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move over incineroar, we've found our REAL wrestling-move characterHey guys, I've mostly been showing support for Tails at this point but wanted to stop by and show some support for Shadow as well. Go team!
it seems unreasonable to make shadow a boss
Because of how popular he is. If Shadow’s no where to be seen in the base game, I honestly won’t even be mad. Because if he’s DLC I bet you anything he’ll be a semi, or perhaps an echo in a Tails character bundle pack? It’s hard to say what’s going to happen at this point but being a boss would be the worst case scenario by far.
i think the worst case scenario is that our fanbase gets waluigi'd
Undoubtedly, and Sonic gets so much hate as it is already. Goodness I hope he gets in. I don’t care how they make him playable. For the sake of my sanity and my childhood PLEASE SHADOW!!!
I hope he gets in too, I want to main him so badly alongside Lucario, Mewtwo, Ryu, and possibly Ken (if he gets in as Ryu's Echo.)
Well according to popular speculation and theory Ken is essentially a lock at this point. Along with Incineroar.
Wait what? Who is hating on Sonic? Bring them over here and I'll give them a smack in the face.
Then if Shadow doesn't get in, I'll probably main Ken or Incineroar (especially since the latter happens to be my favorite Fire type starter!)
Perhaps they did plan to have him in the initial roster, but things didn't pan out the way they did and they had to scrap him for the time being.
Yeah. And the fact that I still argue that the Sonic franchise DOES NOT GET TREATED WELL in Smash Bros compared to the other 3rd parties, which is kinda ironic considering that Sonic stood the longest out of all the third party characters. Plus, I honestly won't be surprised if we get Waluigi'd, bc I think the Smash development team really doesn't like the Sonic franchise (that might be just me though), and they see this franchise as a joke just like the others who like to hate on Sonic. Sorry if I sound so pessimistic, but I really want that the Smash development team redeem themselves to better represent this franchise. Sonic really deserves better. If Castlevenia can have 2 reps, why can't Sonic? I honestly think it's really unfair.
I've already kinda reassured you at least in regards to developers feelings on Sonic before. But in terms of those who dislike Sonic, it's not like Shadow's going to fix that reputation. As they'd be like "hahahaha Sonic finally got another character and it's their stupid, lazy, ow the edge meme character that plays exactly like Sonic"Yeah. And the fact that I still argue that the Sonic franchise DOES NOT GET TREATED WELL in Smash Bros compared to the other 3rd parties, which is kinda ironic considering that Sonic stood the longest out of all the third party characters. Plus, I honestly won't be surprised if we get Waluigi'd, bc I think the Smash development team really doesn't like the Sonic franchise (that might be just me though), and they see this franchise as a joke just like the others who like to hate on Sonic. Sorry if I sound so pessimistic, but I really want that the Smash development team redeem themselves to better represent this franchise. Sonic really deserves better. If Castlevenia can have 2 reps, why can't Sonic? I honestly think it's really unfair.
EDIT: I don't believe the box theory. I think there's way too much evidence that's pointing towards Shadow's inclusion in Ultimate. Out of all the few characters left to be revealed before the game's launch, I really think and believe that Shadow is one of the few left to make into the base roster.
...In the grand scheme of things and if it was the only way Tails was getting in Smash. I'd take it. (Though still begrudgingly since I don't know why you make the character designed like Sonic more unique then the character with two flying tails)
No it wouldn't. seeing as Tails has changed a lot since the Classic Era of Sonic to the point that he could be a unique newcomer or even a semi-clone of Sonic, he can't even do the Homing attack or the Spring Jump for starters, both which are required for Tails to be a direct echo of Sonic (plus using his Tails to fly would be one of the most unique recoveries in the game), even then, Tails had a complete moveset in Sonic the Fighters (which was the basis for Sonic's entire moveset) that was drastically different than Sonic's own, if Tails got in, expect his Sonic the Fighters moveset to be used as the basis for his fighting style.
The box theory has merits and could hold true.
Whenever more characters appear than the box theory holds then it no longer holds value. The characters shown on the side is what the box theory is about once it is proven wrong then the box theory no longer holds any value.
Or people are skeptical of a theory that suggests we will only be getting 3 characters and we have two months to prove that wrong.
