The Solid Snake for Smash DLC thread! Such a lust for Smash news....WHOOOOOOOO?

[Katty Shepherd]

I dislike Sutherland's voice for Snake because he just sounds like Jack Bauer. I'd much rather they just use Hayter for both.

I got used to Sutherland while playing Ground Zero so I can't really say much, it sounds different but it isn't bad.
For an alt they should also use the Metal Gear Solid sneaking suit.

 

[cmbsfm]

plissken anyone

 

[Katty Shepherd]

plissken anyone

Plissken.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Weird*** voice guy here.

For the record, there's a difference between "being against Snake returning" and not thinking he will return. The former is patently false; the latter is something we have stated.

Question for you my friend, what do you think of the probability of the Sal leak as of late?
I'm not sure if you have a video on this subject yet, but I have seen your Palutena leak video.
Also I agree with @HylianHeroBigBoss in that, I would like to see a video on the probability of Snake as of late.
I also recomend looking through some pages here for reasons he could still be in if you, yourself, choose to do the Snake video.

 

[Tikivoy]

While I like Sutherlands voice, and think it fits MGSV perfectly, I don't know about having him voice Snake in Smash Bros. Hayter had this fictional tone to him, while Sutherland is completely serious, much like MGSV is.

...maybe not the best way to describe it, but most probably get what I mean. Basically I think Hayter's voice fits the role of Smash Bros. better.

...now that I think of it, imagine if Big Boss joined with his Phantom Pain look. Yes, including the shrapnel horn.

 

[Aerobatics]

plissken anyone

Dude, pretty sure this topic is about SNAKE, not some dude named Plissken.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

Dude, pretty sure this topic is about SNAKE, not some dude named Plissken.

Dude, Plissken is Snake.
Plissken is a disguise Snake put on in MGS 2 so he could help Raiden while everyone thought he was dead. That is literally Snake in a screwed up Navy Seal uniform without his bandanna.

 

[Twin Shot]

Youtube link to GameXplain is:

https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplain

They have great videos and theories on Smash (along with weird voices =p ) and update it frequently, so check them out.
They discuss Snake in a few of their videos.
I am not certain which specific ones talk about Snake, however. The most recent was one of them talking about Ray-Man I believe.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

Youtube link to GameXplain is:

https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplain

They have great videos and theories on Smash (along with weird voices =p ) and update it frequently, so check them out.
They discuss Snake in a few of their videos.
I am not certain which specific ones talk about Snake, however. The most recent was one of them talking about Ray-Man I believe.

Thanks for sharing that I'll go check out and see what they have to offer.

 

[cmbsfm]

Is it a good idea to play portable ops without playing mgs3? I have gotten a hold of copies of peace walker and potable ops but not mgs3. I plan on getting it when I get a 3ds.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Dude, Plissken is Snake.
Plissken is a disguise Snake put on in MGS 2 so he could help Raiden while everyone thought he was dead. That is literally Snake in a screwed up Navy Seal uniform without his bandanna.

Pretty sure he was joking but...

Is it a good idea to play portable ops without playing mgs3? I have gotten a hold of copies of peace walker and potable ops but not mgs3. I plan on getting it when I get a 3ds.

It's pretty easy to pick up on the story in both games if you don't mind being spoiled in Peace Walker.
So yeah if you don't want spoilers don't play them till after MGS3 if not then play away.

 

[cmbsfm]

Pretty sure he was joking but...

It's pretty easy to pick up on the story in both games if you don't mind being spoiled in Peace Walker.
So yeah if you don't want spoilers don't play them till after MGS3 if not then play away.

I won't play peace walker without beating mgs3, I might play portable ops. I heard portable ops wasn't necessary to know about mgsv but I guess I will play it anyway.

 

[Tikivoy]

I won't play peace walker without beating mgs3, I might play portable ops. I heard portable ops wasn't necessary to know about mgsv but I guess I will play it anyway.

Portable Ops still spoils the ending of MGS3.
...Though Naked Snake's Brawl trophy did too. So if you already know the base of what happened at the end of the Snake Eater mission, feel free to play MPO I say.

 

[Zyfoe]

(anyone else want Senator Armstrong as a boss/trophy?)

