"Thinner character, bigger appeal!" Paper Mario for SSB4; Thread migration soon!

[Tetra's Tracker]

Just because Mr. Game and Watch is 2D doesn't mean his entire moveset is based on that idea though...

A moveset being based off being 2D doesn't make sense. It's not possible to make a moveset which is based around being 2D, but it is possible to make a moveset around being a piece of paper. Paper Mario's moveset not being based around paper would be as big a waste as Mr. Game & Watch's moveset not being based around the Game & Watch games.

 

[SpaceJell0]

A moveset being based off being 2D doesn't make sense. It's not possible to make a moveset which is based around being 2D, but it is possible to make a moveset around being a piece of paper. Paper Mario's moveset not being based around paper would be as big a waste as Mr. Game & Watch's moveset not being based around the Game & Watch games.

Some, but not all elements of Paper Mario are based off of paper, but his RPG elements are what make him unique as well as the paper design. We can all agree on that.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't think his moveset should use them. His moveset should be based around his being made of paper and the abilities he's able to perform because of it. If it isn't then the big gimmick of the character would be completely wasted. No other character who's ever going to be in Smash Bros will be made of paper, that's why his moveset's got to make the most of it.

Exactly! He should be able to glide by slowly falling like a piece of paper, he can turn into a paper airplane, and of course use some of his abilities from the games, like his hammer. I agree that some timed attacks would be unique as well, to bring the RPG element that Paper Mario would also need.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Revival!

With Toad pretty much deconfirmed, I guess I'll support this as our next Mario character now. He seems to be the most unique and he's always been my 2nd in command for a Mario character with Toad being first.

 

[APC99]

Eh, now I'm tied up between Waluigi, Geno and Paper Mario for the next Mario newcomer. I still think Toad's got more of a chance than Bowser Junior, though.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Eh, now I'm tied up between Waluigi, Geno and Paper Mario for the next Mario newcomer. I still think Toad's got more of a chance than Bowser Junior, though.

I don't see how he has a better chance than Toad, Toad is pretty much dead in the water now.

 

[APC99]

I don't see how he has a better chance than Toad, Toad is pretty much dead in the water now.

I just don't like the idea of Bowser Junior as playable before we get Toad. It makes no sense as to include a secondary antagonist who's only appeared more recently over a protagonist who's been part of the main series and spin-offs for almost 40 years. Paper Mario, I'm not even sure if it's crossed Sakurai's mind, but I do hope it has, and Waluigi's just got a lot of moveset possibility and fame on the internet. Geno's just my dream character, and I really don't think that there's too many other threats to the Mario characters, including Rosalina (just because she's a playable character in 3D World does not mean Rosalina's a shoo-in!)

 

[aldelaro5]

ah finally people are getting more active on this thread (seriously I had the feeling that no one cared about paper mario) so I know that bowser jr has imo more chance but tbh even tough I prefer pmario, bowser jr would be really good so if we get pmario or jr I would be pleased (I mean as long as the paper mario serie gets more than trophies and stickers, I'm good)

 

[Hippopotasauce]

ah finally people are getting more active on this thread (seriously I had the feeling that no one cared about paper mario) so I know that bowser jr has imo more chance but tbh even tough I prefer pmario, bowser jr would be really good so if we get pmario or jr I would be pleased (I mean as long as the paper mario serie gets more than trophies and stickers, I'm good)

Yeah Paper Mario's my number 2 as far as hopes and dreams go.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I just don't like the idea of Bowser Junior as playable before we get Toad. It makes no sense as to include a secondary antagonist who's only appeared more recently over a protagonist who's been part of the main series and spin-offs for almost 40 years. Paper Mario, I'm not even sure if it's crossed Sakurai's mind, but I do hope it has, and Waluigi's just got a lot of moveset possibility and fame on the internet. Geno's just my dream character, and I really don't think that there's too many other threats to the Mario characters, including Rosalina (just because she's a playable character in 3D World does not mean Rosalina's a shoo-in!)

Yeah, I don't like Jr. getting in before Toad, but Toad seems to be deconfirmed now. I really hope Waluigi doesn't get in (no offense) and I hope Rosalina makes it, but I'm not too sure yet.

 

[Ghirahilda]

So... Rosalina confirmed!
Mario characters lose their hopes! Only Paper Mario survived because he can represent his own series like Yoshi, Wario and even DK! NO! THERE IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST ME! I WANT TO BELIEVE!

 

[Ultinarok]

Revival!

With Toad pretty much deconfirmed, I guess I'll support this as our next Mario character now. He seems to be the most unique and he's always been my 2nd in command for a Mario character with Toad being first.

