The ULTIMATE Probable Playable Characters In Brawl Analysis Topic!(1 week til Brawl!)

[ChronoBound]

I don't believe either Eliwood OR Roy are that good to make it in, and shouldn't now with Ike in

Marth is the only other sword weilder that should make it in, other than Maybe Black Knight...

Anyone else that makes it shouldn't just be another sword user

Anyone who says there are too many sword-users in Brawl does not know a thing about swordplay.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Anyone who says there are too many sword-users in Brawl does not know a thing about swordplay.

I'm saying I don't like Eliwood or Roy and they shouldn't be in Brawl at all

and they couldn't have a good moveset, different from Marth and etc. anyway

 

[Houndstooth]

ChronoBound-

Yes. I was wondering if you were getting a copy of the magazine or not.

 

[Boofer]

I must say that I like your predictions. I will say that I'd also prefer someone other than a sword user from the Fire Emblem series (but that seems unlikely).

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm saying I don't like Eliwood or Roy and they shouldn't be in Brawl at all

and they couldn't have a good moveset, different from Marth and etc. anyway

Both Sigurd and Eliwood could very easily be given their own moveset. Both lords fight differently than Marth or Ike. The use of a javelin and a war horse both immediately come to mind. Also, Eliwood would probably use a rapier, which is used quite differently from your average medieval sword, and would probably be a balanced characters, with no particular weaknesses or strengths (like he was in Blazing Sword).

Roy would have to be given his father's javelin-throw ability and war horse in order to be fully de-cloned (if Roy were to return he would also have the ability to shoot fireballs out of his sword). However, this would not be not odd since nearly all of Lucas's moves come from Kumatora.

Also to LCHSGoBigRed, I won't be getting the magazine since I don't live in Japan. However, I will be looking vigorously on the Internet for the scans to it the week it comes about (there is a chance that it may be leaked a few days before it hits the stands).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Both Sigurd and Eliwood could very easily be given their own moveset. Both lords fight differently than Marth or Ike. The use of a javelin and a war horse both immediately come to mind. Also, Eliwood would probably use a rapier, which is used quite differently from your average medieval sword, and would probably be a balanced characters, with no particular weaknesses or strengths (like he was in Blazing Sword).

Roy would have to be given his father's javelin-throw ability and war horse in order to be fully de-cloned (if Roy were to return he would also have the ability to shoot fireballs out of his sword). However, this would not be not odd since nearly all of Lucas's moves come from Kumatora.

Sigurd maybe, but I really don't like the idea of Roy, and DEFINETLY don't like the idea of Eliwood.

Still would rather have Black knight since he's the Dark Vader of the PoR thing...

Maybe Michiah as well because too many sword users from the same series is boring...

But definitely Marth

 

[ChronoBound]

Sigurd maybe, but I really don't like the idea of Roy, and DEFINETLY don't like the idea of Eliwood.

Still would rather have Black knight since he's the Dark Vader of the PoR thing...

Maybe Michiah as well because too many sword users from the same series is boring...

But definitely Marth

Leaf is definitely up your alley then. He is the only lord who can wield swords, axes, bows, lances, and spears, as well as use every magic-type except dark or light. He would have a very interesting moveset to say the least, not to mention he starred in two Fire Emblems.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Sigurd maybe, but I really don't like the idea of Roy, and DEFINETLY don't like the idea of Eliwood.

Still would rather have Black knight since he's the Dark Vader of the PoR thing...

Maybe Michiah as well because too many sword users from the same series is boring...

But definitely Marth

Black Knight, out of the Playable Roster, and enter in the Boss Roster. He is a very cliché'd generic villian of Fire Emblem.

Nothing can't make you change your hate towards Roy or Eliwood though, so I won't complain.

Micaiah... I say no. Ike is enough to represent Tellius.

 

[Zevox]

Also, Eliwood would probably use a rapier

I doubt that. Each FE character in SSB thus far has had their legendary weapon - Marth with Falchion, Roy with the Sword of Seals, and Ike with Ragnell. If Eliwood got in, I'd expect him to be sporting Durandal. Heck, from what I've heard, Marth used a rapier early in his games too, which gives me all the more reason to suspect that.

Zevox

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Black Knight, out of the Playable Roster, and enter in the Boss Roster. He is a very cliché'd generic villian of Fire Emblem.

Nothing can't make you change your hate towards Roy or Eliwood though, so I won't complain.

