Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
It was just doing it near the edge. Izzy was messing with us.
BTW. I watched that Zamus match. Why did you let a chimp play? XD
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The Sonic Glitch/Tech/Non-obvious move list & Gimp Guide *updated 2/16*
- Thread starter TwinkleToes
- Start date
BTW. I watched that Zamus match. Why did you let a chimp play? XD
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
i think I may have a theory on doing the double spring move.
I was messing around before a wifi match and at one point instead of the air tumbling motion, Snic was in the idle falling stance. I didn't ^B since I wasn't exactly looking for a way to do it at the time. >.<
I was messing around before a wifi match and at one point instead of the air tumbling motion, Snic was in the idle falling stance. I didn't ^B since I wasn't exactly looking for a way to do it at the time. >.<
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
So far I'm convinced that the double air spring is a myth. People that go looking for it are only gonna find footstool jumps.
FrostByte
Smash Lord
This was from the spring thread. You can tell what landing animation is because there's a little puff of smoke when he lands from a spring. If he doesn't land then he won't get his jumps back. I think it happens with Snake too.me said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSOiGOvTzws
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Sonic does not have to land to get his spring back. If that were the case, I would love an explanation as to how I can sometimes dair the spring, then spring afterwards.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
The only cases I've seen of getting the spring back is a hit or landing.
Dairing into it, or the Dair stall, might cause a glitch?
I could most definatly be wrong about this but from personal expierence that's what I've seen.
Dairing into it, or the Dair stall, might cause a glitch?
I could most definatly be wrong about this but from personal expierence that's what I've seen.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Game and Watch as well, actually. It seems to be all characters that can attack out of their Up B. Which, incidently, is all characters whose UpB involves generating an item of sorts.
There aren't any other characters that can attack out of their UpB is there?
Crap, i'm double posting aren't I?
FrostByte
Smash Lord
The only way I've been able to spring twice is by hitting the ground first. Once Sonic is in the spring tumble state, nothing should be able to get him out of it unless interrupted. Only explanation I can think of is moving/tilted platform abnotmailties.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Except I've done it on FD. In fact, that's where it occurs the most. =/
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Post a vid of it.
Any news on this mortar slide technique with sonic? Can he really dash cancel upsmash, I tried so many times the other day.
Any news on this mortar slide technique with sonic? Can he really dash cancel upsmash, I tried so many times the other day.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Yes ma'am. I'll get right on that. If I could do it on command, then I'd just tell you guys how to do it. It's not really necessary for me to defend my credibility, methinks. If I can get it, I'll get it. If not, whatever, we'll figure it out sooner or later.
Dash cancelled usmashes are actually really handy. Especially against Wario, the world's biggest **** to Sonic ever. Kirby, too.
Sonic ~may~ have some slight (liek 1 or 2 frames) invincibility frames on his usmash for the body. I've been beating a lot of really good moves with it lately. It may just have ridiculous priority, though, and a disjointed hitbox at the top. All I know is that I've nommed Kirby's dair with it.
Also, Jiggs' dair can clash cancel with Zelda's usmash. How tight is that?
Dash cancelled usmashes are actually really handy. Especially against Wario, the world's biggest **** to Sonic ever. Kirby, too.
Sonic ~may~ have some slight (liek 1 or 2 frames) invincibility frames on his usmash for the body. I've been beating a lot of really good moves with it lately. It may just have ridiculous priority, though, and a disjointed hitbox at the top. All I know is that I've nommed Kirby's dair with it.
Also, Jiggs' dair can clash cancel with Zelda's usmash. How tight is that?
thumbswayup
Smash Master
ROFL @ ma'am
FrostByte
Smash Lord
This just might be it actually. . I think his Utilt is slightly disjointed too but not sure how much priority it actually has.
Worse news for Sonic.
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
Zeal, why is a dash-cancel up-smash any more useful than a hyphen smash against Wario?
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
Pit
Yoshi
MK
R.O.B
Jiggs
Snake
EDIT: So Zeals finally got the dash cancel down. About time.
memphischains
Smash hhkj'
hes also the only one that can wall kick out of these charactersPit
Yoshi
MK
R.O.B
Jiggs
Snake
EDIT: So Zeals finally got the dash cancel down. About time.
You can go from standing to a sliding Usmash if you DACUsmash rather than a full dash to Usmash...
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
Right, but Sonic runs so fast that I fail to see why you'd need to do that...
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
So the DACUsmash is when you hit dash, then C-down and then up and Z at the same time right?