I never believed Toad would ever be a character anyway. Even though he is an incredibly significant character in the series, its like the equivalent of having Koopa Troopa, Skulltula, Kremling or Bulborb as playable. He's more like a recurring race than a recurring character, even if he's playable. Plus I've never seen much moveset potential for him. What would he use? Headbutts in every attack?

I've supported Paper Mario since day one. He is a representative for a well-loved and popular series and on top of that, I don't think he even counts as a Mario rep. At this point, his unique universe of games makes him more like Wario or Yoshi...a Mario character who has his own franchise. Just 'cause he's a paper version of Mario doesn't mean he needs to represent him. He can represent his OWN games; he's had four games of his own, all rpg's and all based on a sort of sub-universe of Mario (one where everything is flat).

At the very least, if one wants to count him as a Mario rep, he's still as important as Toon Link: an alternate universe version of the main character who has a large number of his own successful games. And it goes without saying between his partners, star spirits, items and hammer there is MORE than enough potential for a moveset. Paper Mario needs to be in, and I think making him his own series rep would also boost the chances of characters like B. Jr.

 

[aldelaro5]

So... Rosalina confirmed!
Mario characters lose their hopes! Only Paper Mario survived because he can represent his own series like Yoshi, Wario and even DK! NO! THERE IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST ME! I WANT TO BELIEVE!

Hum... this lead me to think that even if there's 5 mario rep, paper mario still have a SMALL chance.

Because, tbh with you, I don't think that he's a main mario serie rep but more of a sub-serie rep that still have some awesome potential. For bowser jr, sadly, I agree I think his chance went like toad. Paper mario however, isn't a real mario rep so, if he even get here, there's no way he would be the same serie as mario but, if dr mario was going to be in ssbb... does that mean that there's still some tiny hope? IMO, there's 2 facts about paper mario that could bring him into the roster 1) he's made of paper and I think this sounds enough to say that you can potentially do some stuff never done before and 2) his partner mechanic which is btw, the most unique thing about this character.

As you can see, idk if I should hope anymore because the only way that he would get in is the fact that he's from a sub-serie and that we already saw some of these cases before that got in. So, I want your opinion, do you think he still have a single chance to be in the roster? I allready said my point but I'm interested to hear if you have the same perception as me or if you think we should stop say that he won't be there.

 

[Ghirahilda]

Hum... this lead me to think that even if there's 5 mario rep, paper mario still have a SMALL chance.

Because, tbh with you, I don't think that he's a main mario serie rep but more of a sub-serie rep that still have some awesome potential. For bowser jr, sadly, I agree I think his chance went like toad. Paper mario however, isn't a real mario rep so, if he even get here, there's no way he would be the same serie as mario but, if dr mario was going to be in ssbb... does that mean that there's still some tiny hope? IMO, there's 2 facts about paper mario that could bring him into the roster 1) he's made of paper and I think this sounds enough to say that you can potentially do some stuff never done before and 2) his partner mechanic which is btw, the most unique thing about this character.

As you can see, idk if I should hope anymore because the only way that he would get in is the fact that he's from a sub-serie and that we already saw some of these cases before that got in. So, I want your opinion, do you think he still have a single chance to be in the roster? I allready said my point but I'm interested to hear if you have the same perception as me or if you think we should stop say that he won't be there.

Yes, I think he have chances. I think Rosalina's confirmation don't hurt him because, as I said before, he needs to represent his OWN series.
Rosalina's confirmation only hurts a thing that every other newcomers appearing will hurts: slots... But doesn't hurt him because she is a mario series's character...

I'n not assuming that he will appear, I don't have sure, nobody has!
But remembering that Paper Mario Sticker Star was being made/launched at the same time that Sakurai was plannig the initial details of the game...
I'm hoping for a Paper Mario for Wii U next year at E3 (or 2015), because every home console since N64 has one game from Paper Mario series (handhelds started with 3DS only). AND I have sure that Sakurai thinked in him (paper mario), but I can't tell how he analized him and what he thinks about him, nobody can...

I will love to see other people's opinions and thoughts!

 

[AnOkayDM]

!

Please.

Paper Mario enters the fold.

 

[aldelaro5]

ok I heard a while ago a thing that I found interesting

in the end of September 2013, an Intelligent system employee posted an interesting stuff on his likedin profile here's the link

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-anderson/24/7/ba4

it says: "I am currently working on an unannounced title for the Wii U, as well as providing tools support for other internal teams.