Micaiah... I say no. Ike is enough to represent Tellius.

Black Knight at least has importance to Ike, unlike any of the other choices

 

[Roy-Kun]

Black Knight at least has importance to Ike, unlike any of the other choices

That's exactly the reason why the Black Knight can be a Boss: to face Ike.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's exactly the reason why the Black Knight can be a Boss: to face Ike.

Well, that's why he could be a character too...to face Ike

 

[ChronoBound]

I doubt that. Each FE character in SSB thus far has had their legendary weapon - Marth with Falchion, Roy with the Sword of Seals, and Ike with Ragnell. If Eliwood got in, I'd expect him to be sporting Durandal. Heck, from what I've heard, Marth used a rapier early in his games too, which gives me all the more reason to suspect that.

Zevox

Hm, I would tend to agree, however, Durandal is huge and abit unwieldy, so I can only see it being used in a Final Smash.

As for Micaiah, she is heading down the same road as Roy, in that a lot of Smash fans like both characters, however, they are unpopular among Fire Emblem fans. However, I won't bring up some posts as they would ignite a huge flame war with the Micaiah fans. So I would say overall, a Jugdrall lord would be Sakurai's best bet to include as the third Fire Emblem character.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Well, that's why he could be a character too...to face Ike

No, he is not important enough to the Fire Emblem series. And I don't think the Fire Emblem series need a playable antagonist, since there are many, but many antagonist in these series, not a constant threat.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

No, he is not important enough to the Fire Emblem series. And I don't think the Fire Emblem series need a playable antagonist, since there are many, but many antagonist in these series, not a constant threat.

Not to the only character of Fire Emblem IN Smash right now though.

 

[ChronoBound]

No, he is not important enough to the Fire Emblem series. And I don't think the Fire Emblem series need a playable antagonist, since there are many, but many antagonist in these series, not a constant threat.

Alvis would make a much better playable Fire Emblem villain in my opinion. He already has a Final Smash (Falaflame).

 

[Zevox]

Black Knight at least has importance to Ike, unlike any of the other choices

Well, that's why he could be a character too...to face Ike

This is the problem: the Black Knight is only important to Ike. Nobody else sees him as anything more than an enemy general, of which there are plenty. In the end, hes nothing more than a flunky to the truly important characters of his games. He can face Ike just fine as a SSE boss, and more important, worthy characters can be given the playable slots.

Zevox

 

[ChronoBound]

Not to the only character of Fire Emblem IN Smash right now though.

Too bad Marth will be in, and Marth is much more important to the Fire Emblem series than Ike.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

This is the problem: the Black Knight is only important to Ike. Nobody else sees him as anything more than an enemy general, of which there are plenty. In the end, hes nothing more than a flunky to the truly important characters of his games. He can face Ike just fine as a SSE boss, and more important, worthy characters can be given the playable slots.

Zevox

Ike is the ONLY person from PoR to make it into Smash, therefore...HIS villain, not anyone else's has more importance.

 

[Zevox]

Ike is the ONLY person from PoR to make it into Smash, therefore...HIS villain, not anyone else's has more importance.

Thats laughable. The only way this would make any sense is if Fire Emblem were being restricted to only characters from PoR/RD, which is a foolish thought. Ike's presence is a possible reason for him to be a SSE boss, not a playable character.

Zevox

 

[ChronoBound]

Ike is the ONLY person from PoR to make it into Smash, therefore...HIS villain, not anyone else's has more importance.

Did you ignore my post? I would be absolutely shocked, with my mouth wide open, if Marth is not a playable character. Marth's nemesis, Medeus, also has appeared in more games than the Black Knight giving him priority over him for a boss spot. However, I also think that Black Knight has a good shot at being a boss.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did you ignore my post? I would be absolutely shocked, with my mouth wide open, if Marth is not a playable character. Marth's nemesis, Medeus, also has appeared in more games than the Black Knight giving him priority over him for a boss spot. However, I also think that Black Knight has a good shot at being a boss.

The second another Fire Emblem character is announced THEN you can talk about their villain being in...

It doesn't matter anyway seeing as Ike already is slow and power and has Black Knight's entrance anyway...

 

[ChronoBound]

The second another Fire Emblem character is announced THEN you can talk about their villain being in...

It doesn't matter anyway seeing as Ike already is slow and power and has Black Knight's entrance anyway...

That's like saying Captain Falcon is not going to show up.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's like saying Captain Falcon is not going to show up.

