The Weapon Triangle: Unofficial Ike Matchup Number Topic

[Aurorazoni]

Yea, I agree with umbreon. In fact I think it is 4-6 now :\

I'm gonna agree with 4-6 myself.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

if ur gonna use ike, u should already know the match up probably isnt in ur favor. so **** **** up! its never over till its over with this dude. however sometimes its just over! this sum him up pretty will.

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I swear he is speaking in piglatin. Translation please.

 

[Wyvern-x]

Lets look into the Ike/DK matchup shall we?

On the ground Ike's jab clanks with everything that isn't fsmash or down-b. Ike's jab is faster than anything DK has to my knowledge. Due to DK's weight Ike can pull off some decently long jab cancel strings. In the air Ike beats out DK if he is facing you because his fair is about the same speed as ours but less range. DK's nair is fast but the hitbox is very small. The biggest threat for Ike is DK's bair its fast and a decent sized hitbox. If Ike keeps his distance from DK his fair and nair can beat DK's bair.

In this matchup Ike can actually gimp DK better than DK can gimp him. Dtilt is essentially a stock loss for DK at any %. Dair is a stock loss from around 45%+. Aether edgeguard is also amazing against DK. DK has his WoP but Ike can survive that by DIing well and with his second jump. DK can fsmash and SA donkey punch out of aether but with good DI you can survive that till around 100% give or take.

All in all DK wins in speed, Ike beats DK in gimping, and they both kill each other around the same %s.

 

[Ussi]

Lets look into the Ike/DK matchup shall we?

On the ground Ike's jab clanks with everything that isn't fsmash or down-b. Ike's jab is faster than anything DK has to my knowledge. Due to DK's weight Ike can pull off some decently long jab cancel strings. In the air Ike beats out DK if he is facing you because his fair is about the same speed as ours but less range. DK's nair is fast but the hitbox is very small. The biggest threat for Ike is DK's bair its fast and a decent sized hitbox. If Ike keeps his distance from DK his fair and nair can beat DK's bair.

In this matchup Ike can actually gimp DK better than DK can gimp him. Dtilt is essentially a stock loss for DK at any %. Dair is a stock loss from around 45%+. Aether edgeguard is also amazing against DK. DK has his WoP but Ike can survive that by DIing well and with his second jump. DK can fsmash and SA donkey punch out of aether but with good DI you can survive that till around 100% give or take.

All in all DK wins in speed, Ike beats DK in gimping, and they both kill each other around the same %s.

I've played 3 good DKs... I'll say this, I don't land dtilt much since it is too situational to land. Most DKs Up B and grab the ledge right away. It's too fast for a dtilt.

DK Gimps Ike pretty easily. ftilt and fsmash aether is pretty ****.

Have you not read my analysis on DK?

 

[Wyvern-x]

Dtilt is more a stage dependent thing. As for ftilt to intercept aether can't you DI up at mid-high percents and grab the edge?

 

[Ussi]

At high-mid %s, he's gonna charge fsmash... or DK punch it.

 

[Wyvern-x]

What if you time aether so the apex is directly at ledge level? Would fsmash still hit Ike?

 

[Ussi]

I think apex aether leaves some of Ike's hurtbox above the ledge.

 

[Palpi]

I have played 3 DK's, lost to two of them. It was a pretty difficult match up.

 

[doom dragon 105]

Honestly, I think Ike has a worse matchup with Lucario

Ike's jab game isn't shut down. but hurt since Lucario has jabs with disjointed hitboxes, he can combo Ike and move around him very very very easily. Lucario can CG Ike and Lucario doesn't have bad recovery either

 

[Palpi]

I 100% disagree. The lucario match up is only bad if you have trouble killing him on first stock, it can be hard, but this thing says 65-35 and I think it should be 60-40 lucario or 55-45. (My friend and I have played over like 300 lucario vs ike matches.) The Forward b chain grab set up is 2 jabs i think and ike can jab lucario before the force palm (i think thats what its called). You should never be so close to lucario for the forward b w/o the set up. Once I realized that I could get a jab in, the matches we're a lot different.

 

[Ussi]

I think 35-65 is bad too.

CP castle sieze or delfino and it becomes like 45-55

@ Palpi, your friend may not be abusing his advantages right.

Ike gets gimped so hard by Lucario, aura sphere let's lucario gimp from far away and it beats out aether easily. Fsmash ***** aether too.

 

[Palpi]

Yes he does use aurasphere and fsmash to hit top of my aether, but you can quick draw to the ledge or over him after getting hit, it works good for me especially on battle field or other stages with platforms, since his lingering part of his upsmash has little to no knockback. I am not saying it easy but when I was at the peak of my game (with ike), I was winning atleast 40-45% of the games.

 

[Ussi]

lucario has a nasty speed/range ratio that takes a toll on us. It's worse than Marth since he has power.

 

[HeroMystic]

Lucario will never let you back on the stage.

****ing aura spheres.

 

[DanGR]

What does Ike have on Kirby? I know it says 45-55, but I still think that's a stretch.

 

[Ussi]

Range and power (What a surprise)

kirby is more 43-57 but that's a complicated number to some people.

 

[DanGR]

Well, Kirby has combos and edgeguarding. >_> w/e. I guess I'll have to play the matchup more.

 

[Palpi]

You can't play sloppy against a kirby player that is all I have experience, because sloppy spacing means you get bair'd alot.

 

[Ussi]

Anyone not named Yoshi can edgeguard Ike outside of ledge hogging.

EDIT: Change Wario to 45-55