OK THIS RANT IS GOING TO BE VERY LONG AND I APOLOGIZE THE LENGTH AAAAND ALL OF ITS SPELLING ERRORS AND GRAMMOR
I have the LARGEST rant I could possibly rant. You have NO idea how angry I've become with the development of this game. On the bright side, I admit, the general aspects of this game is greatly appreciated. I love the looks, the graphics, the new animations, the creative characters, the stages are far beyond uncompetitive but they definitely had effort put into them (besides the flat stage modes), the Items are cheap though and make me hate items more, and the additions to classic and other game modes are interesting. ALTHOUGH, there is many things that I despise with this game. I'm some what a rookie in the competitive smash community. In other words, I discovered Project M right before Smash 4 came out for Wii U. Which is when I received it for 3DS. So to me, BOTH games are brand new in a sense and I switch off from one and another very frequently which in some cases can screw up my game play I will gladly admit.
Project M right now is my most favored SSB game or hack or what ever (Hype for 3.6), due to the fact that I feel like the developers made a good effort in keeping the game NOT so cut throat and direct like Melee but not boring and uncompetitive like brawl. Project M is a game that is in my opinion done well. (Although I do agree with Mew2Kings statement on how he does not appreciate a game that nerfs a different character every time theres a new discovery in tech, or in loopholes making all of the hours used to find these abilities a waist.) Project M is very fan based as we can tell due to the fact that it has a wide variety of nostalgic stages, characters and skins/costumes and still has a nice consistency when it comes to fun, and competitive gameplay. I would even say for those who don't rely on tech skill, or find "breaking the game" a fun/fair idea of strategy I think this game is still right for those kinds of players whether it be children or young adults.
Now when it comes to smash 4... I know I can't stand playing that game for more than 30 minutes because the gameplay overall makes me sick. Again cinematically the game is beautiful, new and pretty fun when you aren't in a competitive mood, but when you put yourself in that so called "For Glory" environment and FORCE yourself on a FD platform with either a trashy player, a bull(scratch) character, or a spammer/camper with tons of internet lag and bad connection due to Nintendo's terrifying WiFi server.
It is literally the most stressful game I play that makes me wish I still played Call Of Duty all the time.
Ill tell you why in deep specifics. I HATE certain characters with such a burning passion I will one day die a lonely burnt potato because ALL OF THEM were built so that they wouldn't die and have easy portions of their abilities to just abuse, and abuse and abuse! Example: If you were to pick Pikachu, (a higher tier character considered to be god tier in certain situations) but you aren't quite as good as tournament level players but your standards are set incredibly high cause you are a very confident SSB player.. IT IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING when you pull a 4 hit combo leaving around 20-30% on a BOWSER (a character considered garbage tier in most SSB games) just to have him land an ARMOR safe forward smash that you can not cancel or interrupt with a forward tilt or up smash, cover your percentage at a whopping 25 or higher AND have enough knockback and hit stun to send you off stage to be edgeguarded MAKES YOU WANT TO PUKE YEAH?
Along with characters like IKE or LITTLE MAC that you don't even need to jump with you can with with just jabs, forward smashes, counters and spam the B button in different directions basing our strategy like that is absolutely outstanding to me cause I practice tactics, and FORCE myself to use moves that aren't even considered useable in a competitive match (for style purposes). Im sick of seeing a Link/Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, or even R.O.B. just run to one side of the map and camp spamming every B button possible until I either get sick of it and run through their projectiles until one of us die or the time goes out so i die cause my close range styled fox just isn't fast enough to reach a quick sudden death KO (i also don't use shine in this game anymore for the lack of the tech in it). TRUST ME I am no complainer, I rage the least out of all my friends cause when someone makes a play on me and it's obvious that it was done out of sheer skill I'd shake that players hand and rematch them till I showed them a better play cause that, in my head, is how it SHOULD be. In other words there's good salt and then there's NaCl.
