Social The Zero Suit/Samus in Shorts Social

[ph00tbag]

Literally PM Plasma Whip. Wow.

 

[IsmaR]

Bionic Arm and Dive Kick for days.

 

[KatKit]

Those blasters though.

She has some really interesting custom specials overall; seems even more like a new character than before.

 

[ぱみゅ]

ZSS is officially a revamped veteran.

 

[NickRiddle]

ZSS is broken.

 

[Tristan_win]

~inserts a few coins into Zero suit boards in hopes to turn them back on~

Zero Suit super jump from ledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1JGb1ShJ4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89Xeylggpo

Zero Suit semi combo into down B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk-fKSqzzBc

Enjoy.

 

[Kenith]

I like that the title of this thread includes "Samus in Shorts".
I feel very included.

 

[LawCorazon]

When are we getting a video thread?

 

[IsmaR]

If one isn't made by international launch/this weekend, I'll get to it.

 

[pichuthedk]

So I donno why but I don't really think this has been discussed that much at all but her down b flip jump footstool is actually pretty legit as an option when people are recovering back to the ledge or onstage.
since they are in the air instead of being implanted in the ground when you land the footstool they are meteor smashed downwards. I have even timed this so that I got people as soon as their ledge invincibility wore off its actually so dumb along with the fact that you can alter the spot she lands at by inputting backwards when she starts the flip jump.
Although only 2 main things have happened I assume a 3rd thing could happen from this and the 3 are.
1. They get spiked (due to them not trying to retaliate) and you laugh whether they live or die.
2. They retaliate and you just do a normal footstool not spiking them.
And 3. They hit you and you hit them so they get spiked anyways.
Well I guess I lied and there is a 4th. they hit you away without getting hit themselves however i've not had this happen to me yet.

 

[g00dapollo]

A little surprised there isn't a moved thread, or a match-up thread.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

ZSS SOCIAL? LET'S GO. Bring on the anime GD.
it always becomes anime GD in the end
always

 

[pichuthedk]

~inserts a few coins into Zero suit boards in hopes to turn them back on~

Zero Suit super jump from ledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1JGb1ShJ4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89Xeylggpo

Zero Suit semi combo into down B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk-fKSqzzBc

Enjoy.

Whats the Input for this I would prefer to not be lazy and learn it for those moments I need to think of an approach strategy.

 

[Daisy101]

we can have a Main finder thread?

 

[Ragnorok_Kitty]

Is it just me or is Little Mac really hard to beat?

 

[DarksydeDash]

So I know the game has been out for a very short time but what advice can you guys give on how to play her.. "better?"

 

[Daisy101]

Is it just me or is Little Mac really hard to beat?

The match-up is pretty silly indeed, sometimes what i can do is DashAttack follow by a air neutral or forward. Grab can help but its indeed very risky.

 

[pichuthedk]

sadly the little mac match up is actually stupid easy at mid-low level I suppose something i noticed was that if you back throw him off the ledge at certain %s you can almost guarantee getting down special footstool off him while hes using his side special to get back to the ledge.
Lasers are your best friend sometimes.
also back throw to Fair is nice.
@ Ragnorok_Kitty
That signature of yours with Samus reminds me of the sonic the hedgehog comic where Robotnik/Eggman had a room full of diffrent avatar suits xD. Different suit for Errrry day ;p.

 

[Giygacoal]

I like that the title of this thread includes "Samus in Shorts".
I feel very included.

Samus in Shorts is broken.

 

[Zero]

Soo I hear this character is kinda good

 

[Dr. Tuen]

I checked out this new roll canceled grab... thing. As far as I can tell, Zero Suit does get something like a half a body length extension on her grab if you use it. Not sure if that'll be a big deal all the time, but I figured I'd share some preliminary results!

...

It also seems that you can delay the A+Shield input, which extends the grab further. In our case, that seems to be a body length and a half if you do it that way. Pretty intense!

 

[pichuthedk]

I checked out this new roll canceled grab... thing. As far as I can tell, Zero Suit does get something like a half a body length extension on her grab if you use it. Not sure if that'll be a big deal all the time, but I figured I'd share some preliminary results!

...

It also seems that you can delay the A+Shield input, which extends the grab further. In our case, that seems to be a body length and a half if you do it that way. Pretty intense!

Yes it is i've been using it in for glory on some kids and aside from the input error/delay johns where i just accidentally roll its a nice way to close the distance for those times when say you get a max range charged laser shot and you didn't start running towards them (probably because they were randomly shielding then let go before it hit them or something?)