Shipped Titles:
•Paper Mario : Sticker Star
•Daigasso! Band Brothers P
•Game & Wario
•Eco Shooter Plant 530,
•Kousoku Card Battle: Card Hero ."

now idk if there was any newly announced titles on the Wi U between September and now but I don't think there was one and considering that this guy already worked on the latest instalment on the paper mario serie, this could mean this: it's possible that this unannounced title is a paper mario one and if it's the case, we could see some information in some months.

So, what do you guys think? do you think that that there would be a paper mario title announced before the release of ssb4?

 

[Pazzo.]

With Rosalina, how fares Paper Mario's Chances?

 

[aldelaro5]

With Rosalina, how fares Paper Mario's Chances?

I said my opinion a little higher but I can sum it up by this: I think that paper mario isn't really a mario character but more like his own serie because his serie is so much different from the main one and the fact that he's still have some awesome potential, I think he still have chance just a LITTLE lower than before.

 

[AnOkayDM]

With Rosalina, how fares Paper Mario's Chances?

I think, since he would represent his own series like Wario and Yoshi, that he has the highest chance for another Mario newcomer, and that makes me very happy.

However, his chances were never super high I feel, so it's not like I expect him.

 

[ImaClubYou]

PM1 and TTYD are my favorite games of all time. I've played through it a million times, can't anymore since the disc broke, though.

I'd love him to be in Smash. His normals would involve mostly his basic moves as well as badge moves while his specials and possibly Smashes would involve his partners as well as taunts. FS would be a combination of Star Spirits, Crystal Stars, and Pure Hearts.

I haven't played Sticker Star, btw.

 

[Reznor]

so I think Paper Mario's final smash should be danger Mario

 

[aldelaro5]

PM1 and TTYD are my favorite games of all time. I've played through it a million times, can't anymore since the disc broke, though.

I'd love him to be in Smash. His normals would involve mostly his basic moves as well as badge moves while his specials and possibly Smashes would involve his partners as well as taunts. FS would be a combination of Star Spirits, Crystal Stars, and Pure Hearts.

I haven't played Sticker Star, btw.

And I even had an idea for aerial: his stylish figures in ttyd.

like really one argument that really tells me that he has decent chance is the fact that he has literally EVERYTHING a smash game needs to have (basicly, I'm talking about the moveset). And even more than that, he's what I would call a "toon link case but WAY different than his equivalent" which is good because toon link has haters mainly due to his clone status and I don't think they can change that but they can with paper mario.

 

[pitthekit]

The final boss made me so angry. It is the only time a game has managed to surprise me with a plot twist I did not see coming, and in a Mario game no less. :\

I'm excited to see what Sticker Star brings. I've been thinking that now Toad Town has returned, it should be a Paper Mario stage if we get one.

how about instead of paper mario we include Spoilers SPOILERS ZOMG dimentio.

 

[Xhampi]

so I think Paper Mario's final smash should be danger Mario

Nope it's going to be the paper shredder, of course

 

[AnOkayDM]

I haven't played Sticker Star, btw.

Don't.

how about instead of paper mario we include Spoilers SPOILERS ZOMG dimentio.

How about no?

 

[Pazzo.]

I think, since he would represent his own series like Wario and Yoshi, that he has the highest chance for another Mario newcomer, and that makes me very happy.

However, his chances were never super high I feel, so it's not like I expect him.

I said my opinion a little higher but I can sum it up by this: I think that paper mario isn't really a mario character but more like his own serie because his serie is so much different from the main one and the fact that he's still have some awesome potential, I think he still have chance just a LITTLE lower than before.

Alrighty then, thanks! I'd love to see some original characters, and Paper Mario fits the bill.

 

[Ghirahilda]

I will make a moveset for him, I will try to find GIFs and other stuff around about him. I played every Paper Mario game, so I know a lot about him, and I'm kind of a Mario research since everyday I visit Mario Wiki to update my "gaming information"

 

[JediLink]

Guys. Come on. If anyone gets into Smash 4, it should be this guy:

 

[pitthekit]

I play paper mario ttyd and spm I think dimentio could be an illusionist character and have illusions explode. FYI ttyd was my favorite paper mario I loved the chapter with the train

 

[ImaClubYou]

Guys. Come on. If anyone gets into Smash 4, it should be this guy:

It would be cool. I made an entire move set for him in the Rawk Hawk thread, but it's all for lolzies.

B moves:

Neutral B: Bow: Mario calls out Bow and throws quick slaps as fast as lightning. If used in the air you can gain slight vertical momentum.

Forward B: Kooper/Koops: Mario kicks a shell forward. Kooper and Koops will take turns every usage. Koops' shell posses multi hit properties but as the shell returns to Mario will bring the opponent with it. Koopers has a strong hitbox at the tip with fire properties and will do slight knockback on the way back.