Sakurai said that when he made this game or produced it or whatever he said that he wanted a game where "Everyone" was a winner. That is the most disruptive thing I've ever heard a game designer for a FIGHTING game say for a series that was rated T for Teen for 2 games straight. I want to make it very clear that I know this is now a rated E (I think) 10 and up, and it is made for a KID based audience but that doesn't mean that an older generation that played the game at a competitive rate doesn't wish to make the game fun for them too. I won't lie... they DID attempt to make the game accessible for that generation... but titling the play style "For Glory" and making every stage you spent years on creating FLAT (resembling Final Destination that I STILL think should be a COUNTER pick (not to mention that their original FD for smash4 is banned in some tournaments due to the vibrant.. irritating but pretty colors)) when they could have just taken hazards out and made stationary stages for EACH stage. They know VERY well that many of us see Battle Field with 3 platforms to be a beautiful neutral stage. I WISH I could somehow CHOOSE or have some kind of VARIETY of competitive stage instead of if the edges have walls to wall jump off of or if the edge has a lip making the stage harder to sweet spot.
Super Smash Brothers Melee was a game that resembles the SSB bible that is far from obsolete and is STILL growing as a community and I honestly respect every tiny little aspect of it (except the fact that ness and young link are so low of tier
I guess I still use em) brawl is a game I never wish to talk about again so id say the successor of SSB is most definitely its hack Project Melee or PM due to it literally being Brawl with everything we loved in Melee and MORE. Super Smash Brothers 4 Is basically just a game were Falco and Fox are obsolete, are completely different characters, and are able to jump out of illusion, all you ever see are up tilts from Mario, 80% of characters competitive playset are off of some cheesey combo that starts off with a grab like: diddy's hoohah, ZSS's down throw to Up B, Luigis and Ness's down throw forward air forward air and SO ON.
You should catch my drift, when a SSB game's requirements are to read rolls, forward smash with incredible pieces of armor, grab and do some tedious downthrow/upthrow combo (cause throws are the only thing with high hit stun and low knockback), return to stage with recoveries that are no longer unique but just guaranteed ledge sweetspots Making edge guarding impossible (and don't get me started on edge hogging), projectiles that PROMOTE long range camping and panic spamming, Counter attacks that have longer frames and kill and overly punish skillful and unskillful punishes, characters that may limit your ability but require no skill whatsoever, Clone characters, Characters that at least i consider waists due to their inability to be good unless their motive is to be extremely annoying (Wii Fit trainers edge camps), The fact that their is no aerial punish due to everyone being able to consistently dodge and dodge and dodge AND DODGE weather it be on the GROUND or IN THE AIR (ok thats me complaining im bad at reading rolls), No tech skill, (yeah I have yet to mention how many times I wish I could have wave dashed out of Ikes range but ya know a guy can DREAM yeah? and I'm definitely not perfect pivoting..) and finally... The smashes online game community in smash 4 is unbelievable. I just WISH I could tell the other play that I am lagging unbelievabley ingame so that we can quit, or restart, or wait for the connection to buffer.. but nintendo enjoys not making sense. I HATE when people taunt when they do an unintentional gimp, or if I SD, or if lag took place, or if I was foot stooled unintentionally.. Its rude, in my opinion cause you're celebrating over my inconvenience NOT your display of "skill" cause in my eyes there was none. If it weren't for the many kids who play this game I would be literally frisbeeing my 2DS out my window out of sheer rage through disrespect in this game. I fear their obnoxiousness is a reason for my poor sportyness..
I love smash 4. Despite my hatred for some characters and gameplay issues, I find many new styles with old characters and new styles with new characters interesting and addicting. So my gameplay will still continue for it's my only way to competitively connect with actual people rather than mindless frame perfect Lvl 9's that I can't mindgame. Plus its still considered a successful and fun game and I have extreme hype for my SSB Brawl veteran that I mained named Lucas. I have a fear for the 3 new characters Lucas, Mewtwo, and the "fan favorite" cause I really don't wanna see them unskillfully abused, or have any respect for them wrecked like my precious Bowser and Ganon. Beyond those fears, hates and dislikes I hope others can still find this game fun, but remember that it helps the community to QUIT SPAMMING and CAMPING cause the only thing you get out of it is a win percentage that generally means NOTHIN. In a tournament if you ACTUALLY get away with it I suppose its a different story if you're doing it for the money. (so Hungrybox, kudos to you) but other than that I dislike your game play personally.
