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The Why Of Low Tiers

Pink Reaper

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There has always been a question that always gets asked that always gets answered without ever really being answered. If that sentence confuses you, let me explain it more clearly. One question that is always asked is "Why do you main low/bottom tier?" Its rarely a question to specific players so the answer is rarely the same but there seems to be some major reasons that the majority of low tier players chose who they do. What I hope to explain is why we do what we do, why we pick who we pick, why we put ourselves at that disadvantage and why its entirely possible to play a low tier and still be a tier *****.

Two of the largest camps of low tier players are the "For fun" and "Because I like them" camps. Players that fall into these categories rarely care about winning and simply play who they play because they enjoy it. I myself have alot of fun playing characters like Ness and G&W in Melee and Jigglypuff in Brawl, simply because they're different and quite fun. If I win or if I don't doesn't matter because Im enjoying the character Im playing as. People who go to tournaments and play as these characters rarely expect to win, but also rarely care as they are simply enjoying the competition as a character they enjoy. There's also the "Because I like them" camp, which is similar, but still different. Many of these players chose the characters while completely disregarding their tier rank or potential. They chose the character they chose because they have always loved that character. This is how I came about choosing Kirby in Smash Bros. 64, because he was just the character I liked the most. Many chose their mains before knowing their standings in the tier list. Those who love Fox luck out, those who love Bowser(lol Gimpy) have to make the choice between sticking with the character they love or.....winning. This is where the odd juxtaposition of mindsets comes into play. On the one hand, you have the competitive "Play to win" mindset, the idea that you should do anything to win(within reason) but also that you will stay entirely devoted to a character that you know puts you at a great disadvantage. This usually leads to a "Do anything I can to win with a character that CAN'T win" mentality. This is usually a positive thing though, as its the thing that pushes low tier players to advance the metagame of their character beyond simple attack spamming.

The other two camps are usually looked down upon, especially by other low tier mains. These two camps answer the question of "Why play low tier" with the stereotypical "X isn't as bad as you think and I'll prove everyone wrong" and the far more pathetic "For recognition." If you play a low tier character because you love that character, thats great, but do not for a second assume that you will ever prove that character does not suck. The level of suck any given character has in Smash is pretty much determined before the game even comes out. A good character will always be good, a bad character will always be bad, if you can not accept the limitations and drawbacks of your character you will never be able to advance. You will never prove your character doesn't suck. Gimpy didn't make Bowser not suck, Taj did not make Mewtwo a good character, Simna did not make Ness top tier but thats because Ness has always been top tier, he didn't need Simna's help. As for the forth camp, this one is by far the worst. Any player who would willingly put themselves at a disadvantage simply for recognition is an attention *****. Anyone who chooses a low tier character simply because of their placement on the tier list is a tier *****. The only difference between a Top Tier ***** and a Low Tier ***** is that a Top Tier ***** is just doing whatever they can to win(usually a good thing if you're not willing to waste large amounts of money just for the chance to lose) and a low tier ***** simply chooses who they chose so they can feel special.

On a bit of a side note, I would like to point out that there is no rule that you can ONLY play one character. Its entirely possible to main a low tier character and a high tier character at the same time, and it may even be useful to have a low tier character up your sleeve as many players do not know how to properly counter a low tier character and it can help you gain a surprise win.

Inb4 Tiers Don Exits.

Edit: Those series of "*****'s" is the word "Wh0re"
 

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I think that i fit 2 3 and 4 though...
I main sonic because he is my favorite video game character of all time. And i want to adaquately rep something that exemplifies my childhood.

but after i found out bad he was my reasoning changed somewhat. after the tier list came out, i believed that they were somewhat incorrect in sonics tier placing. I knew he would neve be high tier, but at that point i just wanted to show that he was better than everybody else in low tier. the earthbounders im not sure about, but even now i still believe that he is a better character in this game than Samus, Yoshi, Mario, and whoever else is above him in low tier.

but before that, i still knew he was bad and so did everyone else, which is why they stopped playing him, and if nobody is playing him, than being that one guy who does and still competes on an even level with everyone else is a great feeling. most of us in that sonic boards agree that the best feeling that we have when we play sonic is when were against someone new and we first put our token on sonic. and the guy we're playing with says "Sonic?" in that puzzled " i cant believe you just picked such a horrible character" voice, and than one of our friends comes over and says "watch out for him, that sonic is Good" so i guess in that way i do it for recognition as well. I love the feeling of like yea, im the only sonic player with in 100 miles and ill still lay the smack down.

so when you have a conglomeration of the different reasons i think that that vilifies the character choice even more
 

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Falco isn't my favorite brawl character(though he is one of) and I liked his playstyle the most, I mained him when he was thought to be bad, and outclassed by Wolf, Wolf was my secondary at that time, I didn't main him and sticked with Falco. I was happy that Falco is Top Tier, but I didn't main him because he was Top Tier
 

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I main Wolf because he's badass. He just happens to be a good character too...

I am a tierwh0re, when it comes to 2nd chars, since good back up is very valuable
 

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lol I like this. :D


I use Zelda competitively in melee somethimes. Not because she's my favorite character, or because she's fun to play as, or because I wanted to try to explore more of her metagame potential (though I did in the beginning), or because I feel special playing her, or because I desperately crave attention, but because it's ****ing hilarious.
LOL zelda.
 

Gothic Zelda

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I main Zelda because I love her as a character. Apparently she's middle tier but I really don't pay attention to that much...hell, I barely pay attention to her good/bad match ups and I do fine.

EDIT: That was the most epic coincidence I've been a part of o.o What exactly makes her hilarious?
 

