The Ultimate Smash Bros. 4 Character Analysis Topic. (Retro Characters Analysis Is Up!)

[FalKoopa]

Think hard. It's possible it was Geno. Not really any other character fits the description well.

Another possibility is Banjo-Kazooie.

 

[Deleted member]

Another possibility is Banjo-Kazooie.

Not sure why it'd be Banjo-Kazooie, considering that Sakurai should obviously have known that Banjo belonged to Microsoft at that point and thus wasn't getting in.

 

[Shorts]

Not sure why it'd be Banjo-Kazooie, considering that Sakurai should obviously have known that Banjo belonged to Microsoft at that point and thus wasn't getting in.

It could have been Banjo, I suppose. I mean, it could have been. But at this point I would lean towards Geno. It makes most sense for who was popular during Pre-Brawl days.

 

[ChronoBound]

New analysis is up. This week its for the Yoshi series. Yeah, I was originally planning on posting the DK series, however, I figured I just wanted to get the single most boring (and by far the shortest) series analysis out of the way, especially if I have to go to posting only one series analysis (which are very long) every two weeks after E3. I figured the flood of new users would be far more unkind to having the Yoshi series as a part of a once every two weeks update (if it even comes to that) than the veterans we have here now.

Contemplating whether to have DK or Zelda as next week's update. Maybe I will have you guys decide.

Again, sorry I went with Yoshi, but I wanted to get this boring series out of the way. Even Wario is a more interesting series to talk about, considering there is a bit of interest for various non-contenders (Captain Syrup, Ashley, Mona, Jimmy T, Kat & Ana).

Again, I can understand all of your disappointment. However, despite Yoshi being as boring a series to discuss as it is, and with so little to say, I hope that those who have enjoyed this topic so far at least have some enjoyment in reading it.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'll have Zelda next. There are lots of interesting characters there. Oh, I would also like an analysis of Vaati in the non-contender section.

The Yoshi series analysis pretty much sums up the general opinion here.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The Yoshi analysis was a little short but a fun and interesting read nonetheless.

I suggest Donkey Kong as next week's update. Then possibly Wario's. That way you could finish off the "Mario verse."

Just a thought.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it'd be better if you went with Wario and then Donkey Kong since Wario seems to be closer to Mario than Donkey Kong.

As for Yoshi, you pretty much captured what I think will happen.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Technically speaking Donkey Kong is more attached to the Mario series considering they've basically been introduced simultaneously via Donkey Kong. Though I can understand what you're talking about considering that the Donkey Kong games starting with Donkey Kong Country are basically set in their own continuity with very little ties with the Mario games.

 

[Shorts]

I think Wario seperated itself well enough with Land, and then completely with Ware. You never see Ware/Land content in Mario spin offs, but you've seen four kongs and two Kremlings in Sluggers.

 

[Frostwraith]

Diddy Kong has appeared already in many spin-offs like Mario Kart, Mario Golf and other sports games. Funky Kong appeared in Mario Kart Wii, too.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I think Wario seperated itself well enough with Land, and then completely with Ware. You never see Ware/Land content in Mario spin offs, but you've seen four kongs and two Kremlings in Sluggers.

Five, actually. Funky, Tiny, Baby DK, DK, and Diddy.

How about Donkey Kong then Wario then Zelda?

 

[FalKoopa]

Five, actually. Funky, Tiny, Baby DK, DK, and Diddy.

Actually six. You forgot Dixie.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Actually six. You forgot Dixie.

I just noticed that. Dangit. But yeah, they've been appearing more and more.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Short and Sweet Yoshi analysis. Only potential characters I can think of not covered are Poochie and the potential new character for Yarn Yoshi but their exception should be obvious.

 

[Starcutter]

yoshi: Kamek. dunno if he is already "covered" but he should be up there.

EDIT: he is. oops.

 

[AnOkayDM]

I'm interested in your Zelda analysis, but DK can come first, I s'pose. I'm also very much looking forward to Metroid, having recently gotten into the series and fully supporting Ridley for Smash 4. It may also be worth discussing Dark Samus and possibly Adam or Anthony in the non-contendors section, along with Skull Kid for Zelda's non-contenders. As for new series, it may be worth talking about Zael, Bayonetta, Tom Nook/Villager, and retro picks like Crono, though I see all of these in the non-contendors section.

Unrelated, please do these more than one every two weeks! I gotta see what you think of Zelda before E3.

