Brawl/Melee to PM do very well comboing them, more so than Melee top tiers. That's why Shiek is better than them in PM.
Player -0
Smash Hero
Isn't Ivy's or M2's gimping game better?
I mean, they're kinda hard to beat.
Edit - What is this post above me.
I mean, they're kinda hard to beat.
Edit - What is this post above me.
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Avro-Arrow
Smash Journeyman
Charizard IMO is easy to deal with when you get to know him. The tech chase should be reverted to the op one because all his other comboes (in general) are reliant on the opponent's DI. That said, he still wins against characters, like Ivysaur.Not going to elaborate much if at all on this list because it'd be a waste of my time, but **** it I'll get a list out before the next patch.
S Tier
A Tier
B Tier
C Tier
D Tier
Some chars are probably interchangeable throughout the tiers, though I've taken the time to order them a little. I've always had a strong opinion that Zard should be more relevant. But eh whatever.
Avro-Arrow
Smash Journeyman
Or, his glide could be improved. (Jump out of glide?!? Heck yeah!).
steelguttey
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somebody has been playing against ss
Player -0
Smash Hero
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
People mention Roy like 6 times in the "who doesn't need changes" list and leave out Ike and Marth.
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well, if you changed marth at all then everyone would go ape**** (But yes, I do agree marth is fine)
I don't really agree with a few of ikes things, side b is questionable to me. The actual attack you can do out of side b is REALLY safe, it has little cool down and combos into a lot. Maybe I just don't know ike at all? But his side b is a bit... awkward.
I don't really agree with a few of ikes things, side b is questionable to me. The actual attack you can do out of side b is REALLY safe, it has little cool down and combos into a lot. Maybe I just don't know ike at all? But his side b is a bit... awkward.