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

(anyone else want Senator Armstrong as a boss/trophy?)

As long as "It has to be this way" is in I'm down for anything Armstrong related.

 

[cmbsfm]

The argument "snake doesn't fit in smash" is getting just as absurd as "ridley's too big." now.

 

[Twin Shot]

Portable Ops is debatable in it's cannon in the MGS Continuity.

Essentially, I view it as a side story. Not necessary, but still fun and provides a little bit of background of what happened between MGS3 and PW.

PW is a huge step up, though.

I think the most common arguments against Snake are that "he doesn't fit" and that Kojima said he doesn't think Snake is in the game.

I think Snake fits in, especially with some of the more realistic characters. Also, seems everyone omits the fact that Sega, Namco and Capcom said the same exact thing about their respective characters..but then go ahead count it against Snake. This is why my logic leans more so towards "they just don't want him back" vs "they don't think he will be back"

At least super meat boy has a chance! XD

 

[Spinosaurus]

(anyone else want Senator Armstrong as a boss/trophy?)

Only if we get his theme song as well.

 

[Tikivoy]

The argument "snake doesn't fit in smash" is getting just as absurd as "ridley's too big." now.

I believe the newest meme going around is Captain Toad's "Captain Toad can't jump."

To expand on the "fitting in" thing: This is a crossover. Its never about fitting in. Just look at Battle Royale.

Spoiler

A fat princess, a murdering spartan, a sadistic clown and a rapping piece of paper?

If Nintendo made a new, popular M rated IP staring a guy who uses guns and explosives, that guy would get into Smash. Its a dumb argument for this type of game, for sure.
That said, I also disagree on Snake not fitting in..because he does.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I believe the newest meme going around is Captain Toad's "Captain Toad can't jump."

To expand on the "fitting in" thing: This is a crossover. Its never about fitting in. Just look at Battle Royale.

Spoiler

A fat princess, a murdering spartan, a sadistic clown and a rapping piece of paper?

If Nintendo made a new, popular M rated IP staring a guy who uses guns and explosives, that guy would get into Smash. Its a dumb argument for this type of game, for sure.
That said, I also disagree on Snake not fitting in..because he does.

Not fitting in is what Smash is about Mario doesn't fit in Zelda, Sonic doesn't fit in Metroid, but all of them fit in one game.
That's why Smash was made to make things that don't fit, fit.

 

[Spinosaurus]

To be fair, Playstation Battle Royale has pretty bad art direction. The characters could fit in with each other, but the problem here is that there's barely any effort in making it seem that way. That's why everyone goes so well together in Smash.

Snake fits in as much as Sheik and Zero Suit Samus do.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

To be fair, Playstation Battle Royale has pretty bad art direction. The characters could fit in with each other, but the problem here is that there's barely any effort in making it seem that way. That's why everyone goes so well together in Smash.

Snake fits in as much as Sheik and Zero Suit Samus do.

Also Playstation All-stars also lends to my theory that the licensing for Snake is still on to appear in Smash Bros.
I mean really do you think they would have picked Raiden if the licensing for Snake was finished for Smash?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Also Playstation All-stars also lends to my theory that the licensing for Snake is still on to appear in Smash Bros.
I mean really do you think they would have picked Raiden if the licensing for Snake was finished for Smash?

Think that was more due to Konami just using the game as promotion for Metal Gear Rising than anything else.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Think that was more due to Konami just using the game as promotion for Metal Gear Rising than anything else.

True.
That game is a big advertisement.
But it still lends to the fact that Snake who is very prominent on Sony systems wasn't in it, he is however in Smash Bros.

 

[Twin Shot]

I'd go for Captain Toad. My only concern with that is that the game may have been released too late into Smashes Dev. Will be honest though, not sure when 3D world entered development, so Sakurai Could have already had the heads up on this.There's always DLC though if this is the case. Would be great to have all the Mario Kart 64 Reps make it into smash (regular Toads as alt costumes)

Snakes position is the same as it is in Smash Brawl.

Had a recent game on a Nintendo System (Twin Snakes) and an upcoming one for PS3 (MGS4).
He just had a game on the Nintendo System (MGS3DS) and one for the other consoles (MGSV).