BY THE WAY FUN FACT FOR PLAYERS WHO MAIN FOX. IM A FOX PLAYER IN SMASH 4 AND IVE LEARNED A COOL TRICK THATS COMPLETELY USELESS! IF YOU USE FORWARD AIR AND FAST FALL INFRONT OF YOUR OPPONENT THAT IS CURRENTLY STANDING ON STAGE AND MAKE SURE THE VERY LAST HITBOX OF YOUR FORWARD AIR IS LAND CANCELLED AT THE VERY SAME TIME AS THAT VERY LAST HITBOX HITS YOUR OPPONENT THAT IS STANDING ON STAGE YOUR OPPONENT WILL FLY UP WITH THE EXACT SAME HIT STUN AND KNOCKBACK AS IT WOULD BEING HIT WITH A FULLY COCKED FORWARD AIR BUT IT DOES ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE AT ALL. IF IT IS THE FIRST STRIKE OF THE GAME OR STOCK FOR YOUR OPPONENT THEIR PERCENTAGE WILL STAY AT 0.
The fact that almost everyone has excelent recoveries and there's not edge hog makes this entry much more ground based.
It will never be in fact focused in battles in the ground because is a smash bros after all.
But I feel this is the game where the air game and the gimp potential are at the minimum.
And this is what I feel is the bigger problem.
I highly agree with this statement. although this game is definatly ground based due to the innability to punish in the air. Characters who have weakness in the air often have high framed counters that can potentially kill or atleaste dodge until safely planted to the ground. I find all ariels only being used successfully once or twice per combo with out getting punished for being overly aggressive. Well unless your opponent DI's wierd.
How the update erased all my old replays. I had my first match in For Glory saved...
Oh, the memories of nearly two months ago... WASTED...
YEAH I TOTTALLY JV 2 STOCKED A GANON WITH FOX AND NOW I CANT ACCESS THAT >:O...... maybe i can upload it from my computer though who knows?
- The fact that there's no new Metroid playable character aside from Zero Suit Samus (Dark Samus would've been a good choice for this, and possibly Ridley as well)
- The Smash Board mode. It's okay for getting treasure I guess, but unless you're playing with a friend or family member it isn't really that fun until the last turn.
- No Shadow Queen or Princess Daisy costume for Peach
- No Ice Climbers (although I understand why it wasn't possible)
OHOHOOOOO NOOOO THE WOBBLES......... ; - ;
- back throw has way too much knock back.
- Up B way too strong. Kills heavy characters at relatively low %.
- Can pull up turnips way too often. Total BS to play against.
- Too heavy, becomes way too OP at high percents.
I completely agree with Lucario. He makes gimp and late game kill characters such as pikachu, jiggs, or peach a pain to kill.
Ness IS debateable but he doesnt have many kill options other than his forward smash or his up air or the very unlikely Pk thunder kill or gimp, so a kill throw seems rather appropriate (If you wanna throw in the fact that he racks damage up fast if able to spam PK fire like a dip then perhaps your right in that case)
Zeldas generally a weak character when it comes to combat, a lot of her moves require timing and space but when mastered she has a lot more dangerous kill moves other than her Up B which can be considerabley predicted.
I agree with peach a little bit, but keep in mind that in Melee Armada was able to juggle turnips with peach so i find her abiliies in Smash4 nerfed by a ton
didnt mean to sound like a know it all but i main Ness, and Zelda and im learning Peach coincidently ^- ^;
I like Robin tho i want Robins roster picture to be the female version.
I agree with Rosalina. What a useless space.. could have been Toadette/Toad instead.
If i discard the fact the Roselina/Luma are puppeteering low excuses for Ice climber top teer salt machines then naah man i think their a great addition. Mario Galaxy was a super successful game man :o
- Samus is still the only playable Metroid character
- Captain Falcon is the only playable F-Zero character
- Ganondorf still a semiclone
- Too many Pokemon
- Too many Mariolings
- No Roy
- No Japanese voice option
DUDE A JAPANESE OPTION WOULD BE SICK! I agree on the too many pokemon and mario characters but honestly what is nintendo without em?
