"Thinner character, bigger appeal!" Paper Mario for SSB4; Thread migration soon!

[Arcadenik]

Sticker Star's battle system worked fine to me. You do get stronger, the game just doesn't tell you that. I noticed how stronger Mario became when I revisit past levels/worlds. When I jump on an enemy, it would be defeated right away instead of me entering a battle scene like I used to in the beginning.

 

[TheCreator]

Well maybe I need to invest some more time in it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I just realized... There's always been one Mario RPG game per console since the SNES. Imagine how Paper Mario Wii U would look in HD. I think it would utilize the Game Pad somehow.

Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time and Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story were both released on DS.

 

[TheCreator]

Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time and Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story were both released on DS.

Why does this matter?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why does this matter?

Just reminding..

 

[TheCreator]

I still think he'd have my favorite moveset of all the newcomers (besides maybe K.Rool) if he got in.

 

[FalKoopa]

Bump for more discussion. :D

 

[TheCreator]

THANK YOU

 

[Banjodorf]

Paper Mario for Sm4sh!


He's technically my favorite pick, even though I see Jr. as more likely. If they wanted to rep Paper Mario though, there's just so much they can do with it. Although I'm hoping Sakurai/Bamco pull more from TTYD than Sticker Star. Infact, use TTYD as the model. That's the dream. Partner asists as a Bv could be excellent.


He's an idea: What if the partners (from either TTYD or PM, I don't think the Pixls should be part of the Bv, they work better as aerial assists) switched every time you used the Bv? Like say Vivian grabs you or something, or burns them, and Koops defends, etc. and it worked on a rotation? A static one, so it's not so gimmicky.


Also, I REALLY want a Paper Mario stage that paperizes every character. That'd be orgasmic.

 

[TheCreator]

Paper Mario for Sm4sh!


He's technically my favorite pick, even though I see Jr. as more likely. If they wanted to rep Paper Mario though, there's just so much they can do with it. Although I'm hoping Sakurai/Bamco pull more from TTYD than Sticker Star. Infact, use TTYD as the model. That's the dream. Partner asists as a Bv could be excellent.


He's an idea: What if the partners (from either TTYD or PM, I don't think the Pixls should be part of the Bv, they work better as aerial assists) switched every time you used the Bv? Like say Vivian grabs you or something, or burns them, and Koops defends, etc. and it worked on a rotation? A static one, so it's not so gimmicky.


Also, I REALLY want a Paper Mario stage that paperizes every character. That'd be orgasmic.

Sling a thing, from sticker star would make all the characters stickers.

 

[Banjodorf]

Sling a thing, from sticker star would make all the characters stickers.

I was thinking more graphically, just so that everyone look like Paper Mario-esque characters, rather than just turning them into stickers, while playing on a certain stage.


It's sort of intense graphically, but it's doable, and could be *really* interesting.

 

[FalKoopa]

He could be used to unlock more stickers in Smash 4. Coincidence?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Paper Mario would actually be an amazing addition. Still, would probably choose Toad above him if it where to come between them. That'd only be out of preference for Toad out of personal vallues, as I know Paper Mario would likely add more uniqueness to the roster.

 

[BluePikmin11]

This video gives a pretty good visual of what Paper Mario could be like in Smash, he actually fits really well.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think his uniqueness is what really makes him seem like a good addition to me. Although i'm not entirely sure he will beat out Toad or Bowser Jr. for a spot.

Quite honestly, while I don't mind Toad, he just isn't the type of character that would make me WANT to play as him. He just seems boring overall. Bowser Jr. does that a little better for me, but Paper Mario is probably the most unique character, at least to me.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Paper Mario Sticker Star was the best selling Paper Mario game. He's 99% in.

 

[volbound1700]

I wouldn't mind seeing Paper Mario in it.

 

[Second Power]

Paper Mario Sticker Star was the best selling Paper Mario game. He's 99% in.