Having him the game promotes Nintendo and Konami, the same way as it did before. This is also why I think Big Boss will be the "Snake" this time around. Who knows, could be the reason he has yet to be revealed.

First Third Party Reveal Last Game, Last Third Party Reveal the Current.

 

[Spinosaurus]

First Third Party Reveal Last Game, Last Third Party Reveal the Current.

This happened with Sheik. First newcomer in Melee, last (not secret) veteran in Brawl.

 

[Decoy 0ctopus]

Weird*** voice guy here.

For the record, there's a difference between "being against Snake returning" and not thinking he will return. The former is patently false; the latter is something we have stated.

...

Lies.

I am Andre from GameXplain...Sometimes I even go by Andre 3000.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

I think many of the people who say that Snake doesn't fit in Smash have clearly never played a Metal Gear game. Sure he's a grizzled professional soldier, but in many ways, he's a parody or pastiche of that archetype, and he has loads more personality than the generic army men so common in a lot of games these days. Furthermore, Metal Gear Solid is a big reason why that archetype became such a popular one for game protagonists in the first place, making Snake not just a grizzled professional soldier, but THE grizzled professional soldier. The fact that his character became the model for so many other protagonists just goes to show that he's one of the most iconic video game characters of all time, period. Absolutely on par with Mario, Sonic, Megaman, and Pac-Man. He's consistently appeared in popularity polls ranked near and often above iconic Nintendo characters like Link and Mario, in both Japan and the US. His series has moved the medium forward time and time again in terms of what's possible from both a storytelling and gameplay perspective. He certainly owes a lot to Hollywood action heroes, but no more than Link owes a lot to fantasy protagonists or Captain Falcon owes a lot to Super Sentai shows.

I also get the sense that a lot of people who aren't very familiar with the series or character outside of Brawl think that the Metal Gear games are just straight-faced military themed games, not realizing that the Metal Gear series is just as goofy and eccentric as Mario and Zelda, if not more so in many cases. Sure, it deals with some mature subject matter, and has a particularly nuanced take on the nature of war, but always alongside robot ninjas and recurring characters whose primary trait is chronic diarrhea. Even the latest grimdark Keifer Sutherland voiced outing, despite incorporating themes of torture, war ****, mutilation, child soldiers, and how revenge slowly corrupts those who seek it at any cost, nonetheless features a mechanic where you can abduct wild animals using a helium balloon, and horses that **** at random intervals while you ride them. The major antagonist's name is "Skull Face". The plot still prominently features a giant mech that shoots nukes. You know, the ridiculous and contrived anime-esque plot point that the entire series is named after. The silly and over the top elements of the series easily outnumber the more serious aspects. Even in its darkest entries, Metal Gear maintains a tone and atmosphere that keeps it lighthearted and fun. It's a comic book version of the real world. And while this "real world" setting makes its themes hit a bit closer to home, I don't think any of the themes themselves (at least before MGSV) are really that much darker than similar themes that Metroid or Fire Emblem have explored.

I think Snake fits perfectly. He brings something totally unique to the table in terms of his design, but in a way that complements the other characters rather than feeling totally jarring, at least in my opinion, and he hails from a series that is just as "Nintendo-esque" as Megaman or Sonic when examined closely. Sure, he's a realistic human, but so are a number of other Smash characters who never get accused of being out of place. This is also a series that features character diversity as one of its greatest strengths, and saying a character feels "out of place" in a game where that's kind of the entire point just feels like a meaningless justification for not liking the character. Does Game and Watch feel out of place? Do Miis? Everyone is out of place. This is a crossover fighting game.

