Social The Suburbs of Onett - Ness Social Thread

[Pazzo.]

Well, Swords of Kings has a stupidly low drop rate, can't remember it exactly now, though.
I know I had to meddle with hex codes to get one for Poo.
I'll tell you though, that it isn't worth farming at all...for all the trouble you have to get it by normal means, the bonus it gives to Poo is pretty "Meh".
He's better off with his fists.

Isn't it terrible that I got it within the first area of Stonehenge Base?

I swear to god the stupidest things happen when I play Smash.

Don't intend to flood this chat with video clips or advertise or anything, but I gotta share these lol (and hell not all of these are with Ness so lol)

- I know Lil' Mac ain't an air fighter but...

- Why to not shield PK Flash 101

- Ness used Rage Boosted PKT2! It's Super Effective! [Greninja Faints, insert "YOU WON!" message from Earthbound]

- No words.

- Lil' Mac MU for me in a nutshell lol

- 7.8/10 too unFair

Hope you enjoyed these. xD

Those were great!

 

[Pazzo.]

Double post. Sry.

 

[Luco]

This place stopped sending me alerts! THE AUDACITY!

I totally forgot about the sword of kings and was sad about not getting it but it didn't end up making much of a difference anyway so yayyy :3

 

[_clinton]

Uhhh I guess add my ID and we can play sometime.

Added, and now changing my profile to show NID as well considering how it slipped my mind.

 

[Earthbound360]

Guys, I've decided that Ness lacks something that a lot of other characters have that he needs. A hype nickname.

Think about it, Diddy gets the Hoo Hah, Falcon gets the infamous knee of justice, and even Mario has the dunk. Why doesn't Ness have a clever nickname for one of his more satisfying moves? We need to be able to shout something when we land an uair, or PKT2 or something.

Like, the uair should be the headbang or something. Or we should be allowed to shout SHAZAM when we land PKT2.
This is actually important.

 

[Noa.]

Guys, I've decided that Ness lacks something that a lot of other characters have that he needs. A hype nickname.

Think about it, Diddy gets the Hoo Hah, Falcon gets the infamous knee of justice, and even Mario has the dunk. Why doesn't Ness have a clever nickname for one of his more satisfying moves? We need to be able to shout something when we land an uair, or PKT2 or something.

Like, the uair should be the headbang or something. Or we should be allowed to shout SHAZAM when we land PKT2.
This is actually important.

I feel like Ness's most iconic moves in this game are:

Bthrow
Dthrow Triple Fair
PK Thunder Juggles
PKT2 kills
uair

I feel like a name for our bthrow mmmmm would be nice.

 

[spiderfreak1011]

Guys, I've decided that Ness lacks something that a lot of other characters have that he needs. A hype nickname.

Think about it, Diddy gets the Hoo Hah, Falcon gets the infamous knee of justice, and even Mario has the dunk. Why doesn't Ness have a clever nickname for one of his more satisfying moves? We need to be able to shout something when we land an uair, or PKT2 or something.

Like, the uair should be the headbang or something. Or we should be allowed to shout SHAZAM when we land PKT2.
This is actually important.

Imma start shouting out SHAZAM whenever i hit with a Thunder Rocket.

But yeah, we should get something for Ness though.

 

[Earthbound360]

I feel like Ness's most iconic moves in this game are:

Bthrow
Dthrow Triple Fair
PK Thunder Juggles
PKT2 kills
uair

I feel like a name for our bthrow mmmmm would be nice.

I was thinking bthrow. Especially since you get that one second where Ness grabs the guy and basically whispers in their ear "you're dead now."
But I can't think of anything that good other than shouting "Take it back now ya'll!" when we grab them lol.

Other than that, dthrow fairs is a good candidate. Luigi's dthrow fair combo is called the $2 slices. We need something like that for Ness.

I don't think PKT juggles are hype enough to warrant a nickname sadly. PKT2 and uair should have something though.

 

[Screk]

So random question how many of you stream besides myself I'm just wondering.

( In before Nakat mentions he does )

 

[Pazzo.]

As for hype name moments, I always say SMAAAAAASSSHHH!!! when I get that confirmed PKT2 K.O.

 

[Earthbound360]

So random question how many of you stream besides myself I'm just wondering.

( In before Nakat mentions he does )

I stream weekly tournaments for the school's Smashfests.

 

[ilysm]

I've heard back-throw called the 'murder throw'. I've always called it PSI Farewell.

 

[ROBnWatch]

I feel like Ness's most iconic moves in this game are:

Bthrow
Dthrow Triple Fair
PK Thunder Juggles
PKT2 kills
uair

I feel like a name for our bthrow mmmmm would be nice.

You can do Down Throw to TRIPLE Fair? I've only been able to land two in a row!!!