Actually, if we go by VGchartz (which, from what I've heard, isn't reliable at all), Sticker Star was the worst selling one. In addition, sales alone don't matter. Golden Sun outsold Pikmin (albeit, only by a small margin) (and, again, according to VGchartz), yet, Olimar was the one to get in. There's other factors such as popularity (not the same as sales. I'd like to point out that Fossil Fighter's first game outsold Xenoblade), Sakurai's bias, etc. Besides, odds don't apply here. Sakurai doesn't set up a dart board to choose characters, there's a method. We simply have no idea what is and simply guess based on logic and past additions.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Exactly VGHartz isn't reliable. Olimar was first party, Isaac is second. Sure Camelot is really close to Nintendo, but it's not a surprise that Miyamoto's new born character had priority.
I read from various sources that Sticker Star was the fastest selling Paper Mario game. I base that on NeoGAF mostly, which is really reliable since comes with multiple sources.

Anyway that's why I said 99% and not 100%. Nothing's certain sure, but Paper Mario is stronger than ever.

 

[Second Power]

Exactly VGHartz isn't reliable. Olimar was first party, Isaac is second. Sure Camelot is really close to Nintendo, but it's not a surprise that Miyamoto's new born character had priority.

Which is exactly why I said sales weren't the only determining factor.

I read from various sources that Sticker Star was the fastest selling Paper Mario game. I base that on NeoGAF mostly, which is really reliable since comes with multiple sources.

I'd ask to see some of these, but as I said before, it doesn't really matter since sales aren't too important.

Anyway that's why I said 99% and not 100%. Nothing's certain sure, but Paper Mario is stronger than ever.

From what I've heard, not many people had many nice things to say about Sticker Star. If I gave an analysis, I'd say that his best chance was during Brawl, where he had two great games on everyone's minds. Now, his most recent appearences were in sub-par games.

And, again, no odds! There's no dart board. Character's are chosen for specific reasons. Though, 99% is actually appropriate. Everyone knows that if an event has a 1% chance of happening, its guranteed. Haven't you read, seen, or played anything in your life?

 

[Vintage Creep]

And, again, no odds! There's no dart board. Character's are chosen for specific reasons. Though, 99% is actually appropriate. Everyone knows that if an event has a 1% chance of happening, its guranteed. Haven't you read, seen, or played anything in your life?

I don't really get this last part. Seriously what?
For the sources, meh I should get back and find them. You could trust me or not, doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[Second Power]

It was a joke. In any given work of fiction, if there is a 1% (or 1 in 1000, etc.) chance of something happening, it will happen. You've seriously never seen or read anything where that happened? You can read about it here

And, don't bother with the sales. As I said before, they don't matter. Unless it has suddenly outsold the 'main' series game, simply saying 'they're good' and calling it a day works fine. There are other factors. I, personally, wouldn't mind Paper Mario. But, he fails to be more popular than either Toad or Waliugi (depending on the location) and the modern games are overall underwhelming. Unless you have star power like Ridley and Roy do, there's trouble to be had overcoming these.

 

[Vintage Creep]

It was a joke. In any given work of fiction, if there is a 1% (or 1 in 1000, etc.) chance of something happening, it will happen. You've seriously never seen or read anything where that happened? You can read about it here

And, don't bother with the sales. As I said before, they don't matter. Unless it has suddenly outsold the 'main' series game, simply saying 'they're good' and calling it a day works fine. There are other factors. I, personally, wouldn't mind Paper Mario. But, he fails to be more popular than either Toad or Waliugi (depending on the location) and the modern games are overall underwhelming. Unless you have star power like Ridley and Roy do, there's trouble to be had overcoming these.

Oh I get it now. Never heard that actually, maybe here in Italy is not used that much as a figure of speech.

Anyway I agree Sticker Star isn't that good. And I'm not a big fan of Super Paper Mario either. But I'm positive they're the best selling ones. Popularity it's important, but I don't think Waluigi is that loved in the mainstream users. For some reason he's very well received here on forums or like on 4chan, but on a casual player of Mario Kart for example? Not that sure. We'll see anyway. I'm pretty sure that Paper Mario and possibly another Mario rep (I vote for Bowser Jr. or yes, maybe Toad) will show up. Not Waluigi though. I hope, at least.

 

[Starcutter]

well I hope paper mario gets in, he'd be cool to play as.

 

[Diddy Kong]

This video gives a pretty good visual of what Paper Mario could be like in Smash, he actually fits really well.