 

[Twin Shot]

I think many of the people who say that Snake doesn't fit in Smash have clearly never played a Metal Gear game. Sure he's a grizzled professional soldier, but in many ways, he's a parody or pastiche of that archetype, and he has loads more personality than the generic army men so common in a lot of games these days. Furthermore, Metal Gear Solid is a big reason why that archetype became such a popular one for game protagonists in the first place, making Snake not just a grizzled professional soldier, but THE grizzled professional soldier. The fact that his character became the model for so many other protagonists just goes to show that he's one of the most iconic video game characters of all time, period. Absolutely on par with Mario, Sonic, Megaman, and Pac-Man. He's consistently appeared in popularity polls ranked near and often above iconic Nintendo characters like Link and Mario, in both Japan and the US. His series has moved the medium forward time and time again in terms of what's possible from both a storytelling and gameplay perspective. He certainly owes a lot to Hollywood action heroes, but no more than Link owes a lot to fantasy protagonists or Captain Falcon owes a lot to Super Sentai shows.

I also get the sense that a lot of people who aren't very familiar with the series or character outside of Brawl think that the Metal Gear games are just straight-faced military themed games, not realizing that the Metal Gear series is just as goofy and eccentric as Mario and Zelda, if not more so in many cases. Sure, it deals with some mature subject matter, and has a particularly nuanced take on the nature of war, but always alongside robot ninjas and recurring characters whose primary trait is chronic diarrhea. Even the latest grimdark Keifer Sutherland voiced outing, despite incorporating themes of torture, war ****, mutilation, child soldiers, and how revenge slowly corrupts those who seek it at any cost, nonetheless features a mechanic where you can abduct wild animals using a helium balloon, and horses that **** at random intervals while you ride them. The major antagonist's name is "Skull Face". The plot still prominently features a giant mech that shoots nukes. The silly and over the top elements of the series easily outnumber the more serious aspects. Even in its darkest entries, Metal Gear maintains a tone and atmosphere that keeps it lighthearted and fun. It's a comic book version of the real world. And while this "real world" setting makes its themes hit a bit closer to home, I don't think any of the themes themselves (at least before MGSV) are really that much darker than similar themes that Metroid or Fire Emblem have explored.

I think Snake fits perfectly. He brings something totally unique to the table in terms of his design, but in a way that complements the other characters rather than feeling totally jarring, at least in my opinion, and he hails from a series that is just as "Nintendo-esque" as Megaman or Sonic when examined closely. Sure, he's a realistic human, but so are a number of other Smash characters who never get accused of being out of place. This is also a series that features character diversity as one of its greatest strengths, and saying a character feels "out of place" in a game where that's kind of the entire point just feels like a meaningless justification for not liking the character. Does Game and Watch feel out of place? Do Miis? Everyone is out of place. This is a crossover fighting game.

Well said my friend, well said.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Captain Falcon owes a lot to Super Sentai shows.

Actually, Captain Falcon is heavily inspired by western comic book heroes. His entire character is depicted that way in F-Zero. It's just in Smash that he's a tokusatsu hero for some reason.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

Actually, Captain Falcon is heavily inspired by western comic book heroes. His entire character is depicted that way in F-Zero. It's just in Smash that he's a tokusatsu hero for some reason.

Well, either way, Snake may be derivative, but if you're going to hold that against him, you have to hold it against pretty much every other character in the game. Even Mario was originally based on Popeye.

And I think Captain Falcon became that way in Smash so that the only completed moveset from the Dragon King prototype could be carried over through his character.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Well, either way, Snake may be derivative, but if you're going to hold that against him, you have to hold it against pretty much every other character in the game. Even Mario was originally modeled on Popeye.

Oh I'm not holding anything against him. Just saying that Captain Falcon barely has any Sentai/Power Ranger influences in F-Zero.

Fake edit: But then again, I just realized you're not referring to me. lol

 

[leprechaunlink727]

On a more fun note, here would be my picks for possible alts, assuming Snake returns with his Brawl look:
Old Snake:

Spoiler

MGS1 Snake:

Spoiler

Tuxedo:

Spoiler

Iroquois Plissken:

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Tiger Stripe Camo (Both eyes intact):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Soviet Sneaking Suit (With Eyepatch):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Naked Camo and Zombie Facepaint (Manliest possible costume):

Spoiler

+

Naked Snake in Green Beret uniform:

Spoiler

Big Boss with Peace Walker Battle Dress:

Spoiler

Old Big Boss with Trenchcoat (MGS4/ Original Games):

Spoiler

Generic MSF Soldier (Essentially just Snake wearing a Balaclava):

Spoiler

In my magical dream world where Snake gets a gender swap alt for no reason, playing as The Boss would also be very, very cool. That would be some neat DLC or something.