 

[Dr. Tuen]

Yes it is i've been using it in for glory on some kids and aside from the input error/delay johns where i just accidentally roll its a nice way to close the distance for those times when say you get a max range charged laser shot and you didn't start running towards them (probably because they were randomly shielding then let go before it hit them or something?)

I'm kinda curious about charged neutral B --> grab (or roll-cancelled grab, if needed). If the shot hits, they get stunned and the grab will succeed. But I'm curious about it hitting the shield. Is that enough shield stun to make the grab unavoidable? I've been abusing it in For Glory, but I'm still not sure if it's a true combo on shield or not.

If it is... neutral B --> grab --> fthrow/backthrow, down B, for kills, possibly?

 

[pichuthedk]

I'm kinda curious about charged neutral B --> grab (or roll-cancelled grab, if needed). If the shot hits, they get stunned and the grab will succeed. But I'm curious about it hitting the shield. Is that enough shield stun to make the grab unavoidable? I've been abusing it in For Glory, but I'm still not sure if it's a true combo on shield or not.

If it is... neutral B --> grab --> fthrow/backthrow, down B, for kills, possibly?

This depends on whether its a max ranged laser /max charged laser distance is certainly an issue but distance can negligible with dash cancel grabs.
Another thing to note on this subject I guess IIRC people are still vulnerable on like the first frames of a roll so dash cancel grabs might be the answer we need for this

 

[Dr. Tuen]

This depends on whether its a max ranged laser /max charged laser distance is certainly an issue but distance can negligible with dash cancel grabs.
Another thing to note on this subject I guess IIRC people are still vulnerable on like the first frames of a roll so dash cancel grabs might be the answer we need for this

Yeah. I did the frame analysis for this on Brawl, and it turned out it was only a perfect combo if it was spaced exactly at max distance with perfect grab execution. And even then, you had 2 frames of room to work with, or something dumb like that.

I wonder if there's a speed difference between dash grabs and roll-cancelled grabs. I suppose it would be the number of dash frames before you can cancel into a grab versus the number of roll frames before you can grab? Something like that. They feel relatively similar, but it'd be cool to check out.

And you're right, you are vulnerable for the roll-cancelled grab. The first few frames of the roll is vulnerable and the vulnerable frames are the only cancellable frames.

 

[pichuthedk]

Mhm I knew that the roll cancel grabs were not invulnerable because you don't flash white or anything glad I actually am able to remember things like rolls not being op zzz lol.
maybe roll cancel grabs are as fast as your f-roll or something zss's froll is fast while broll is kinda el oh el although that seems like an accurate speed someone holding a gun can do a backwards somersault ? Another application i guess could be a dash cancel grab to someone getting on the stage near the edge /camping at the edge So that when we do have them in our grasps we can pummel them so they get released off stage might be useful for people like little mac and such.

 

[Charhazzard]

Swim suit Samus!

 

[pichuthedk]

If you guy's haven't cast a vote in regards to which MU we should start first in the match up thread please take a second to do so although i probably should have listed a few more chars

http://smashboards.com/threads/soon-to-be-official-mu-thread.372321/

 

[Daisy101]

more like

Spoiler: Example Spoiler

Latex suit samus,

100% more shiny in wii-u

 

[pichuthedk]

That's why I love that sexy sorta blue but kinda greyish suit she has;.

 

[LawCorazon]

With bunny ears

 

[Daisy101]

Her black suit is very shiny tho, not sure about the red/pink on Wii-u. : 3

 

[NickRiddle]

Orange Bathing Suit master race.

 

[pichuthedk]

Orange Bathing Suit master race.

I like that one as well but my friends Are always trolling saying things like"scantly suited samus , Cleavage suit samus " ect it makes me wish I had a shovel and a spot no one goes by xD.

 

[TsuKiyoMe]

I'm sticking with the White ZSS. I haven't seen anyone else use it. Lack of Red ZSS makes me sad though... not a super big fan of pink

 

[pichuthedk]

I'm sticking with the White ZSS. I haven't seen anyone else use it. Lack of Red ZSS makes me sad though... not a super big fan of pink

That's the suit I'm using it's weird it looks white but it sort of looks like a hue of blue in game.
careful the church of the V115 would call you blasphemous for not loving the Pink suit xD.
Ugh now I am off to compile the notes we discussed for the matchup thread.

 

[Daisy101]

pink suit team here : o

 

[Dr. Tuen]

pink suit team here : o

YES. Someone understands! Pink suit power!

 

[Ragnorok_Kitty]

Black suit for me

 

[ぱみゅ]

I prefer White Suit (they cut off the Purple one )
Short suits are ok, too.