I've heard back-throw called the 'murder throw'. I've always called it PSI Farewell.

THAT IS GOOD! I always love throwing them off the edge with Back Throw, just satisfies me.

 

[Noa.]

You can do Down Throw to TRIPLE Fair? I've only been able to land two in a row!!!



THAT IS GOOD! I always love throwing them off the edge with Back Throw, just satisfies me.

Triple fair from a dthrow is hard to do. There are lots of factors to take into consideration; their percent, your rage, their size, their fall speed, staleness of fair, staleness of dthrow, and stage position. Correctly timing your double jump, holding the correcr direction of your control stick, doing a rising or falling fair, all important decisions to make. Each time you dthrow someone you're going to fair combo them differently.

 

[Earthbound360]

While 3 fairs is sometimes a possibility, I find it very rarely lands on good players who know how to DI and the perfect time to dodge. 2 is really the BnB, 3 is a bonus.

 

[ROBnWatch]

Triple fair from a dthrow is hard to do. There are lots of factors to take into consideration; their percent, your rage, their size, their fall speed, staleness of fair, staleness of dthrow, and stage position. Correctly timing your double jump, holding the correcr direction of your control stick, doing a rising or falling fair, all important decisions to make. Each time you dthrow someone you're going to fair combo them differently.

OK good. I really want to step up my Ness play, so I thought "Well, if everyone else can do Down Throw to triple Fair, I must be doing something wrong.".

Also, I know it's pretty bad/lame, but doesn't Ness say something like "Hup." when he uses Uair? Maybe we could start something like that? If not, I know he says something to that extent during one of his aerials...

 

[Earthbound360]

Guys, I'm sticking with the Shazam thing when I land PKT2. It's really fun to just shout that in public XD

 

[Waael]

While 3 fairs is sometimes a possibility, I find it very rarely lands on good players who know how to DI and the perfect time to dodge. 2 is really the BnB, 3 is a bonus.

You know you're playing a good player when you know they can DI out of the 2nd F-air. I don't rely on it as I get higher in a bracket.

Guys, I'm sticking with the Shazam thing when I land PKT2. It's really fun to just shout that in public XD

LOL. When I land a PKT2 Mind game, I always lift my hands up in the air, and the commentators are always like WELL THERES WAAEL DOING HIS THING!

And GUIZ I decided to take a small study break.. I ended up making this D: The truth hurts doesn't it?

 

[Elezir]

LOL. When I land a PKT2 Mind game, I always lift my hands up in the air, and the commentators are always like WELL THERES WAAEL DOING HIS THING!

And GUIZ I decided to take a small study break.. I ended up making this D: The truth hurts doesn't it?

At least he looks better than the Fire emblem crew.

 

[Pazx]

At least he looks better than the Fire emblem crew.

 

[ROBnWatch]

You know you're playing a good player when you know they can DI out of the 2nd F-air. I don't rely on it as I get higher in a bracket.

LOL. When I land a PKT2 Mind game, I always lift my hands up in the air, and the commentators are always like WELL THERES WAAEL DOING HIS THING!

And GUIZ I decided to take a small study break.. I ended up making this D: The truth hurts doesn't it?

GEEZ! Are the amiibos really that bad? Lol, I may reconsider getting any of them...

 

[PKBeam]

It would look much nicer if you 3d printed Ness' SSB4WU model and stuck it onto a Ness amiibo base.
same with almost everyone else.

they're pretty cool but I wouldn't hand over AU15.00 for them. not when I can save up to buy other more useful stuff.

 

[Earthbound360]

Guys I think I found something really nasty >:3

But lemme test it out a bit before I post it. Don't wanna get people's hopes up for nothing.

 

[Waael]

Guys I think I found something really nasty >:3

But lemme test it out a bit before I post it. Don't wanna get people's hopes up for nothing.

!?!? EB360 NOW I CAN'T SLEEP! xD I hope it works out!

 

[PKBeam]

nasty as in break-the-game nasty or nasty as in if-you-pull-this-off-you're-sick nasty?

 

[Pazx]

Guys I think I found something really nasty >:3

But lemme test it out a bit before I post it. Don't wanna get people's hopes up for nothing.

didn't someone make a similar post a week ago with no follow up

dont leave us hanging

 

[Earthbound360]

nasty as in break-the-game nasty or nasty as in if-you-pull-this-off-you're-sick nasty?

Nasty as in potential KO at really low percents.
And if you're referring to me, if I find it's not that useful then I don't dig any deeper into it. No point in spreading useless tech after all.

 

[ilysm]

Out of curiosity, though, what was the theory? I'm all for having ideas open so that people at least might develop and expand off of them.