Oh, come on. Leave Zelda alone. That girl needs as much buffs as she can get.
right tho?
I have a big problem with this game, and that's the single player gameplay. It's basically made of grinding and farming. Since the release date of the game, I only grinded... trophies, special moves, mii headgears... I just finished today, and I was very frustrated. If it wasn't for the online/freeforall/multiplayer mode (which I enjoy, and I quite like the physics and the engine of the game, even if I still prefer Melee a little), this would have been my all times worst experience with a game.
The game mechanics are fine, and I really like how some annoying tricks (wavedash, L cancel, and even edge hogging, I never liked that too much) were removed, I'm fine with the gameplay and luckily the annoying items can be disabled (I like playing with items on, but I usually disable the broken ones).
What's wrong with the gameplay then? It's wrong that it's too hard KOing people (depending on the character you're using, I use Kirby and for me it's hard). Even if you manage to bring your opponent at 170%, you continue hitting him without killing him, unless you use one of those moves that can kill (in Kirby's case, hammer, stone, or smashes), that usually are very slow, laggy and predictable and make you feel like a spammer in your opponent's eyes.
There is also a bit too much control mid-air, and the dodges/shield are a bit too much effective. It makes the whole gameplay just spam and dodge, and grab to stop dodges and spams and deal some damage.
Still a lot better than Brawl anyway (as I said, even if I prefer Melee, the gameplay is still enjoyable for me, so it's not a real issue, it just could have been better).
My second big problem is the representation. Characters, stages, trophies... everything is wrong. Lots of clones, lots of 8 and 16 bit graphics, reused stages and generic/casual stages.
The representation is splitted like this:
-Current
-Retro
where Current is the representation of content from current games, released in this generation or in the last generation; Retro is only content from very old games that are the first ones in which a character appeared for the first time, mostly 8 bit things.
Everything from SNES to Gamecube is completely ignored, with some very minor exceptions.
The handheld retro games are completely ignored, with the only exception of the prince from that japan only game (and Pokèmon, for obvious reasons)... they even removed Jill & Drill Dozer.
Most fans wanted a game that represented the history of Nintendo, while Sakurai provided a game that represents what Nintendo is today, with some extremely retro references that doesn't represent all the history of Nintendo at all.
And the representation of the current Nintendo is even wrong: for example Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus got a lot of content, but they are minor-to-average series... bigger series like Metroid and Donkey Kong got very few content instead. Most people blame Sakurai's bias, and I'm starting to think that they're right.
I like your point and respect that you still use items. Im not gonna lie setting up fun rules like only pokeballs is still fun every now and then xD DUDE me and my friend did something stupid and just played with masterballs on and set it to coin battle.....
The Game is much slower then Brawl, makes playing Fox difficult for me D:
the 3DS version holds back the Wii U version immensely.
To many clone characters that -could've- been unique, but didn't have time or Sakurai just didn't want to.
Smash Run/Smash Tour are worthless imho
No Story Mode despite the perfect chance for one involving Master Core.
Thats to name a few.
I liked master core although id definatley give it up for a story simmilar to brawls. Although it was said that all the clone characters created, especially Dark Pit, Lucina and Doc Mar were just gonna be skins but for the lul sakurai just threw em in as seperate characters, although if it took pushing back the release date of these games when LUCAS AND MEWTEW CAME WITH IT and characters like diddy and rose werent stupid, and Wiifit, Little Mac, Villager and Mega man didnt suck, and Bowser and Ganon didnt piss me off with their crappy armour, Captain falcon wasnt an over powered pee-on and whent back to the party character and Doc Mar was higher tier than mario again, Dark Pit wasnt really Pit and Lucina was either a replaced with Roy or was presented with a skill set that actualyl made me beleive that she should be better than marth.
welp i blew this page up o- o im frankfulyl sorry xD but ive had held my opinions on this game for FAR TOO LONG. this is the first time ive ever posted on smashboards cause ive never known how... o- o...
