Tier List Speculation

[Circle_Breaker]

MK's sword is really bigger than Ragnell? I need to check out his hit/hurtbox data.

 

[Deleted member]

Ragnell is the biggest sword in the game. IIRC it goes something like

Ragnell, MK Sword, Link, Roy/Marth, Toonlink?

 

[Frost | Odds]

Ragnell, MK Sword, Marth, Link, Roy, Toonlink, Kirby

I think

 

[Deleted member]

marth > link > roy?
what? can't tell if troll or srs

 

[InfinityCollision]

99% sure Link's sword is longer than Marth's in PM. Not sure about Marth's vs Roy's.

 

[jtm94]

MK's sword is just smaller by a hair than Ike's and Link's is approximately the same as Marth's. Marth/Roy are pretty much identical in range. The change in distance is their stance though.

Spoiler

 

[InfinityCollision]

I can't help but laugh at the fact that MK's sword is mere inches shorter than Ragnell, even if a full third of that length is in the hilt. Smash is crazy sometimes.

Functionally speaking that would confirm Link's sword as longer than Marth's since Marth holds his sword slightly further from the base + the blade itself is slightly longer.

 

[FreeGamer]

Meta Knight must be on some serious roids if he can swing Galaxia so fast, let alone carry it one-handed...

 

[Bazkip]

You guys are all wrong. Ganon's sword is the longest.

 

[steelguttey]

but how can everyone outrange dk when he expands dong?

 

[InfinityCollision]

Meta Knight must be on some serious roids if he can swing Galaxia so fast, let alone carry it one-handed...

Now we know why MK was OP in Brawl, he's been doping this whole time.

 

[Circle_Breaker]

He's just the only one to get caught! If you removed all dopers from the brawl tier list, Kirby would be the top tier!

In P:M the policy has clearly been adjusted to "take whatever drugs you want" and everyone is on lots of crank

 

[CyberZixx]

Except Ganon. Dude got integrity.

 

[FreeGamer]

He's just the only one to get caught! If you removed all dopers from the brawl tier list, Kirby would be the top tier!

In P:M the policy has clearly been adjusted to "take whatever drugs you want" and everyone is on lots of crank

Crank? Don't you mean JANK?

 

[InfinityCollision]

Except Ganon. Dude got integrity.

Gotta do them curls brah

 

[victinivcreate1]

Gotta do them curls brah

Oh lord. Imagining Ganondorf with curlers in his locks is hilarious.

 

[CORY]

Gotta do them curls brah

grabgrabgrabgrab...

he's actually the worst kind of curlbro, he only works out on of his arms.

 

[Taytertot]

Not sure if someone's mentioned this but roy isnt on the list at all. with sethlon doing well in most touneys he plays i find it hard to believe there isnt enough MU info but maybe im wrong.

 

[The Revolutionary Cafe]

Yeah wheres my ? I guess is also missing but MUH

 

[CyberZixx]

Not sure if someone's mentioned this but roy isnt on the list at all. with sethlon doing well in most touneys he plays i find it hard to believe there isnt enough MU info but maybe im wrong.

If you are referring to the first page, it is very outdated and thus any character past 2.5 is not included. As for Roy I think he is ok. Sethlon is just incredible with the character.

 

[Strong Badam]

Not sure if someone's mentioned this but roy isnt on the list at all. with sethlon doing well in most touneys he plays i find it hard to believe there isnt enough MU info but maybe im wrong.

The OP was made shortly after 2.5's release and as such doesn't have characters like MK, Yoshi, Ice Climbers, Roy, Mewtwo, etc..

 

[shairn]

I also agree his uair is one of the best juggle moves in the game, you can say they are DIable, but he definitely has the mobility to react and just keep chaining them.

SDI uair to the side, DI the next hit to the same side and MK gets no followup.

 

[Deleted member]

Jesus chriiiiist toonlinks sword is so small, how can I do good with such a poopy butt sword

 

[Frost | Odds]

Zach pls sandbag more so tink can get buffs

I want to win a thing without having to work for it =[

 

[jtm94]

Marth reaches very far in most of his moves giving him more range than the other swordsman on most moves.

 

[victinivcreate1]

Zach pls sandbag more so tink can get buffs

I want to win a thing without having to work for it =[

LOL then how are you gonna be the very best, like no one ever was, with zero effort put into it?

Sensing lethargy.

 

[KayB]

Jesus chriiiiist toonlinks sword is so small, how can I do good with such a poopy butt sword

Presenting: "My Character Sucks and is Low Tier! How do I Win?!" starring Lunchables, Episode 265739532

 

[jtm94]

I know this is crazy, but what if Toon Link was actually high mid tier?

 

[Jolteon]

I know this is crazy, but what if Toon Link was actually high mid tier?

pls

 

[steelguttey]

but how can toon link be good if [insert how toon links boomerang isnt link's stupid ****ing boomerang]?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!1one!11!!!

 

[Bleck]

I thought Toon Link was only a legend

 

[steelguttey]

and can we talk about how people think olimar is bottom 5 and ss got top 8 at ltc

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

People calling Galaxia 'MKSword' and Falchion "Marth Sword" physically hurt me.

RESPECT THE SWORDS.

 

[didds]

Sandor Clegane told me that it's lame to name your sword

 

[WIZRD.Pro]

Sandor Clegane told me that it's lame to name your sword

My sword is named Clarence.

 

[steelguttey]

do you know what toon link's sword is named?

inadequate

 

[InfinityCollision]

So MK's sword is named Overcompensating?

 

[victinivcreate1]

So whats the general opinion on chaingrabs?

Personally I think they're perfectly ok, and allow for hype combos and comebacks, but they should be dustributed to characters who need them. Mario should not have a chaingrab as effective as his downthrow because he is so easy to use and already has other dumb things about him. Pit should not have a CG as effective as his down throw because he is probably the best edgeguarder in PM, and doesn't need grabs to aid his combo/punish game, especially when he has is down air.

IMO good chaingrabs are
Marth's up throw/fthrow
Snake's up throw
Ganondorf's down throw
MK's down throw

None of these are particularly over centralizing and they're escapable by DI. Also they don't last overly long either.

IMO Pit and Mario can keep their CGs, but raise the knockback growth so they stop working at say 55-60. Also, bring back Sheik's down throw, but with those nerfs.

 

[steelguttey]

Ganondorf's down throw


Also they don't last overly long either.

 

[KayB]

Chain throws may need to be tweaked, but it isn't that big of a deal. In many scenarios, your better off just continuing a combo instead of re-grabbing for another chain throw. Plus, most chain throws don't do that much damage to begin with.

G&W Melee down throw would be amazing.