Up B: Lakilester and Flurrie: Mario hops on Lakilester while Flurrie blows from under the cloud to give them a lift. Lakilester holds a Spiny egg above his head during the recovery. Pressing B during the recovery at any time will cause Lakilester to lob the spiny doing massive damage and pressing A at any time will cause mario to jump off of Lakilester. Flurrie has a wind hitbox going up.

Down B: Bombette/Bobbery: Mario lobs one of them forward. As the match goes on they will very slowly walk across the entire stage, turning around on edges. After 20 seconds they explode on their own but pressing down b again will cause them to explode immediately. If used in the air, they will explode within close range to Mario and the resulting shockwave will cause Mario to fly up as a valid recovery. Be aware that it does hurt you.

Taunt: Mario wags his finger as his HP and FP refill(aesthetically of course)

Also a good idea for a stage feature would be to have Goombario, Goombella, and professor Frankly to be give info on your opponent as Mario's secret taunt.

 

[AnOkayDM]

There's no reason for a side character from one world to get in over the main character of the game.

 

[aldelaro5]

There's no reason for a side character from one world to get in over the main character of the game.

This is especially true when we are talking about a roster of 45 characters your character has to worth it

 

[JediLink]

There's no reason for a side character from one world to get in over the main character of the game.

I'm kidding. Obviously Rawk Hawk isn't a priority choice. That said, I don't think Mario himself is the only possible rep for the series, even if he might be the best. I could see Dimentio or Bleck working, or maybe even Grodus. They're all pretty major characters with some decent moveset potential.

 

[AnOkayDM]

I'm kidding. Obviously Rawk Hawk isn't a priority choice. That said, I don't think Mario himself is the only possible rep for the series, even if he might be the best. I could see Dimentio or Bleck working, or maybe even Grodus. They're all pretty major characters with some decent moveset potential.

I'd be okay with them as long as Paper Mario was in first. I dunno, it just feels wrong not to have him before his villains.
Dimentio would actually be pretty awesome.

 

[JediLink]

I'd be okay with them as long as Paper Mario was in first. I dunno, it just feels wrong not to have him before his villains.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Main characters should always get priority. It's still a crime that Mega Man isn't in MvC3. However, the only thing is, Mario sort of already is in. Yeah, I know that Mario and Paper Mario are vastly different, but they're still supposed to be the same Mario (unless the paper series is set in an alternate timeline/dimension or something, which I suppose would make sense), unlike Link/Toon Link where it's a different character with the same name. That's why I don't think Paper Mario is totally necessary. Feel free to disagree, of course.

 

[Rouge]

Guys. Come on. If anyone gets into Smash 4, it should be this guy:

Rawk Hawk's awesome, buuuuuuuut

Doopliss's better, slick.

 

[aldelaro5]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Main characters should always get priority. It's still a crime that Mega Man isn't in MvC3. However, the only thing is, Mario sort of already is in. Yeah, I know that Mario and Paper Mario are vastly different, but they're still supposed to be the same Mario (unless the paper series is set in an alternate timeline/dimension or something, which I suppose would make sense), unlike Link/Toon Link where it's a different character with the same name. That's why I don't think Paper Mario is totally necessary. Feel free to disagree, of course.

mario and paper tbh feels very different eachother for me. I just see it when I'm playing ttyd it's very different when I play sm3dw and the same goes for wind waker vs twilight princess.

my point here, is that the fact they are both mario doesn't matter for me as long as I have the feeling that they are different it's okay btw, even melee state on the paper mario trophy that his game has "unique artistry".

 

[Ghirahilda]

The argument "they are the same character" is invalid because Dr. Mario IS Mario and appeared in Meele.

 

[AnOkayDM]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Main characters should always get priority. It's still a crime that Mega Man isn't in MvC3. However, the only thing is, Mario sort of already is in. Yeah, I know that Mario and Paper Mario are vastly different, but they're still supposed to be the same Mario (unless the paper series is set in an alternate timeline/dimension or something, which I suppose would make sense), unlike Link/Toon Link where it's a different character with the same name. That's why I don't think Paper Mario is totally necessary. Feel free to disagree, of course.

I disagree. Link and Young Link are the same exact person, and yet they were in, so there's no excuse to put in a character from a Paper Mario game without having Paper Mario in first.

 

[JediLink]

I disagree. Link and Young Link are the same exact person, and yet they were in, so there's no excuse to put in a character from a Paper Mario game without having Paper Mario in first.

I don't understand your reasoning, sir. I never said that Paper Mario can't be in because there's already a Mario. I just don't think it's mandatory for him to be in before other characters. Like, I don't think it would have been mandatory to have Young Link before Skull Kid if Adult Link already exists.