For a simple Mr.Game & Watch reskin, that's really awesome! And yes, G&W and Paper Mario would probably be somewhat similar. But more in the trends of and . Not really semi-clones, but just similar characters.

 

[Starcutter]

I wonder what metal paper mario would look like

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

I wonder what metal paper mario would look like

A piece of tin foil.

 

[Dark Phazon]

The way i see it is PM/Bowser J.r/Waluigi and Toad yes even Toad there could all be very unique and intresting fun.

Its just if there moveset is ''Made' So.

 

[Ultinarok]

Paper Mario all the way.

So much potential here...Hammer, Jump Attacks, Paper Airplane form recovery, Pixls, Star Sprites, all sorts of items to use for attacks...on top of this, I still maintain that some sort of alternate universe should show up in the story mode where Mario and Link accidentally stumble into a mirror dimension where they encounter, defeat and recruit, alternate versions of themselves: Toon Link and Paper Mario. Bam. Both "alternate version" characters are immediately justified.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Bumped for support. Paper mario is a great series. It deserves a character.

 

[FalKoopa]

I've a bit pessimistic on his chances now. With Toad making yet another playable appearance, I think he's got an edge.

Whatever, Paper Mario remains my most wanted Mario character who has a chance.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I know some people hate the term "representative" but toad wouldn't represent anything new. Paper Mario has his own series behind him and a unique playstyle to help him through.

And lets not forget that sticker star was released for the 3ds not too long ago. Hes been on both home and portable consoles.

 

[Knight Dude]

I think he's rather unlikely, given that he might get some negative feedback as an unneeded character to a well-represented franchise. Though I have no doubt that he would be very fun to play as given his standout playstyle found in his sub-series. And if we did get another playable Mario character, I personally see it being Bowser Jr. But Paper Mario would arguably be the character with the better moveset.

 

[Darth Shard]

Paper Mario is my #1 character (now that Mega Man is confirmed) for SSB4, and I think he is as likely as any Mario character, if not more probable. Paper Mario is hugely popular, and very different from other Mario incarnations. I don't think he would play all that much like Mr. Game & Watch, based on how he handles in his own series. He'd likely be the most hammer-centric character in the entire cast. His Final Smash would certainly be unique, whether it called upon the Star Spirits/Crystal Stars or involved his partners from the first or second game.

I saw someone's suggestion that his Down-B be a partner select move which would affect his Side-B by utilizing said partner's ability (i.e. Headbonk, Power Shell, Bomb, etc...) which could be really cool. Other moves could include Spin/Super/Ultra Hammer, Superblock (the counterattack move from TTYD), Hammer Throw, Multibounce, Spin Jump (as a ground pound), Tornado Jump (Uair?), Plane Glide (the obvious Up-B, perhaps similar to Meta Knight's), and/or Spin Dash as a dash attack, to name a few.

His chances:
Vs. Bowser Jr.- Junior has appeared as a boss in many of the recent Mario platformers, but hasn't really had an important or notably antagonistic role since Sunshine. He's essentially just a recurring miniboss/minion. While he wouldn't be a Bowser clone, the Koopa Troop is sufficiently represented by its King. Additionally, I don't think we will see another character from the mainstream Mario titles.

Vs. Toad- Toad has only been playable in a few platformers: Super Mario Bros. 2, and the New Super Mario Bros. games. Peach's moveset already represents SMB2 pretty well, and the only thing Toad could give us different from Mario/Luigi from NSMB is use of power-ups, which doesn't seem likely. As far as moves from party/sports games go, they would be better represented by Waluigi.

Vs. Waluigi- As much as I think Sakurai honors the fans' love for Waluigi, it'd be hard to justify him taking away a roster spot from another potentially different character. Even though he'd be channeling the Mario party/sports series, he's still a Mario character, and if you include Wario, Yoshi, and DK, there are quite a few of them.

I'd be happy to see any of the above make it in, just not over Paper Mario or another more interesting/unique character.

Ultimately, Paper Mario is much more different from Mario than Link is from Toon Link, who may be on the way out anyways. He'd be only the second 2D character in Smash Bros., and would be well-deserving of that honor.

 

[ChozoBoy]

I don't think he'll play like Mr. G&W. He's not that jittery or anything, just flat. He'll animate just like he does in the games.

