Tier List Speculation

[Ogopogo]

Project m is simply a slang word.

YOU'RE a slang word. #rekt

more on topic: How would you design Zelda to be more fun to play/play against?

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

9bit has no girlfriend

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

9bit confirmed as fastest man alive in the bedroom

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

The Project Melee Illuminati eh?
They won't stop at nerfing top tiers into oblivion; it's all a scheme leading to world domination.

You people dont understand their motives. They dont want money, power, or women. They just want project melee to have a spot at mlg and evo and i am determined to put these blasphemers back in their place. Which are side tournaments.

 

[9bit]

This is exactly what I was saying about The_Enlightenment before. No stamina. Can't last a day.

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

Stop derailing my threads 9but

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

9bit is a fraud

 

[9bit]

I actually feel kinda honored

Relevant to thread: DooDooDooze is solidly mid-tier. Dedede is still bottom tho

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

You should be. Strong bad took the same punishment and is now afraid to discuss anything related to spacies on smashboards from all the trauma. You are holding up much better

 

[| Big D |]

Dedede is definitely top tier.

If someone can tell me why he's bad I'd love to hear it.

 

[BJN39]

Context clues. It should never be difficult to tell what the official name of the project is when its personal youtube channel goes by a certain title. Project m is simply a slang word.

Actually, I think one time someone from the PMBR said that the name "Project M" or the such, was already taken on youtube, so they used "projectmelee" instead. I could be mistaken though...

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

Actually, I think one time someone from the PMBR said that the name "Project M" or the such, was already taken on youtube, so they used "projectmelee" instead. I could be mistaken though...

Eh that logic is sketchy at best. When I first read that i knew something fishy was going on

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

Dedede is definitely top tier.

If someone can tell me why he's bad I'd love to hear it.

Hes not, its just everyone bases their opinions off of what theyve seen before and when a character is underplayed they assume that hes garbage. You cant blame people not wanting to meddle with that tub of lard though

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

9bit I challenge you to a battle of stamina. We will fight it out in a 99 stock project m duel with our preferred character of choice. The loser drops smashboards for life.

 

[Giygacoal]

I've been following since before Demo 1. "Project M" is the official name. "Project Melee" has never been an official name; it was used on the media channels simply because the ProjectM handle was taken and the BR didn't think to use something like "ProjectMGame" at the time.

 

[Giygacoal]

Its called project melee because the game was copied off of it. There would by copyright concerns if the devs didnt acknowledge this, hence it is called project melee. Project m is only thrown around when people are too embarrassed to admit this in public

Yeah sure, Nintendo definitely OWNS the word "Melee".

 

[C_Mill24]

Yeah sure, Nintendo definitely OWNS the word "Melee".

In the same way King owns the word "Saga."

 

[OmegaObi-wan144]

In the same way King owns the word "Saga."

In the same way that obi wan owns 9bits mother

 

[Paradoxium]

OmegaObi-wan144, your psychotic ramblings are reminiscent of our past idiots, who have spread legions of stupidity long before you ever joined. In a way, you're their successor, it's up to you to continue committing acts of cumdumpstery and stupidly on these forums, you're the only one who can.


Yea I'm sitting class right now, and I'm bored beyond imagination.

 

[woundedust]

So I all I have to do is start talking about how unfun fighting Falco is and I'll get support? Coolbeanz.

*ahem*

LASERS.

And down air

 

[BJN39]

And down air

Pfft, you two just don't shine.

 

[Metazoa]

...So how about mid-tiers? Most of us have a general idea of who's top and bottom, so I think that the middle is perhaps the most interesting part of the PM list in that there is where the lines between better and worse become increasingly more blurry.

Who's in it? Who's gonna move up or down from it?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Ike and Roy are both solid mid, imo. Marth is either low top or high mid, with Link hovering somewhere around there, too.

#swordopinions

 

[Bryonato]

...So how about mid-tiers? Most of us have a general idea of who's top and bottom, so I think that the middle is perhaps the most interesting part of the PM list in that there is where the lines between better and worse become increasingly more blurry.