Spoiler

I'd also like to see some facepaints incorporated into his regular palette swaps. Preferably the weirder ones like Kabuki or Zombie or USA. But I guess some woodland facepaint would be just fine. This would be pretty easy for them to do. In fact, I've done it myself with Brawl Mods.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

On a more fun note, here would be my picks for possible alts, assuming Snake returns with his Brawl look:
Old Snake:

Spoiler

MGS1 Snake:

Spoiler

Tuxedo:

Spoiler

Iroquois Plissken:

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Tiger Stripe Camo (Both eyes intact):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Soviet Sneaking Suit (With Eyepatch):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Naked Camo and Zombie Facepaint (Manliest possible costume):

Spoiler

+

Naked Snake in Green Beret uniform:

Spoiler

Big Boss with Peace Walker Battle Dress:

Spoiler

Old Big Boss with Trenchcoat (MGS4/ Original Games):

Spoiler

Generic MSF Soldier (Essentially just Snake wearing a Balaclava):

Spoiler

In my magical dream world where Snake gets a gender swap alt for no reason, playing as The Boss would also be very, very cool. That would be some neat DLC or something.

Spoiler

I'd also like to see some facepaints incorporated into his regular palette swaps. Preferably the weirder ones like Kabuki or Zombie or USA. But I guess some woodland facepaint would be just fine. This would be pretty easy for them to do. In fact, I've done it myself with Brawl Mods.

I'm thinking that Old Snake and The Big Boss with sneaking suit is our best bet for costumes.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

On a more fun note, here would be my picks for possible alts, assuming Snake returns with his Brawl look:
Old Snake:

Spoiler

MGS1 Snake:

Spoiler

Tuxedo:

Spoiler

Iroquois Plissken:

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Tiger Stripe Camo (Both eyes intact):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Soviet Sneaking Suit (With Eyepatch):

Spoiler

Naked Snake with Naked Camo and Zombie Facepaint (Manliest possible costume):

Spoiler

+

Naked Snake in Green Beret uniform:

Spoiler

Big Boss with Peace Walker Battle Dress:

Spoiler

Old Big Boss with Trenchcoat (MGS4/ Original Games):

Spoiler

Generic MSF Soldier (Essentially just Snake wearing a Balaclava):

Spoiler

In my magical dream world where Snake gets a gender swap alt for no reason, playing as The Boss would also be very, very cool. That would be some neat DLC or something.

Spoiler

I'd also like to see some facepaints incorporated into his regular palette swaps. Preferably the weirder ones like Kabuki or Zombie or USA. But I guess some woodland facepaint would be just fine. This would be pretty easy for them to do. In fact, I've done it myself with Brawl Mods.

I want all of them!
Every one!
Plus one with Snake shirtless...
Wait a minute...

No.
BB what are you doing?!
NO!!
Jesus f***ing s*** why?!
That's not how you salute you dummy!
You're not shading your eyes on a sunny day! You're saluting! What disgrace s*** of a salute is that?!
When you salute in America. You're arm is perfectly straight, the tips of your right hand fingers barely brushes the side of your brow, your left hand is by your side on the seam of your trousers, and fingers arranged like your gripping a role of quarters. Your heels are together, toes facing apart at a 45 degree angle. You salute from attention, not freaking parade rest! This is breaking so may rules I just... no.
Naturally there's some variation, you can salute while walking, while in a car, etc. But I'm 99% sure that is 100% incorrect.

 

[Twin Shot]

"There's something my best friend said to me once: We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing I was Good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in."

 

[Spinosaurus]

I'm honestly more concerned about where his elbow went.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

"There's something my best friend said to me once: We're not tools of the government or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing I was Good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in."

I think I'm going to cry... sniff.

 

[Skyfox2000]

How to you think Konami would react if Snake's not in SSBU/3DS.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Sakurai. We're not tools of Nintendo or Konami, or anyone else. Fighting in Super Smash Bros was the only... the only thing I was good at. But... at least I always fought for what I believed in. Fighting against the other legendary Nintendo and Third Party Characters!