 

[Darth Shard]

Agreed. His smooth movements have always been an appealing part of the game for me.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm always willing to support Paper Mario, he's alot more deserving a character than Bowser Jr. in my honest opinion.

So much moveset potential it's almost scary.

 

[Starbound]

Paper Mario: The Thousand Year is the definition of my childhood (that, and Mario Kart Double Dash). I'd love to see this guy in Smash, and the moveset potential here is nuts. I do think he'll sit in the Mario Spin-Offs group though, since I believe he's second party (Intelligent Systems made the games I think).

Moveset and other stats:
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Stats and Attributes
I'm envisioning a character who's really light, and the attacks don't pack a huge punch. Paper Mario, instead, relies on combos to go places. To show off the Action Commands, each of his attacks can be cancelled into another upon landing them (like Lucario in Project M). This makes up for his lack of overall strength because he's now a combo savvy character.

Weight: 78 - He's a 2D character like Mr. Game and Watch, so he should weigh around the same.
Walk Speed: 1.3 - A little faster than Mr. Game and Watch since he doesn't walk frame by frame.
Dash Speed: 1.6 - Same reason as above
Run Speed: 1.7 - Again, same as above
Air Speed - 1.35 - Faster than Yoshi. It makes sense since he's literally a piece of paper.
Falling Speed - 1.35 - A little faster than Jigglypuff, due to being a piece of paper.

Moveset
Jab - Paper Mario sticks out his hand. A one hit jab that comes out very fast.

Dash Attack - Paper Mario runs and spins his hammer around him while doing so

UTilt: Spike Helmet Sticker - Paper Mario applies a Spike Helmet sticker to himself, and spins once
FTilt: Sombrero Sticker - Paper Mario pulls out a sombrero and sticks it in front of him
DTilt: Tail Sticker - Paper Mario applies a tail sticker to himself, and attacks with a sweeping tail strike around him before the sticker falls off

USmash: Hammer Throw - Paper Mario charges and throws his hammer skyward
FSmash: Power Smash - Paper Mario charges for a hammer smash. Has a 50% of having no added effect, a 25% chance of burn, 15% chance of freeze and 10% chance of causing sleep
DSmash: Quake Hammer - Similar animation to the FSmash, but anyone in the immediate range of the attack will trip 50% of the time.

Neutral Special: Charge - Paper Mario charges for an attack. His next attack will deal more damage and will have more range.
Side Special: Paper Tube - Paper Mario rolls into a tube and slides in the direction he's facing. Can be used for recovery purposes.
Up Special: Spring Jump - Paper Mario crunches down and springs upwards. Has a lot of range. Opponents hit on the upward portion of the move will be spiked.
Down Special: Dimension Flip - The box appears around Paper Mario and he flips dimensions. He can't move while in the dimension and the move only lasts for a shorter time than Dimensional Cape.

Grabs: Paper Mario pulls out Thoreau who he throws to grab.
UThrow: Very similar to DK's Cargo Throw. He does something like this in Super Paper Mario.
FThrow: Paper Mario throws the opponent forward
BThrow: Paper Mario throws the opponent downward
DThrow: Paper Mario throws the opponent downward and smacks them with his hammer

We can also call the Spot Dodge "Close Call".

On the Paper Mario stage, Paper Mario's partners from the first two games will be sitting in the audience. They can be activated with a codec call.[/collapse]

I wanted to show off materials from all four games. Partners aren't included because I wanted the codec call to exist for Paper Mario due to the unique personality that most of them have.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Paper Mario has so much potential. Unlike toon link, he could have such a varied moveset compared to Mario. I love Paper Mario, he is within my top 5 most wanted characters, and I think he deserves the spot more than Bowser Jr., Toad, or Waluigi.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I would say...

"Yeah sounds good" if he has a unique moveset and..."get the hell outta here!" if he just ends up being a mario clone.

Personally though, even if he was different. Variations of the same character bother me. Link & Toon Link are bad enough. It brings up weird questions like "are they the same person or are they different people?" and it also seems kinda wasteful (and greedy) when you could have put an entirely unique (emphasis on entirely) character in the roster.