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[Hadokeyblade]

They gave Nigel a frog move, clearly basing it off his "I'm frogging" quote from the third Rugrats movie.

I'm going to main the **** out of Nigel.

 

[TheMightyP]

Also, I may just be blind, but Pokemon Legends Arceus looks visually better in the new screenshots? Maybe?

 

[dezeray112]

Watching video walkthroughs of the good old Mario Golf 64 made me wish they would bring some of their original characters to Super Rush.

Let's say if you were to bring a couple of these characters to Super Rush, who would you want? Here is the list:

Mario Golf 64:

• Plum
• Charlie
• Sonny
• Harry
• Maple

Mario Golf GB & Advance:

• Kid
• Joe
• Sherry
• Azalea
• Gene Yuss
• Grace
• Putts
• Tiny
• Neil
• Ella

 

[BlondeLombax]

Also, I may just be blind, but Pokemon Legends Arceus looks visually better in the new screenshots? Maybe?

So you too have realized the true meaning if “Game footage not final,” eh?

 

[DerpingPikachu]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

I doubt itll happen at this point.

But like, it's in my name. I would be hyped for this.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

Wasn’t that one proven to be fake?

 

[Deleted member]

A poor innocent Soul: "Oh man, can't wait to dive into XC2 at last with the Nintendo Switch Oled!"

 

[dezeray112]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

Still going to take it with a grain of salt. But I'd be OK with this choice.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Noipoi , Shroob , Jondolio , Freezerburn , TheCJBrine , @UserGoozer

Alright you bunch of clowns, lemme get it that straight that it's going to be a big ass L O N G post, so you better get your Susie Wide Size Brain ready & have also alot of free time too. You don't have to read it in one sitting, but it be lengthy, really lenghthy. so lenghty I might to check it again later when I'm less tired, mostly because i'm bad at sharing my thoughts.

Know too that's just a theory, A GAME - you get the point. While I did alot of fact & check, not everything I say here is totally 100% unbiased, so keep that in mind. (lots of typo & errors are going to be here due to being titanic in lenght, so be aware)

That all said & done, let's have a some music to set up the mood, shall we?

Here we freakin' go.

Spoiler: Big Ass Deltarune Theory, Spoilers EVERYWHERE - except Weird Route

Let me start off this mess by a statement:

I don't think Kris is The Knight, the end of Chapter 2 is a red herring to make us think it is him.

"But Metal!", I hear you say, "Isn't what we been shown about Kris making a Dark Fountain in their home with a knife match The Knight actions of making The Cyber World's Dark Fountain using a knife?"

Yes, it does match, and honestly, I wouldn't blame anyone for putting the two together, I did it myself too.

But that's the thing: we only see Kris making a Dark Fountain after the Queen explain to us precisely who can do it & how to do it.

The 3 Dark Fountains before it were all made off screen, and while some theorize thar Kris did make The Cyber World Dark Fountain between chapter while soulesse, my question is: how the hell did this little gremlin entered the library at night, without breaking any windows or at least without 1 single trace of his presence?

I know Kris is a prankster & as been around te town for a while, but it seem mighty sus that he managed to do such a good job while soulesse AKA when he seem like he can barely move around like a zombie, without a soul to power him up, so to speak.

Plus, when Susie & Kris go into the school to find chalks in Chapter 1, Kris seem to be quite surprised by the mysterious & ominious door that once was the Closet. If he did make this one (and the other one in the old classroom), why wouldn't he shrug it off? To keep up appareance? They already got the reputation of a lonely weirdo! It wouldn't be that out of character for them.

Not only that, but no one in the two Dark World we seen ,seem to recognize them beside Ralsei (who know much, MUCH more than he let on). The Queen as the excuse of the fog, and it's hard to tell if The King did met the Knight or not judging by his dialogue. (He is very eager to beat up Kris though) But what about Spamton & Jevil? Those two know alot about the world than most, even causing both of them to be insane, and both of them does mention The Knight, yet no comment on Kris reminding them of someone. Spamton is much more interested in Kris's Soul & freeing them of their strings (in his....very special way) than anything, and Jevil talk as if The Knight will be someone the party will have to fight. Which considering how his post-violence battle quote mention the Queen & The Roaring ("AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS "). Lead me to think that The Knight will be a separate person altogether rather than a member from our party.

Finally, for Kris reason making the fountain in his home - despite Ralsei explaining how it be a VERY BAD IDEA if too many of them are made - , I got some guess:

1) A common theory I saw is thar Kris really want Undyne & the police in general to take the Dark World stuff seriously, yet everytime he mention it, Undyne just laugh at their face & doesn't take it seriously in the slightest. Now, remember at how Kris cut the tires, causing Toriel to call the police to come at their house & then leaving the door open for anyone to walk in?

2) While he did cut the tires before talking with her, Susie talking with them about how cool it be to have Lancer, Ralsei & all of their dark friends basically interact with peoples they know in the Light World, might have pushed them to go for it even more than before. As while they don't show it as much as Susie, it seem like her, to a extent, Kris does enjoy the whacky adventure that the Dark World offer. Beside us causing them to keep interacting with shady peoples like Spamton after he was cleary shown to be NOT trustworthy or fight the devil that Jevil, or worse, then really, there is no reason to stop said whacky adventure now & bring more Lightners into the mix whiel they are it, especially since their first visit caused Susie & Kris to become best pal, and Berdly & Noelle to be more or less cool with them than before. So why not do it with Toriel & Undyne/Napstablook & see what happen?