Captain Falcon is obvious, Marth is not.

Ike already has Counter and a pretty close up B

Marth is probably going to be in but it is no way the odds of Falcon being in

 

[ChronoBound]

Captain Falcon is obvious, Marth is not.

Ike already has Counter and a pretty close up B

Marth is probably going to be in but it is no way the odds of Falcon being in

Marth is going to be the star of Fire Emblem 11. Cutting him out would be downright dumb, and a bad move all around.

If the roster really does get leaked with that new issue of CoroCoro, then all these debates can finally be put to rest.

 

[Roy-Kun]

The second another Fire Emblem character is announced THEN you can talk about their villain being in...

It doesn't matter anyway seeing as Ike already is slow and power and has Black Knight's entrance anyway...

As I mentioned before, Fire Emblem doesn't needs a Playable Antagonist. Each saga has different villians, and different heroes.

And please, all the focus on FE9/FE10? It will be an insult to the Fire Emblem fans.

If you know nothing of Fire Emblem besides FE9, keep away.

 

[Zevox]

The second another Fire Emblem character is announced THEN you can talk about their villain being in...

It doesn't matter anyway seeing as Ike already is slow and power and has Black Knight's entrance anyway...

You do realize that warp magic is a staple of the series, not something unique to the Black Knight, right? Its been used ever since the first game.

As for the villain thing, you seem to be making a fundamental assumption which is in error, which is that Fire Emblem would have a villain as a playable character. Thats just not likely at all - not a single villain in the series has the importance and popularity of most of the Lords, so theres no reason for one to be playable.

As a boss though, its not like they're restricted from drawing villains only from games of characters who get into Brawl as PCs. SSE is already heavily crossover-based, so I wouldn't be surprised if many of the villains do not fight their foes from their own games. Medeus has a fair chance of being a boss because of two main factors: the first being that he is a Dragon, which is the most iconic final boss in the Fire Emblem series, and the second being that he is a recurring main villain, present in all of Marth's games. And of course hes also the first main villain of the saga, making him a bit of an icon to it in his own right.

Captain Falcon is obvious, Marth is not.

Ike already has Counter and a pretty close up B

Oh please, their up-B moves are nothing alike. Marth's is a quick upward slash, Ike's is a combo-style move akin to Kirby's Final Cutter. Plus Aether was actually taken straight from Ike's games, it wasn't made up specifically for SSB like Dolphin Slash was. And counter is a generic enough move that almost any character could have it, especially Fire Emblem's skilled swordsmen. As Fire Emblem characters go, they don't get more obvious than Marth.

Zevox

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

As I mentioned before, Fire Emblem doesn't needs a Playable Antagonist. Each saga has different villians, and different heroes.

And please, all the focus on FE9/FE10? It will be an insult to the Fire Emblem fans.

If you know nothing of Fire Emblem besides FE9, keep away.

Well, I personally think every series in Smash should have a playable villain.

And it should focus the villain more on whatever characters are represented IN Smash.

Ike is the only character revealed so far and HIS villain is Black Knight.

Also, any villain of the other characters is a Japanese only character.

They have THAT going against them

 

[ChronoBound]

As I mentioned before, Fire Emblem doesn't needs a Playable Antagonist. Each saga has different villians, and different heroes.

And please, all the focus on FE9/FE10? It will be an insult to the Fire Emblem fans.

If you know nothing of Fire Emblem besides FE9, keep away.

Amen. Seriously, there is much more to Fire Emblem than Tellius.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Well, I personally think every series in Smash should have a playable villain.

And it should focus the villain more on whatever characters are represented IN Smash.

Ike is the only character revealed so far and HIS villain is Black Knight.

Also, any villain of the other characters is a Japanese only character.

They have THAT going against them

Fire Emblem IS different from any other Nintendo series. No Playable Antagonists, the Antagonist for Bosses!

So, if Isaac appears in Brawl, Alex or the Wise one should appear too? I prefer Felix.

^ That's your logic.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

As I mentioned before, Fire Emblem doesn't needs a Playable Antagonist. Each saga has different villians, and different heroes.

And please, all the focus on FE9/FE10? It will be an insult to the Fire Emblem fans.

If you know nothing of Fire Emblem besides FE9, keep away.

Except I've been playing Fire Emblem before most of you probably knew who Marth even was...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Fire Emblem IS different from any other Nintendo series. No Playable Antagonists, the Antagonist for Bosses!