I would prefer them both to be original, but seeing how unlikely that would be I would think either Shadow or Tails could be an echo of Sonic. Shadow looks similar enough to Sonic in appearance that I would think with original attacks it would help him to stand out differently, whereas Tails may look different in appearance but could have similar moves to Sonic with some adjustments (using his Tails to fly among others). Just my thoughts.
The back of the box exists. The box theory in regards to the sides could hold true but still leave room for more.
Except the back of the box is not what the box theory is about. That is changing the theory entirely to prove that you are right.
And believe that a box that can be subject to change is not the answer
No. What is childish is scolding someone, telling them that they are "plugging their ears" for doubting a theory that is yet to be proven. And the people who stated they don't trust the box theory have their individual reasons not to trust it that do not simply equate to "I refuse to believe it".
Another childish point is to put words in my mouth simply so you can gain an edge in a disagreement. Just because someone refuses to believe does not mean they lack an open mind, maybe they refuse to believe it because all the conclusions they come to does not mean the box theory is right.
It doesn't hold merits at all, because we haven't seen the rest of the box's other sides, plus it's a placeholder!
Couldn't have put that any better myself. Though, I wouldn't be conflicted with Shadow's inclusion since he and Adventure 2 still play a big part of my childhood, and he's legitimately one of the few characters I'd freak out over being in the game, even as an echo. Which let's be honest, that's the best he's getting. No Isabelle treatment for him, as much as I'd like it.
If Sonic gets lucky and gets three characters though in this game it's going to be Tails and Shadow though. Eggman's best hopes is a boss in Spirits mode along the likes of Dracula. Shadow has been an AT since Brawl, and Tails got a Mii Costume in Smash 4 (Which we know have gotten upgrades for plenty of characters and it will be weird if Tails gets nothing while Shadow and Knuckles both get significant upgrades).
It's all good man. I totally understand you. I did have mixed feelings towards Shadow in the recent years, but I still really do like him personally. I loved him back in his debut in SA2, but bc he was meant to just be in SA2, future installments kinda start to ruin him. It's like the writers don't know what to do with the Black Hedgehog. Sure, I argue he wasn't that bad in Heroes, but his own game just bugs me. I don't like how Shadow is represented in his own game, which makes me think why I don't want Shadow having guns, bc SEGA knows that it was idiotic to give this character guns despite his ''cool'' and ''edgy'' factor. He was alright in Sonic 06, but onwards, they completely butchered him, and his new voice actor doesn't help at all (he sounds like an old man).
Ugh, I'm merely thinking more than what someone points out to me and saying True or False. It can be both. Not sure why you feel it's 100% or 0%. I guess my theory is Box Theory + then? Or Box Theory Ultimate? I don't know, but it's based on the box, the music, the stages, Sakurai's words, etc. it all points to the roster coming to a close. The box theory may be too little, but it's still a reality check for most people on here. Writing it off and expecting a Delibird's tail of newcomers left is only going to lead to disappointment.
Again, stop putting words in my mouth.
It is not unreasonable to expect more newcomers than what a box says as we have two more months to wait until Smash Ultimate releases.
But the issue is that the box theory does not mention the back side of the box at all; therefore, adding anything would change the original theory and make it to be a new one.
Because you started out with a statement assuming that those who do not believe in the box theory as people who have no real case against it and are simply acting childish to go against it. I was pointing out how you needlessly ridiculed those who may think differently then you and showed you how it was childish to make claims in the first place. And yet again, you are making personal remarks when there is no need.
Then stop.
Sonic Heroes implies at the end of Team Dark's story the Shadow in that game is not the same Shadow from SA2. Basically Heroes had it that the Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow we knew and loved is still dead but Eggman created clones that might be a whole army of loyal Shadow androids and/or DNA clones that would help him take over the world and the Shadow in Heroes is one of those Shadow clones that Rouge and Omega found and released before perhaps Eggman put any loyalty into him.
At this point it comes to having Shadow have an original moveset consisted entirely of what he can do in Shadow the Hedgehog, be an Echo like Sonic, or be a semi clone of Sonic with some of his own moves.
Plus, there was apparently a translation error between "clone" and "robot". Hence "You know about cloning, the original must exist somewhere".