 

[Earthbound360]

There were possibly 2 theories he could be referring to. I found neither of them to be extremely impactful after long periods of testing though, but here goes anyways.

Earlier I was messing around with dtilt. Dtilt has a 25% chance of tripping, and off the trip you can combo into the bat. As such, using it twice gives you a 50% chance of tripping, which isn't bad. Turns out you can use dtilt twice without ruining the trip because if the first dtilt trips, the second one will go UNDER most characters' trip animations, and if the second dtilt trips, you're easily able to follow it up. Either way, if the first or second dtilt trips, you STILL have time to combo into the bat. While it is possible to shield between the first and second dtilts, it would be a hard reaction for opponents considering how fast dtilt comes out. Dtilt also has very few recovery frames, so it's a bit safer than grab. This dtilt trip into bat combo gives Ness something that he currently lacks: a good method of KOing people in the direction he's facing. However, you have to be FAST with the bat follow up on the trip, so fast that you can't really react to the trip, you've just gotta try it and hope it tripped. Also, nothing changes about dtilt's awful range. Overall, while it seems good on paper, I wasn't able to make too much use out of it, so I didn't really bother mentioning it.

The second one was this PKF turnaround I was playing around with. If you dash at the edge and PKF in the opposite direction RIGHT when you get to the edge, you'll turn around and fall off the stage. I was thinking you could use this to stage spike people who are recovering low since this gets you REALLY close to the stage when you fall off. It also allows you to use fair to stage spike, which is multihit, therefore a bit trickier to tech. What holds this back though is that you have to do it out of a full dash. Most of the time, opponents won't recover below the stage if you are at a dash distance from the edge anyways. I never found a consistent use for this one either.

 

[Waael]

@ Earthbound360 OOO I've done D-Tilt to Bat, If tripping was consistent it would be OP. No wonder I can't do it every time, but I have got it to work and its useful!

Have you tried Pivot D-Tilt into Down Smash? I have a few tournament videos of me doing this to players and it's similar to D-Tilt to Bat!

 

[Earthbound360]

@ Earthbound360 OOO I've done D-Tilt to Bat, If tripping was consistent it would be OP. No wonder I can't do it every time, but I have got it to work and its useful!

Have you tried Pivot D-Tilt into Down Smash? I have a few tournament videos of me doing this to players and it's similar to D-Tilt to Bat!

Pivot dtilt? I need to see this. That sounds really hard lol.

 

[Waael]

Pivot dtilt? I need to see this. That sounds really hard lol.

XD Trust me it isn't, I have a video of a pivot D-Tilt somewhere on YT, but Ill just show you this! Instead of pivoting you can just D-tilt in front of them, (Facing away from them)(Which doesn't make sense since if you d-tilt someone you should always face your opponent. But I abuse everything unique I see, so YEAH! )

Here's an example, I have other videos if you want more! This feels consistent to me since it seems to work a lot when I do it. I personally believe it works the best on Sheik players because I've done it the most on a lot of sheik players offline in tournaments and online.

*Note don't practice this on a non moving character, the character needs to approach or at least move near you for the reversed D-tilt hitbox to hit and make it able to trip them.

 

[Luco]

Good luck EB! I really hope it works out for us :D

In regards to PKT2 I usually go 'BAM!' or something similar and click my fingers because I'm teuretty like that, but I really love the idea of "dearly departed..." when we Bthrow someone.

Also if this, or any other big tech becomes a thing are we fine to share it? I'd like to be able to share it in the competitive impressions thread and the idea of keeping things hidden makes me feel a bit weird - but if you want to keep it a secret for now then I'd respect that too.

 

[_clinton]

When Fsmash hits = SMAAAAAASSSHHH!!!
When landing Bthrow = just give em a second to pause and reflect
When landing PKT2 = I liked Shazam as well actually, a bit more than my idea of lightning hitting twice (it is PKT "2" after all)
If you land Flash = Such and such was Tamed! (because, they aren't gonna put up much of a fight after that!)

 

[Luco]

When Fsmash hits = SMAAAAAASSSHHH!!!
When landing Bthrow = just give em a second to pause and reflect
When landing PKT2 = I liked Shazam as well actually, a bit more than my idea of lightning hitting twice (it is PKT "2" after all)
If you land Flash = Such and such was Tamed! (because, they aren't gonna put up much of a fight after that!)

When I land PK Flash I like to think about that one fantastic scene in SSE where Ness just blows the Porky statue to smithereens and how my opponent is feeling.

Actually, I remember a long time ago how crazy the reactions were when I landed this...

It happens again at 5:20/5:25 or so.

 

[ROBnWatch]

Just yesterday while playing online against a friend I landed a PK Flash on him, so satisfying, especially since I was one stock down. Came back to win it.