So, if Isaac appears in Brawl, Alex or the Wise one should appear too? I prefer Felix.

^ That's your logic.

How is it different?

Are you forgetting the MOTHER series...different playable characters in every game...

People want Claus in and he's not even the main villain.

Yes, I think EVERY series should get a villain

 

[Zevox]

Well, I personally think every series in Smash should have a playable villain.

And therein lies the problem. Theres absolutely no reason to put in a villain from each series as a PC, any more than there is to put in a female from each series, or a sidekick from each series, or whatever other arbitrary story category you wish to pick. The most important and popular characters from the series are the ones who get in. Sometimes a villain is among those characters, sometimes one is not. In Fire Emblem, there isn't any villain who qualifies, and thus there will not be a playable one.

Zevox

 

[Roy-Kun]

How is it different?

Are you forgetting the MOTHER series...different playable characters in every game...

People want Claus in and he's not even the main villain.

Yes, I think EVERY series should get a villain

MOTHER is similar to Fire Emblem, and yet has no Villian.

Fire Emblem has many, but many different heroes, villians, and such. Lords are more important.

And all the focus on FE9/FE10? You know, that is pretty fanboyish from you.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

MOTHER is similar to Fire Emblem, and yet has no Villian.

Fire Emblem has many, but many different heroes, villians, and such. Lords are more important.

And all the focus on FE9/FE10? You know, that is pretty fanboyish from you.

No it's not, It just makes sense now that Ike is in, the characters in his time and such should interact with him in Smash.

Lucas replaced Ness because he's the newest hero, the villain people want in is Claus. (Even though Claus is not the final villain or the main threat)

It's no different. It should be characters that interact with Ike.

 

[ChronoBound]

And therein lies the problem. Theres absolutely no reason to put in a villain from each series as a PC, any more than there is to put in a female from each series, or a sidekick from each series, or whatever other arbitrary story category you wish to pick. The most important and popular characters from the series are the ones who get in. Sometimes a villain is among those characters, sometimes one is not. In Fire Emblem, there isn't any villain who qualifies, and thus there will not be a playable one.

Zevox

Amen. A character's importance to the series should be their primary means of getting in (moveset potential also helps).

Unfortunately for Fire Emblem, it is very hard to gauge (outside Marth and Ike) who is important to the overall series. Most of the lords outside of Marth, Ike, and perhaps Leaf (while he was a playable character in FE4, he wasn't the main lord), and perhaps Eliwood and Hector (both of whom are unlockable trial map characters in FE6, but still aren't the lords of that game) were not playable for more than one game.

 

[AlbelNox]

Sincerely, I don't think that the 15th December will be revealed the complete roster, neither that there'll be any veteran announced until there is a public announcement/the game comes out. I also doubt there are gonna be only three more newcomers; there'll be at least five. Sakurai is playing with us by having not posted a newcomer in a whole month; he surely is to compensate that with a lot of them in a short period, either now or when the game is about to come out.

 

[Roy-Kun]

No it's not, It just makes sense now that Ike is in, the characters in his time and such should interact with him in Smash.

Lucas replaced Ness because he's the newest hero, the villain people want in is Claus. (Even though Claus is not the final villain or the main threat)

It's no different. It should be characters that interact with Ike.

So, Ike is now the complete and absolute icon of Fire Emblem, destroyed Marth and the rest have no importance?

Stupid logic.

 

[Zevox]

No it's not, It just makes sense now that Ike is in, the characters in his time and such should interact with him in Smash.

In Subspace Emissary, that makes sense (hence the whole "Black Knight could be a boss" thing we keep stressng). In the game's PC roster, it doesn't even come close. Limiting the selection of PCs to one small corner of a large, diverse franchise would be foolish to say the least, and very upsetting to the majority of the series' fans. Its not going to happen, period.

Edit: Hell, take a look at the only other Fire Emblem thing we know of in Brawl thus far - Lyn is an AT. Is she from Ike's games? Nope. There goes any theory that the series is being limited to Ike's games.

Zevox

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So, Ike is now the complete and absolute icon of Fire Emblem, destroyed Marth and the rest have no importance?

Stupid logic.

Well tell that to the Mother series...

It's makes perfect logical sense that Ike would interact with people from his own time and such.

Lucas isn't the icon of Mother...yet he got in and I don't think we're getting any character from Mother 2 and hell if Mother 1.