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The other two camps are usually looked down upon, especially by other low tier mains. These two camps answer the question of "Why play low tier" with the stereotypical "X isn't as bad as you think and I'll prove everyone wrong" and the far more pathetic "For recognition." If you play a low tier character because you love that character, thats great, but do not for a second assume that you will ever prove that character does not suck. The level of suck any given character has in Smash is pretty much determined before the game even comes out. A good character will always be good, a bad character will always be bad, if you can not accept the limitations and drawbacks of your character you will never be able to advance. You will never prove your character doesn't suck. Gimpy didn't make Bowser not suck, Taj did not make Mewtwo a good character, Simna did not make Ness top tier but thats because Ness has always been top tier, he didn't need Simna's help. As for the forth camp, this one is by far the worst. Any player who would willingly put themselves at a disadvantage simply for recognition is an attention *****. Anyone who chooses a low tier character simply because of their placement on the tier list is a tier *****. The only difference between a Top Tier ***** and a Low Tier ***** is that a Top Tier ***** is just doing whatever they can to win(usually a good thing if you're not willing to waste large amounts of money just for the chance to lose) and a low tier ***** simply chooses who they chose so they can feel special.
I'm gonna have to disagree with "You can never make your character not suck". While it is true that characters who start out bad tend to stay on the lower half of the tier list, there is always the chance that a low tier mainer might find some new advanced technique that DOES imporve the character to the point in which that character is now worthy of being called a "good character".

Otherwise I agree, I can't stand it when low tier mains act like they're "superior" becuase they main a low tier. Does it ever occur to them that the high tier character I main may just so happen to be my favorite character?
 

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I main Falcon in brawl because I think he is cool, everyone who says that Falcon sucks need to prove that in an online match, I don´t care about tiers because Brawl´s metagame is really new, I tried those top tier characters and i dont enjoyed them, Brawl is a game for fun with a kind of competition, remember that
 

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What about the reason that they're the character that suits them best/the character they're most comfortable with?
That's what most sane tourny going low tier mains follow.

First reason is a no. Sonic is NOT fun to play at a high level. You have to work so hard.
Second, yes. I like Sonic, lol.
Third doesn't really apply to me, I don't care about Sonic's placing in some list, as strongly as I disagree with it I'm not going to go out of my way to try and change it.
Fourth, maining a low tier character DOES gain you recognition. However, I'm not really bothered about that.

Basically I'm using Sonic because I like the character + he's my most confortable character.
 

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What about the reason that they're the character that suits them best/the character they're most comfortable with?
That's what most sane tourny going low tier mains follow.

First reason is a no. Sonic is NOT fun to play at a high level. You have to work so hard.
Second, yes. I like Sonic, lol.
Third doesn't really apply to me, I don't care about Sonic's placing in some list, as strongly as I disagree with it I'm not going to go out of my way to try and change it.
Fourth, maining a low tier character DOES gain you recognition. However, I'm not really bothered about that.

Basically I'm using Sonic because I like the character + he's my most confortable character.
That would be covered in Emmy's blog that im far too lazy to post a link to.
 

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I picked my charachters before I even knew that this site existed. I was ok with Falco in Melee (for a casual player), I tried Ike cause I had used Roy a lot, and Kirby just has a cool taunt (and he can steal snakes grenades!!).

So basically what I'm saying is that regardless of tier, I'm a "because I lke them" player.
 

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I play Link competitively in tourneys. Although to main a low tier takes a lot of pratice to start owning. getting to your question, I use a Link because i picked him up first and also its fun using low tiers. I also like the reaction from other people when your ****** top tiers & counterpicks.
 

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There are tier lists in general, but some people will win more with the low tier character they feel comfortable with, rather than a higher tier character they struggle with.

I myself win with Mario more than MK. I don't practice with MK, but you get the point. =P
 

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I love this blog. I'm bookmarking it, probably going to save it in some other form. I main a top tier (Sheik) but my other top 4 characters are all low/bottom tier. It's reasons 1 and 2 solely that I follow. I have fun playing a character that has less advantages going for him, and I love the challenge when using them at a competitive level.

This is amazing and encompasses what I try to tell people all the time about playing low tiers. Good deal, Reaper. =D
 

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I fit in the I like the character and they're fun to play mentality.

I chose to use Link/TL the moment I heard tehy were in the game.

I've always used Link and YL, so TL was an obvious choice.
 

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My question is why do people care who you main or why you main a character whether they're good or bad? I didn't choose my character after looking at the tier list. I chose him because I felt comfortable using him. And now that I know he can get far in tournaments, there's nothing that's going to make me change my main. Just because you main a crappy character doesn't mean you don't care about winning or losing. Because if that's how I truly felt, I wouldn't try my best in a match and I wouldn't have joined this site.
 

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Jeez this is old.

...Is it still good though?
Random 1 year bumps are FTW. We'll let Teran decide this thread's fate I guess. I like how in 2008 the discussion actually ended after Lex Crunch typed "'Nuff said". It should have stayed that way :(

:034:
 

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good stuff. I played as pichu over people at the begining because I enjoyed him and pikachu just isn't fun to me but to me ice climber>pichu always. I love dowm-smash
 

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Skyson we don't care that you love this blog. You achieve nothing by bumping this randomly, so why would you do that? It's so ****ing pointless, you should think before you post.
 

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Well it's a nice blog and the discussion can still be relevant and decent.

I see no reason to close this, unless you guys decide to turn this into a spam hole.
 

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lol, get *****, Solid.

@Topic:
I play Low Tiers because they are frigging fun to play. Also, Low Tier events. They happen all over the place, so using Low Tiers does have its benefits.
 
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