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Minor correction here: Rosalina wasn't in Mario Sluggers. Some trolls on Gamefaqs are using this to try and discredit you btw, so see if you can fix it there too.
Okay, I must have overlooked that. I will go back and edit it.
Alright then. Definitely mention Dark Pit being an alternate color and Magnus begging to be an AT.
A typo that spell check didn't pick up on.
Currently on Shortie's poll:
Most of which is due to Smashboard and Gamefaq which have more younger kids. They are not liked outside of this place. Plus, not sure why Sakurai would chose Paper Mario over Doc.
Playing devil's advocate, even if you were to give Waluigi the point for "most popularity", the thing is that Toad, Paper Mario, and Bowser Jr. are all popular too (just not to the extent as Waluigi). Secondly, all of those characters have merits to them aside from popularity (which are outlined in their respective analyses).
The problem is choosing the best one. These characters are going to be more popular than most because Mario has more games and more sales per game than most series. The problem is that Junior and Paper add nothing. Junior has never really cached on and he performs poorly compared to other Mario characters. Paper Mario is just Mario and, as a result, adds very little to the game. Why not just chose Doc who is more prominent, more liked, and has been in Smash before. There isn't much that Junior or Paper bring that the rest of the Mario characters don't bring already.
Junior and Paper are Nsider characters which means they never had a chance but a bunch of people though they did. Tom Nook is the same way, but a better example of what I call the Nsider effect. When Nsiders closed, Nsider fan bases moved to Smashboards and Gamefaq. What I'm saying is they aren't popular, it's more of who you ask.
At least Paper Mario is owned by Nintendo.
You're leaving out some things.
I know, but I was mainly talking about now.
Sakurai is known for not changing his opinions on characters very well unless there's a very good reason why that's the case. As much as I would love to see Dr. Mario as Mario's alternate costume, it's unfortunately unlikely to happen.ChronoBound said:
I don't think that sales plays a role in who gets in. Looking at Toise's sale theory should show how little sales matters (and Sakurai has even went on the record that Pit was included despite bad sales of the GBA game).ChronoBound said:
I said "could add something." Don't act like an idiot unless you want to look like an idiot.
Even I don't think he has a guns shot in hell but have you even heard about Fatmanonice? People at least put up quite an interest. I wouldn't call them all morons even if some of them are a bit unrealistic. Hell, when I was a kid playing Smash 64 I Wanted Wolf and well two games later...
Shulk is definitely in the contender list.
Thanks. I really appreciate every complement I get on this. I really do.
Paper Mario is actually much more requested than Geno is nowadays. Also, I feel a side character that appeared in only one game would be as good as a character that was the main protagonist of four in terms of representing the Mario RPGs.
Well that is a less polite way of putting it.
Dr. Mario's "hate base" is pretty much "I don't want him to come back and stink up a spot on the character selection screen". Most people are cool with the idea of him becoming an alternate costume or EX character, but would much rather see some other Mario character get in first.
Yes, Bowser Jr. used to have a large hatebase that extended outside the Smash Bros. fanbase (Mario fans themselves). Aside from the reason you mentioned, they also did not like Bowser Jr. because he felt he was just Baby Bowser with a name swap. He was also "tainted" with Super Mario Sunshine not living up to Super Mario 64, and New Super Mario Bros. not living up to Super Mario Bros. 3 or Super Mario World.
Thank you. I am glad you liked my work. I did put a lot of time and effort into it. So I appreciate every good word it gets.
Thanks for compliment. Yeah, there is a lot more on the way. You just are going to have to be patient.
I doubt Mother will be receiving any newcomer at all in Smash 4, and perhaps ever again in Smash Bros. The series creator, Itoi, has said that the Mother series is "complete". I think the only things in the future to that franchise are localizations of the two Japan-only titles to the series, a compilation, or possibly remakes.
Thanks. Personally, I did not request for this to be stickied, so thank you to all of those who requested and believed that this thread is a valuable enough resource for it to be stickied. I think that this thread's utility will be particularly shown after we get a formal unveil after E3, and many new guys to the Smash Bros. scene will have little understanding about what the situation is like for various series at this point as well as well as background and analysis for a lot of characters they probably have not even heard of.
Hahaha, looks like another customer from the past.