 

[Hammer B]

Speaking of which, I really think Yoshi should get Baby Mario, Baby Luigi and Baby Peach as a Down B Transformation (Each baby would give him special attacks just as in Yoshi's Island DS).
The Egg Lay move would be common to every combination because it is Yoshi's signature move.
Baby Mario would be the default baby and by carrying him Yoshi would remain with his classic special moves (Egg Throw and Egg Roll).
Baby Luigi could throw a Chain Chomp (his special item from Mario Kart Double Dash) as a recovery move, while in his side move Yoshi could perform his life-time Yoshi Bomb.
For her part, Baby Peach could use her Parasol as a recovery move and even the Crying ability from Super Princess Peach as a side move.
They could change each other with the help of the Stork, and the move could be called Stork Stop as in Yoshi's Island DS.
This way we could get five characters (Yoshi, the babies and the stork) representing the series for the price of one

 

[Banjodorf]

Do DK next, it's likely a more meaty analysis than Wario would be, and would provide people more to read. (Unless you plan to analyze Captain Syrup + every single WarioWare character, Chrono? I certainly hope not. Do Jimmy T though! He's my favorite! )

On an off-topic note, I'm noticing not just new posters, but older posters with fewer posts coming back to post for the coming onslaught of Smash 4 news. I'm impressed!

 

[ChronoBound]

Uploaded the DK series analysis. I hope some of you actually get something out of this one. Its pretty standard, but I think a lot of the new users coming in will definitely appreciate it.

Next week I will post the Metroid series. I feel its very important to get that series out of the way before E3.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Uploaded the DK series analysis. I hope some of you actually get something out of this one. Its pretty standard, but I think a lot of the new users coming in will definitely appreciate it.

Next week I will post the Metroid series. I feel its very important to get that series out of the way before E3.

Nice avatar. Can't wait for the Metroid stuff.

EDIT: Could you maybe put links to each analysis in the OP? It's a real pain in the a$$ to scroll through all the Mario analysis just to read the others.

 

[BKupa666]

Yeah, you'll get to write "there's a very good chance Ridley will be confirmed in just a few short days" in the Metroid analysis if you post it next.

Golden argued this pretty well in the Roster Prediction thread, but we have little to no proof that relevance affects character selection, and multiple characters serve as evidence against it in both Melee and Brawl. I feel it's basically a fan-created counterpoint, somewhat in the same vein as characters being chosen for their 'moveset potential' and being left out for a lack of it. Nevertheless, it's probably worthwhile to address as you did, and I like that each of your analyses condenses the most common character arguments into a format new users can easily follow.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Another great analysis. These posts always brighten up my day a little.

Can't wait for Metroid! Though if I may ask, what's after Metroid?

 

[FalKoopa]

I wholly agree with the DK analysis.

Can I request an analysis for Funky Kong?

 

[loganhogan]

I know that K. Rool is the likeliest of them too. I liked that you mentioned Cranky and DK Jr. but what about Pauline and Funky Kong? Pauline takes part in the mario and dk games and has her own mini-pauline in there with the other minis and could make a nice cameo like Palutena in Brawl. Funky Kong is very popular and reocurring next to Cranky Kong and could make a nice assist trophy. What do you think?

 

[CELTiiC]

Diddy Kong has appeared already in many spin-offs like Mario Kart, Mario Golf and other sports games. Funky Kong appeared in Mario Kart Wii, too.

I believe a King K. Rool or Funky Kong would be the next addition to the Donkey Kong series. That being said I'd believe both of those characters to have major similarities to a Donkey Kong move pool, with certain specials changed.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Good analysis on the DK series, Chrono. You cut through the margins and got to the real contenders, and I'm glad that you considered DK Jr. a possibility. I do question K. Rool's chances of being revealed early; both DK and Diddy will definitely be available on the starting roster, and I don't feel like Sakurai would make a third DK character a starter (even though he did that with the Kirby series in Brawl). I see what you mean though, with K. Rool offering too much hype to notreveal early, but still, seems questionable to me. If, however, the DK series receives a fourth character, then I can see one of the two newcomers being on the starting roster while the other is unlockable. It's this very reason that I have a feeling we'll be seeing both K. Rool and Dixie Kong.

 

[capitanfalcon]

I very much enjoy reading these analyses! Well-thought out and they make me consider new points of view. I know very little about franchises that aren't "mine" (that is I don't play them) so looking through these helps me understand the demand for certain characters, e.g. K. Rool.

