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Maybe i dont see it 100% the way he sees it, its more of a mixture between the two. People put Fox and Falco at the top with either the logic that "They have the best tools" or "They have more favorable matchups"
when we really dont know what every character can do. There are several brawl mechanics that a lot of people just overlook, such as dacus, aerial glide toss, RAR, footstooling, and more that could possibly make a difference in a characters toolset.
Imagine if the spacies were given these tools as of the release of PM, imagine what they could do in Melee didnt even exist and were only given these tools as of now. I can almost guarantee that they wouldnt be as high as they were now. Im not saying they'd be the worst, of course they'd still be good. They'd probably be around the same as Wolf imo.
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so what?
we don't necessarily know what every character can do, but that doesn't matter because a tier list is never static
if the current state of the game suggests that spacies are the best then they will be placed as such regardless of why they seem like the best
whether they are the best in this moment because they have a head start in metagame or because other characters aren't being explored or w/e doesn't matter for any future discussion... things can change, ya dig?
just look at Brawl for example
people didn't know about the full potential of Ice Climbers or Olimar and overrated characters like G&W and DDD when the game was relatively new and we can see this in early tier lists
but given the community's knowledge of the game at the time they weren't wrong to put characters higher or lower than they are today because the first tier lists simply reflected the knowledge at the time of its creation
so maybe in the future we'll see that the spacies aren't at the top anymore, but right now given what we know about 3.02 in its infancy spacies sure do seem like they are still (mostly) all that and a bag of chips
and so what if we eventually learn more about the game that shows otherwise?
the tier list (not that it currently exists) would just change to reflect new knowledge
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Mind you the CT tier list is a pretty poor reflection of the current pool of knowledge
I think most people are just despise the idea of a tier list being made for the game period too and would be mad at a tier list regardless at who made it
you have some people who insist that the game wouldn't need a tier list because it goes against the idea of the mod
then you have people who just genuinely hate tier lists and they give some garbage reason like "it encourages people to just pick the best character instead of putting the work into somebody like N
esseutral B" and that's flawed thinking in its own right but oh wells
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