I am glad you enjoyed my pre-Brawl analyses too.
It's possible in a Smash 5 or DLC at least, at minimal face value. I said this in the Mother thread and I'll say it here: I don't mind a series that has a fair representation. Fair representation =/= Overrepresentation. It wouldn't feel filler. Sure, it'd feel a bit odd, but Fire Emblem getting two Representatives in Melee was surely not normal. I would like to see your commentary on Masked Man nonetheless so it's not just "mother is boring moving on"I doubt Mother will be receiving any newcomer at all in Smash 4, and perhaps ever again in Smash Bros. The series creator, Itoi, has said that the Mother series is "complete". I think the only things in the future to that franchise are localizations of the two Japan-only titles to the series, a compilation, or possibly remakes.
Also, I don't think its fair to compare Geno to Wolf. Wolf is actually a significant re-occurring character in his series, where Geno's only appearance outside of Super Mario RPG was a cameo in a game released a decade ago.
Also, hahaha, I did not think there was anybody left that remembered my works during the pre-Brawl days. I appreciate that you not only loved what I wrote then, but you still continue to enjoy my writings today. It really meant a lot for you to say that.
Well, the franchises that could arguably warrant a new character this time around is Metroid with Ridley, Kid Icarus with Palutena, and Donkey Kong with King K. Rool. Keep in mind that other choices that get thrown around have a lot of problems with competition, in other words nobody can exactly agree on stuff related to things like Fire Emblem, Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. Another problem is that a lot of choices suffer from a very shaky basis, ether due to a broken "love it or hate it" type deal, not being deserving enough, or just generally unenthusiastic endeavors.
My interest in Geno came straight from his pre-Brawl hype. I was curious about why he gained such hype despite being such an obscure character. When Super Mario RPG came out on the Virtual Console, I decided to check the game out along with Geno and loved both. I would be very pleasantly surprised to see Geno in the next game.thethirdkoopa said:
I'd be excited to see it. I myself want to create a spiritual successor version of Wiseguy's prediction thread and see how close I get to guessing the final roster (I already have made a prediction roster already).thethirdkoopa said:
Alright. It'd be a spiritual successor to http://smashboards.com/threads/the-probable-character-roster-3-0-_.116826/]this thread[/url] from Homelessvagrant. I think I have an idea on improving on it. I'll probably get working on it once I get back, and for now, I'll probably only go with new characters. I think there's enough to fill the 40 mark. I can probably do veterans somewhere else as well.
The game that the Nintendouji is from is really obscure. I believe he was only in one Japan-only game that was only available as a Club Nintendo exclusive. If you really want I will make an entry for him under the non-contender section for the "new series" analysis, but realistic I think he is only going to be a sticker at best.On dark horse candidates, I'd suggest adding this guy: Nintendouji.
Thread link: http://smashboards.com/threads/335711/
I already have those assessments regarding Dark Pit and Magnus in my notes for the Kid Icarus analysis.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised myself, but think its for the greater good overall. A lot of what I am saying although its basically common sense is not really known by those outside Smash Bros. speculation circles. So its definitely going to be a big help once we have more traffic as we approach E3 and when we formally get an E3 unveil.Kinda surprised this was stickied given that this is an opinion thread (no offense), that definitely says a lot so you should be proud Chrono.
Forgot to ask but out of curiosity when can we expect the next one (DK?) and are you planning on finishing this before E3?
Okay, there was actually quite a bit on this post I feel is wrong.
Yeah I actually agree with this. I think the only series that absolutely do need newcomers this time are Metroid, DK, and Kid Icarus. Mario could also use one too, however, the problem is that there is absolutely no consensus on who it should be. Mewtwo and Roy may be the only "new" characters added for Pokemon and FE, so technically they may not count as "newcomers" per se. And for all the other true newcomers for Pokemon and FE there is a lot division and disagreement (people cannot even agree on which FE13 character or female FE character it should be).
I think if Smash 4 were to have 12 newcomers this time (not including Mewtwo and Roy), they would be better off including reps for new series entirely than scrapping the bottom of the barrel for veteran franchises. Really, in terms of important actors, you really only have Ridley, K. Rool, Palutena, and one of Toad/Bowser Jr./Paper Mario to put in. I would like to think of Dixie Kong as pretty important too, but unfortunately, there is not as much interest in her as a lot of other characters (even Toad has more interest than Dixie). I do think Dixie Kong has a 50/50 shot at getting in though.