I look forward to the retro series analysis, the new non-retro series analysis, and the third party analysis. Too bad these are at the end... but they give something to look forward to, no?

 

[Banjodorf]

I totally agree with everything DK-related, Chrono. I'm going to have to second a want for an analysis of Funky though, as I still sort of want him playable.

He's got slightly more cred than every non-K. Rool and Dixie contender, on account of MK Wii and being awesome.

Can't wait for your Ridley analysis.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Very good work. I just hope that Sakurai works on the principle that more Monkeys = better game.

 

[RomanceDawn]

I like these, they are fun to read. I just don't agree with modern day relevance for the most part as a major point to add or deny a character.

And as much as I love K Rool and his popularity most everywhere is very high, I just see Dixie as a higher priority since she was actually worked on at some point. Still, with the way Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby and even Fire Emblem got 2 or more characters at once I don't see any reason why they both can't make it.

 

[zauberdragon]

I always find it funny when looking at potential DK reps as the two front runners belong to one of the two most requested camps, a villain and a female. Smash has always been been a predominately male-heroes world so for the sake of variety more than anything else I hope at least one of the two makes it in.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Nice job once again CB. For the most part, you read my mind on some of these thoughts. Really liked the Yoshi analysis and the DK analysis is perfect. Really, K. Rool should be at least in the game and I hope to see him in another DKC (Especially since DKCR was best Donkey Kong and it even got ported to 3DS)

 

[ChronoBound]

A question to the OP.
Recently, we got the "Sonic Lost World is published by Nintendo" announcement, which obviously boosts Sonic's chances to return (although they were relatively high anyway). Supposing something similar happens with a character from an already analysed pool (for example: you put out Zelda series analysis, then suddenly and unexpectably it turns out that Ghirahim is a major villain in aLttP2), what will you do? Edit the post, put some kind of update disclaimer, or just ignore the thing as the analysis represents your knowledge at some past moment?

Yes, I will go back and edit analyses if new information pertaining to a character is made.

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EDIT: Could you maybe put links to each analysis in the OP? It's a real pain in the a$$ to scroll through all the Mario analysis just to read the others.

Yeah, I will do that. Thanks for the suggestion, btw.

Another great analysis. These posts always brighten up my day a little.

Can't wait for Metroid! Though if I may ask, what's after Metroid?

Don't know. Either Zelda or Kirby.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Can we vote between Zelda or Kirby?

Or since you don't have much on Kirby, can we possibly get both like a half a week apart from each other?

 

[AnOkayDM]

I'd prefer Zelda.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Yeah that's another thing. Out of every franchise in Smash, Kirby is by far the one that's the most complete, so there's not really much to say about Waddle Dee. Meanwhile, Zelda at least has a few interesting points even if it doesn't get a newcomer.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Gonna be great to see the Metroid one. I feel that you bring up some very valid and good points both for and against characters, it's really a joy to read.

Also, I vote Zelda next too, as thethirdkoopa said, Kirby is already pretty complete, adding any more characters would merely be bonuses. Zelda on the other hand is enormous to talk about, so might as well get that one out as soon as possible.

 

[ChronoBound]

Yeah that's another thing. Out of every franchise in Smash, Kirby is by far the one that's the most complete, so there's not really much to say about Waddle Dee. Meanwhile, Zelda at least has a few interesting points even if it doesn't get a newcomer.

I actually say A LOT about Waddle Dee in my analysis for him. There is also an extensive non-contender section for Kirby. You are right that demand is weak for a Kirby newcomer, however, it is certainly a series worth talking about.

The thing about the Zelda analysis is that I may have to go back and make edits to it due to announcements and new information that happen at E3. That may take a while considering how much is written for the Zelda series analysis.

I may not even post a new series analysis during the week of E3 (though I certainly will post one during the week after). The new information about Smash 4 and new game announcements and information, will give me a lot to consider for future analyses, so I would probably have to hold off for that week.

 

[FalKoopa]

@Chrono
A few users (including me) have been requesting an analysis for Funky Kong.

 

[ChronoBound]

@Chrono
A few users (including me) have been requesting an analysis for Funky Kong.

I think I mentioned Funky Kong in the "Other Rare Created DK characters" analysis in the non-contenders section.. I think I even mention that Funky Kong was playable in Mario Kart Wii.

There was just so many Kongs and so many of them basically have the same fate (trophy or sticker at best) and overall negligible popularity, that I just grouped them together.