When Fsmash hits = SMAAAAAASSSHHH!!!
When landing Bthrow = just give em a second to pause and reflect
When landing PKT2 = I liked Shazam as well actually, a bit more than my idea of lightning hitting twice (it is PKT "2" after all)
If you land Flash = Such and such was Tamed! (because, they aren't gonna put up much of a fight after that!)

These are probably the best I've seen for Ness hype moves and shout-outs afterwards.

Also, I thought PKT2 was when it was used as recovery, not as launching Ness towards opponent...

Anyone seen the glitch Ness can do on Wuhu Island's boat?

 

[Luco]

Just yesterday while playing online against a friend I landed a PK Flash on him, so satisfying, especially since I was one stock down. Came back to win it.



These are probably the best I've seen for Ness hype moves and shout-outs afterwards.

Also, I thought PKT2 was when it was used as recovery, not as launching Ness towards opponent...

Anyone seen the glitch Ness can do on Wuhu Island's boat?

I haven't seen the glitch! :O

As for PKT1 and 2, PKT1 is the PKT bolt itself, PKT2 is when you've used it to hit Ness (in any situation) and he's flying in a given direction. Basically, the difference is whether you choose to aim the bolt into yourself, which obviously you always want to do offstage, so I can understand the confusion. =)

 

[ROBnWatch]

I haven't seen the glitch! :O

As for PKT1 and 2, PKT1 is the PKT bolt itself, PKT2 is when you've used it to hit Ness (in any situation) and he's flying in a given direction. Basically, the difference is whether you choose to aim the bolt into yourself, which obviously you always want to do offstage, so I can understand the confusion. =)

OK thanks for the clear-up. As for the glitch, you need to grab someone on the front part of the boat on Wuhu Island. You need to be on the white side, opponent on the blue end, there's a VERY small frame for this, but if you grab them and d-throw them into where the two colors meet, instant KO. Ness will down throw, shoot only one fire thing at them, and they'll launch either upwards or off the side of the stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dKc7RGU7o

This is also how I finished the match where I landed PK Flash on my friend yesterday...

 

[Earthbound360]

XD Trust me it isn't, I have a video of a pivot D-Tilt somewhere on YT, but Ill just show you this! Instead of pivoting you can just D-tilt in front of them, (Facing away from them)(Which doesn't make sense since if you d-tilt someone you should always face your opponent. But I abuse everything unique I see, so YEAH! )

Here's an example, I have other videos if you want more! This feels consistent to me since it seems to work a lot when I do it. I personally believe it works the best on Sheik players because I've done it the most on a lot of sheik players offline in tournaments and online.

*Note don't practice this on a non moving character, the character needs to approach or at least move near you for the reversed D-tilt hitbox to hit and make it able to trip them.

You'll need to show me the pivot dtilt thing. I didn't even know you could pivot anything other than fsmash/tilt unless you mean perfect pivot, which would be MORE insane to do. Also, doesn't dtilt have pitiful range? I can't imagine getting anyone after a pivot with that.

Good luck EB! I really hope it works out for us :D

In regards to PKT2 I usually go 'BAM!' or something similar and click my fingers because I'm teuretty like that, but I really love the idea of "dearly departed..." when we Bthrow someone.

Also if this, or any other big tech becomes a thing are we fine to share it? I'd like to be able to share it in the competitive impressions thread and the idea of keeping things hidden makes me feel a bit weird - but if you want to keep it a secret for now then I'd respect that too.

It's not that I want to keep it a secret, I just don't want to make people think it's useful until I'm sure it is. But don't worry, I'm going to test it tonight and report it tomorrow at the latest, so you don't have long to wait at all.

OK thanks for the clear-up. As for the glitch, you need to grab someone on the front part of the boat on Wuhu Island. You need to be on the white side, opponent on the blue end, there's a VERY small frame for this, but if you grab them and d-throw them into where the two colors meet, instant KO. Ness will down throw, shoot only one fire thing at them, and they'll launch either upwards or off the side of the stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dKc7RGU7o

This is also how I finished the match where I landed PK Flash on my friend yesterday...

This was the greatest thing ever.

 

[ROBnWatch]

You'll need to show me the pivot dtilt thing. I didn't even know you could pivot anything other than fsmash/tilt unless you mean perfect pivot, which would be MORE insane to do. Also, doesn't dtilt have pitiful range? I can't imagine getting anyone after a pivot with that.



It's not that I want to keep it a secret, I just don't want to make people think it's useful until I'm sure it is. But don't worry, I'm going to test it tonight and report it tomorrow at the latest, so you don't have long to wait at all.



This was the greatest thing ever.

I know, I was laughing pretty hard when I found it too.

As a bonus, Ness is (of course) the only character who can do this, and can do it on any character.