Tier List Speculation

[Chesstiger2612]

Actually, SDI is made more effective when you get sent farther BECAUSE of your %. SDI+normal knock-back

Isn't SDI dependant on SDI modifier only?

 

[Zx2963]

Who's the most unbalanced character of the top tiers?

 

[steelguttey]

Who's the most unbalanced character of the top tiers?

Spoiler: kinda big

darn

 

[Dakpo]

Isn't SDI dependant on SDI modifier only?

yes, you are not getting my point though.

 

[Foo]

Who's the most unbalanced character of the top tiers?

probably mewtwo
(probably inserted for character minimum purposes)

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

probably mewtwo
(probably inserted for character minimum purposes)

What about Pit?

 

[Zx2963]

What about Pit?

Its most, no doubt about it Pits broken

 

[JOE!]

Can we make falco have fireballs yet so that he can compete?

 

[Player -0]

Can we make falco have fireballs yet so that he can compete?

Do we map that to his taunt or his Up-B. Putting it over lasers might be a nerf.

 

[JOE!]

Mario's fireballs.... A nerf?

Does not compute

 

[Zx2963]

Can we make falco have fireballs yet so that he can compete?

Why not make his upsmash and uair like fox, lasers as fast and SHDL, and up taunt final smash

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Why not make his upsmash and uair like fox, lasers as fast and SHDL, and up taunt final smash

To Broken lol

 

[DJ _ICE]

To Broken lol

Nooooo

 

[John12346]

Why not have neutral B shoot a laser AND a fireball?

Genius!

 

[Chesstiger2612]

yes [...]

Ah ok, so you are saying the results of using correct SDI are greater, not the distance. In this case I agree.

 

[Deleted member]

sometimes i think the character balance in this game is kinda frustrating. then i think, wow, a group of people that i don't even know has the patience to put up with a ****ing asshole like me enough to actually consider my plights. i was a bit smitten.

 

[WIZRD.Pro]

What I'd like to see is some buffs for Ganon. Considering his Forward Special and Down Air both lead into Tech Chase opportunities, I think it'd be quite a nice change in pace for him to become a sort of "Chaser" character. I do not we've ever seen a character who can have a playstyle built around getting a tech chase, so I think adding something like this would be really refreshing.

My idea, the Footsie Cancel:

• Grounded Wizard's Foot could be canceled into a forward air Wizard's Fist or Gerudo Dragon (aerial version) anytime a few frames after it's hitboxes come out. You can also cancel it into a Fair or a Dair, but you'll land before they can really be used effectively.
• Uses:
  • You can Footsie Cancel a Dair into an L-Cancel for greater mobility. While this does make Ganon more agile, it can be punished if predicted or used too close to opponents. It is mostly useful for mixups or resetting to neutral.
  • You can Wizard's Foot into Wizard's Fist to style on opponents or for an interesting followup.While I don't really see this being too useful on-stage, I see it could lead into some really Hype off-stage edgeguards. It can also be Wave-Bounced so there's also that.
    • You can Footsie Cancel off of a platform into a Dair or Fair to add a bit of range to your approach.
    • You can Footsie Cancel into a Gerudo Dragon with different timings to mixup your dash-dancing. While it may be dangerous if you whiff, it allows you to put your opponent into a Tech Chase opportunity and has quite a few mixups beforehand. You could make your Footsie Cancel timings vary while every so often throwing in a Footsie Canceled Dair or two to throw off opponents. Opponents would be very afraid of getting caught by the Gerudo Dragon as that means he could catch them with a grab at low percents, a Forward Air at high, or a Dair or another Gerudo Dragon for another Tech Chase.

 

[KayB]

Ganon is certainly not the type of character that needs a cancel.

 

[WIZRD.Pro]

Ganon is certainly not the type of character that needs a cancel.

IDK, it seems easy enough to punish and would help him, he really isn't that great of a character.

 

[KayB]

IDK, it seems easy enough to punish and would help him, he really isn't that great of a character.

It isn't about character balance, it just doesn't really make sense. I mean if we wanted to have character balance, we might as well give a lot of characters cancels. It's more about keeping the integrity of the character in mind while making tweaks to the character. For example, canceling Wizard's foot would look really weird.

 

[jtm94]

How about Ganon stays where he is and keeps his derpy command suicide grab tech chase highlight video combo move. And we acknowledge not every character needs to be top tier.

 

[DMG]

Shut your mouth right now

Put me in charge of balancing all of the LoZ characters. I will do proper justice to Ganon, Link, and Zelda. Sheik will get no changes so she's not included

Unneeded spoiler alert: Link will go in the toilet, Zelda will be removed, and Ganon will have 5 jumps with auto triple shine if you land Fair

 

[Circle_Breaker]

Sheik should have a down B and be a separate character from Zelda. Come at me, purists.

(the downb should still be useless. or alternatively, the downb should be shine)

 

[DMG]

sometimes i think the character balance in this game is kinda frustrating.


AND THEN, I LOOK AT GANON

 

[Scrubby]

Shiek down-b should be a taunt just like in maylay

 

[Deleted member]

or it could be a legit attack

pretty sure the zelda players like switching to sheik and the sheik players want nothing to do with zelda.

 

[Plum]

Zelda still transforms into Sheik with her Down B.
Sheik can no longer transform, but has a real Down B.
That way Zelda players don't have to be punished for picking Zelda and can still fix their mistake midmatch.

 

[DMG]

The mistake is not picking Zelda, instead it's actu-

Wait, who am I kidding

BURN ZELDA AT THE STAKE!

 

[Circle_Breaker]

make sideB a 2frame whip attack with insane knockback growth and make downB a tether that also shoots falco lasers

 

[Scrubby]

make sideB a 2frame whip attack with insane knockback growth and make downB a tether that also shoots falco lasers and fireballs and it also works as a frame 1 shine

FTFY

 

[2 C H i L L E D]

or it could be a legit attack

pretty sure the zelda players like switching to sheik and the sheik players want nothing to do with zelda.

So much truth in this sentence.

 

[shairn]

I switch to Zelda when I'm getting bopped and I figure **** it I'll just use a dumb character

 

[victinivcreate1]

Unneeded spoiler alert: Link will go in the toilet, Zelda will be removed, and Ganon will have 5 jumps with auto triple shine if you land Fair

What kinda shine? LIke the wonky Wolf shine that sets up into another fair/or suicide side B?
Flaco's fair that allows REAL pillars or POWER?
Or that measly Fax Shine.

 

[Zx2963]

How can people think Zelda is broken when we still have Mewtwo?

 

[DMG]

Zelda is boring and uninspired. Kick city, she ain't no basic b****

 

[Mr.Random]

I actually want to know. Does the PMBR nerf characters because people cry about them or because they legitimately think some characters need to be looked at and tweaked?

 

[Deleted member]

I actually want to know. Does the PMBR nerf characters because people cry about them or because they legitimately think some characters need to be looked at and tweaked?

i would imagine that the prior inspires the latter.

 

[Mr.Random]

i would imagine that the prior inspires the latter.

If it comes from low and mid level players then no. Otherwise I would agree. Most of the PMBR are top or high level players which is why I trust them.

 

[standardtoaster]

I can say that people ******** about characters is always taken with the largest grain of salt possible

 

[Rᴏb]

those must be some big ass grains of salt