Or are you talking about the one that's Dash Attack then Upsmash like in Snakedashing?
Or are you talking about the one that's Dash Attack then Upsmash like in Snakedashing?
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
Forgot about the winged characters. But I barely count Yoshi and Jiggs as having an UpB. I should have put the word recovery in there.
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Yoshi gets some height I think.
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
lol true...
True, but a lot of Sonic's running momentum is cancelled when Sonic usmashes. With DAC, Sonic will slide a lot more (assuming Sonic's dashattack is suitable for DAC), resulting in a farther jump with the usmash. That means Sonic can better counter some ground projectiles, and get Wario off his bike without taking some damage.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
It's useful because you don't have to wait to get momentum to jump over stupid crap like his bite (which can shut down Sonic pretty well, otherwise). Just DAC Usmash right next to him, you hop the bite, and he gets 12%
Deathwish238
Smash Apprentice
wtf umm it'll be helpful to show in a video whenever somebody else makes another sonic tutorial vid. and sorry but what does DAC stand for?
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
Edit: lol Nevermind. tomorrow
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
Upon closer inspection, it seems that knocking snake off his cypher is mostly dependent on knock-back power. So nair (initial frames), bair, and homing attack are moves that I've found hugely effective against him.
SonicLucario
Smash Journeyman
I'm confused on the stutter step x2.Can anyone help me?I'm confused on how to do it.
Let me know when you do. I need to learn how to get the DAC timing down with Sonic. I can do it with Link and Snake, but I haven't been able to do it with Sonic yet.
Umby
Smash Master
Smash Forward, Tap Back, C-Stick Forward.
SonicLucario
Smash Journeyman
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
I've been having the same problem as well.
the timing is just so much more different in comparison to Snake's and Link's.
it's quite odd.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
There's almost no timing. Just do it really really really fast.
Deathwish238
Smash Apprentice
ok thanks, nice find i would've never thought you could've done it with sonic who else can do it besides link, snake, falco, and snake? is it that common of a move?
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
I'm pretty sure it is. In fact, I haven't heard of a character not being able to do it...
Browny
Smash Hater
i think G&W cant... thats about it :/
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
I don't think Zamus can either. I could be wrong, so don't quote me on that.
TwinkleToes
Smash Lord
Did anyone else know of the ledge renewal tech? It's where you aerial past a ledge and get your second jump back. I thought it was interesting and I was kind of surprised that no one else here ever mentioned it.
Edit: Hm, been having some problems getting it down. I'm starting to think that it can't be used for much.
Edit: Hm, been having some problems getting it down. I'm starting to think that it can't be used for much.
on invincibility and the f-air spike
:< put the invincibility frame information in the first post. I'm tired of saying things like
"Side b invincibility is only in the initial frames of the hop, with a similar duration/timing to Ike's Eruption super armor"
"Spring invincibility/dodge frames last from the moment Sonic jumps (not while still on the spring) until about a spindash jump height higher than his jumping point."
Also, F-air semispike.
After further testing, I found the conditions (or something close to it) for the F-air semispike:
- Person must be hit somewhere in the space between the spinning hands and the head (lower-front corner of hitbox)
- Needs a specific DI, most likely down DI. (use it against someone who's fastfalling or crouches when hit by aerials?)
- For practicality purposes, needs to be done by the edge, so they don't bounce off the platform >_>
I switched between 'control' and 'stop' CPUs and found that it worked semi consistently when the 'stop' CPU's stayed by the floor during the F-air combo (probably SDI/DI downwards during the hit) while the 'control' CPU got caught by the F-air combo and started floating upwards with me.
:< put the invincibility frame information in the first post. I'm tired of saying things like
"Side b invincibility is only in the initial frames of the hop, with a similar duration/timing to Ike's Eruption super armor"
"Spring invincibility/dodge frames last from the moment Sonic jumps (not while still on the spring) until about a spindash jump height higher than his jumping point."
Also, F-air semispike.
After further testing, I found the conditions (or something close to it) for the F-air semispike:
- Person must be hit somewhere in the space between the spinning hands and the head (lower-front corner of hitbox)
- Needs a specific DI, most likely down DI. (use it against someone who's fastfalling or crouches when hit by aerials?)
- For practicality purposes, needs to be done by the edge, so they don't bounce off the platform >_>
I switched between 'control' and 'stop' CPUs and found that it worked semi consistently when the 'stop' CPU's stayed by the floor during the F-air combo (probably SDI/DI downwards during the hit) while the 'control' CPU got caught by the F-air combo and started floating upwards with me.