Who's in it? Who's gonna move up or own from it?

I feel like there is a general consensus on who is top/bottom 10 and then everyone else is just kind of all over the place in mid tier

 

[Metazoa]

I think that's where the most interesting shifts will happen.
Who from the mid-tier will be strong enough to join the tops? Or too weak to hang with the mids and be forced into the lows?
Who from the lows will be developed enough to join the mids?

You know, that kinda stuff. Of course, being that there's few big tournaments or super metagame-defining tech for most characters right now, solid answers to these questions could take a little while.

 

[F. Blue]

If the M doesn't stand for Melee they should probably take out wavedashing and L-cancelling and all those physics values ported directly from Melee.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

And not use Brawl as a base or having it on the Wii

What does "Project" have to do with Smash at all, just create your own fighting engine and all the assets

Also, all the swordies are, at the worst, solid.

 

[Rᴏb]

This discussion is cancerous

 

[Narsic]

What defines a character now is probably along the lines of tournament viability, how a certain character increases a players chances of winning a tournament more than others. I like how right now all characters are manageable, of course I think some characters need to be tweaked a little. I just can't wait to see where this game goes

 

[The_Altrox]

I always thought the M stood for Mocha Latte. I mean, look how fast all of these characters move now. They must be on some sort of caffeine.

 

[Plum]

Ike and Roy are both solid mid, imo. Marth is either low top or high mid, with Link hovering somewhere around there, too.

#swordopinions

I think people generally overrate Roy by a little bit.
I would put him in low mid at best, though my gut says a high low is more appropriate.
His core issues still remain from the transition to PM from Melee. While the rewards he receives from positive interactions are much higher he still struggles to actually come out on top. I think the rewards are high enough that Roy can succeed at almost any level of play, but as the level of skill increases the amount of mistakes Roy can capitalize on diminish and it becomes progressively harder.

It's basically the same story as Falcon in Melee competitive play (and basically his translation into PM). As you progress through big tournaments it just gets harder and harder for Falcon to do well despite having arguably the highest rewards on average from successful conversions. You can see some great Falcon players get very far at big tournaments but they always seem to fall short of the top because his weaknesses become more apparent at the highest level.

 

[Guilu]

The mid tier is pretty much the place where characters people don't know enough about go.
Roy still has issues killing, and in general the same issues he has in Melee are still present, but his damage output is surprisingly high. I originally wrote him off as low tier but now I'm not so sure.
Definitely not top tier though.

 

[Bryonato]

If the M doesn't stand for Melee they should probably take out wavedashing and L-cancelling and all those physics values ported directly from Melee.

LOGIC

 

[Kink-Link5]

The mid tier is pretty much the place where characters people don't know enough about go.
Roy still has issues killing, and in general the same issues he has in Melee are still present, but his damage output is surprisingly high. I originally wrote him off as low tier but now I'm not so sure.
Definitely not top tier though.

I too hope for the day that our tier lists have Top, High, and Bottom Tiers only.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Everyone is midtier. Except DDD because he's Ivan Ooze tier

 

[Metazoa]

I too hope for the day that our tier lists have Top, High, and Bottom Tiers only.

Donuts are better with the hole inside.
Or like, a filling of some kind.

 

[Guilu]

I too hope for the day that our tier lists have Top, High, and Bottom Tiers only.

What's the use of a mid-tier when it cannot compete ? You only need three tiers : Those who can compete, those who cannot, and those who are hilariously bad.

 

[Oracle]

If ability to compete were the only criterion then we would only have one tier

 

[Empyrean]

I go away for one day and I miss all the enlightening fun. Seriously though, how come all these people come start their careers on the Tier List thread and end up showing their hate for SB?

Now on to real business. What is the general consensus on C. Falcon's placement on the list? Does he suffer from "the rest of the cast got better so yeah" syndrome? He seems to be definitely better than his Melee self, but where is it he falls so low? Very predictable and punishable recovery?

 

[Plum]

If ability to compete were the only criterion then we would only have one tier

Melee only has one tier too because Pichu and Kirby can technically compete, right?