Sure cool here we go
It's still worth covering. Also, it's there in Japan. Wouldn't be too sure about now (Though to be frank, the only stuff that really DOES have it's popularity there is Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter) and as for West, how the hell do you even poll it? Sonic made it in (Though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) on a poll at NSider. Nintendo no longer has this. Unless a message board for Smash that Nintendo officially looks at, it's all on the Art/Programming team (Blending can take mixes if you know anything about developing a fighting game), Sakurai, a bit on Namco Bandai, and anyone else leading with him.
Well, you know, some fighting games have gone pretty heavy on DLC, but others tend to avoid it. It's really a matter of what Smash Bros does rather than "Let's speculate what Sakurai/All the others lead developing with him/Namco Bandai" want. Games like MvC3 only received two, yet SFxT or Mortal Kombat we've seen twelve.
The point I was making is that Smash has gone a long way. When it was Smash 64, we didn't even know if there would be a next Smash (though it seemed kinda obvious) so for me to see him in Brawl was honestly happy. I wanted to make people who have had support for a long time in a character feel better.
I'll agree with that, but I'm more-or-less saying it's possible to go out.
I mean as in received a new number as well as a new newcomer. I guess if you want to count the other stuff, sure, but whether the direction is on more new franchises or beefing up the roster is the true debate with... a lot of characters. I'll just keep my thoughts at that. We really don't have any insight considering we've never got commentary one way or the other.
I never take this stuff personally unless the person is a douchebag. As a huge game player, a podcast host, and a future game producer? I like talking with other gamers. You did just fine at saying your disagreements.
Honestly, keep it coming. My only two suggestions is that I really do want to see more on what you think of Claus/Dillon. Other then that? You've got quite the player list that will be interesting for me to see.
All of those characters will be talked about in the Mother section so don't worry.
King Hippo and Captain N are the only two in that list that won't get their own entries. King Hippo is simply another Punch-Out adversary, while Captain N is a non-video game character.Curious about your thoughts on Duck Hunt Dog, Muddy Mole, Medusa, King Hippo, Meowth, Captain N, Villager (Animal Crossing), and other non-contenders.
The problem is that no one is really asking for a Mother newcomer in Japan either. Heck, since Claus is the character you are banging on the drum for most, I think its important to point out that Mother 3 is the most weakly received game in the trilogy in Japan.
There are plenty of characters with strong demand this time. Ridley, K. Rool, Mega Man, and Mewtwo are the only ones with legions of highly active supporters though. Characters like Little Mac, Isaac, Roy, and Palutena do have lots of support though.
Its look very grim for the future of the Mother series when the series creator has repeatedly stated that he is done with the series, and that Mother 3 was the conclusion to it. If you knew what Itoi went through to finish/make Mother 3 (and even Mother 2), you would understand why. Itoi is very closely involved with the Mother series, to the point where the game's entire script is written by him.
You are the one who brought up DLC in the first place. Secondly, if character DLC were to happen for Smash 4, I would imagine it would be reserved to veterans who got bumped out due to time constraints as well as possibly newcomers he originally intended (such as Toon Zelda and Dixie Kong in Brawl).
There was an announcement that a new Smash Bros. was announced in 1999/2000, and the game sold extremely well. There was little doubt in anyone's mind that the would be a new installment.
We likely got Falco over Wolf for two reasons, none of which have to deal with time constraints:
I don't know what you are trying to say here. We did end up getting newcomers for practically every franchise. If you are saying that FE and Zelda technically did not receive any newcomers since the number of playable characters compared to Melee remained flat, that still does not mean they did not receive newcomers.
This is not a list of who I would like to see, but rather who has a realistic shot at showing up (at least the characters with their own pictures). Claus is definitely a non-contender (really any character from Mother is). If Mother were to ever somehow get a third playable character, it would most likely be Porky, whom has an important role in Mother 2 and Mother 3, and is what connects Ness's struggles with that of Lucas's.
The target audience for this is not people like you. Its for people who have little understanding of Smash Bros. in general. The kind of people who don't know who Takamaru or Shulk is. Also, I don't think "rehashed" is a kind word to describe this work.