All of this lead to my final point for this party of theory: Kris ain't evil.

Yes, the're a lonely weirdo who like pranks a little too much and there's definitly something wrong with them (you don't just rip out your soul and walk around like a zombie without a reason as to why), but I don't think they're evil to the core. While they only becames friends for two days, Kris seem to really cherish their friendship with Susie (easiest exemple is Susie & Ralsei reaction to Kris drinking Susie Tea), and to a lesser extent Noelle despite whatever caused them to grow apart in the past. (They gain like 70 HP from her tea, which isn't alot, but it's still better than Kris drinking Ralsei Tea, at 60 HP). Kris still really care for their brother Asriel & to a lesser but still strong exemple, their mom Toriel (it's hard to tell in Asgore case), and while their life have been miserable since whatever happened with Dess that caused her family to interact less with the Dreemurr, Asgore & Toriel Divorce, Asriel lefting the house to go to college & them becoming essentialy a puppet for our needs (which they REALLY don't seem to like at all), I don't think they're at such a point of despair that the end of both the Light & Dark World seem like a better alternative to them, at least at this point in time. (Note that I think Ralsei say the truth when it come to the Titans, notably thanks to Jevil remark & the weird valley you go around with the eyes when you first enter the Dark World)

Whatever reason they opened the fountain at the end of Chapter 2, it's probably for reasons that are much more personal, and there's nothing to say that will keep doing this in future chapter

BRIEF, now that I went all over why Kris isn't the Knight, you might be like,
"But Metal! You Handsome Devil! If this isn't Kris who is the Knight, then who it might be?"

Well, long story short:

Yeah, you thought that music I choosed was just for funsie? AH, YOU THOUGHT.

For real, I honestly think that, atm, the human vessel we made at the start of the game is gonna be the Knight, who is under the influence/control of Gaster, just like every other Goner you meet in Undertale. (That, or Kris is a vessel, but he isn't aware of it)

Now, here's the thing,some folks, including me once, kinda meme on that everything weird related to UT/DR is related to Gaster. 'cuz it's easy to blame funny egg head man for any pickles that fall on the floor at 4 am.

Thing is though, in Deltarune, I truly believe that Gaster as some sort of major role in all of this mess. From Toby twitter account being hacked by someone who talk like him IN ALL CAPS (note that the first voice in Goner Maker (as it's know in the game file) also speak like him AND IN ALL CAPS), to the various theme in DR who sound really similar to Gaster Theme (especially Another Him, which even reference the name of the file for Gaster Theme, know simply as "him"), to all the easter eggs who reference either Gaster or his followers. (The Man Behind The Tree, the garbage noises on the phone in the dark world that sound exactly like Entry 17, the bird looking dude in the library who was a follower in UT we never seen it's normal form, etc..) Gaster presence is hidden, but can still be felt all over the place if you know where to look.

What's tricky though is that Gaster both exist...and he doesn't, he is both everywhere & nowhere, he has been shattered across time & space, and while he wasn't retcon in UT in-universe, as shown by his follower remembering him. He seemingly doesn't have a physical form anymore. (The Mystery Man sprite hasn't been confirm to be Gaster, in fact, Toby went out of his way to remove him from marchandise who use the Mystery Man design, for unknown reasons) And I think that explain why he is refered by various vague terms by the character & even us (The Man Behind The Tree by Kris, Someone by Seam/Spamton old friends, whoever name you gave the voice in the intro, etc..)


All of this lead me to believe that Gaster is basically forced to use proxy to do whatever the heck he want. He can apparear in some sort of forms to interact with others and/or even to talk to them, but due to being basically a glitch in the matrix, he himself can't stay too long in one place. Again, he is everywhere & nowhere, that kind of **** isn't very helpful in the long term of whatever plans he as for us & the world of Deltarune.

So to remedy this, Gaster use various "vessels" to share with us knoweldge only he know.

After all, while you could say those 3 chuckleshead may have remembered Gaster from when he was still alive.

The fact that Goner Kid (not pictured here) look way too young to have lived back when Gaster existed, and mroe importantly, that with Mystery Man, all of Gaster Follower were once impossible to meet unless you tweaked the "Fun" value to "fun" (or some **** like that, can't remember exactly) until a update did exactly that and made them possible to rarely encounter them if you were lucky while starting the game/ doing a new game +, which tells to me that all of them are to a extent, are closely linked to Gaster. (Hell, the dude in the middle even say he has a piece of Gaster, before being Thanos'd out of existence)

That isn't how to go that all of them share their appareance with a NPC you encounter normally in the game. (The third one had to wait DR for that, but we did get it!) And that Clam Girl, in the Switch version, transform right in front of our eyes into a Goner. (of note, she talked about a certain Suzy, that we will one day/soon meet, the player)

Oh and, what do you know, all the follower we meet in UT have now apparead in DR in their normal form at least once, with the only exception being The Mystery Man.

Brief, whatever they know/want it or not, they're all "pawns" for Gaster to use in whatever way he see fit. In UT, their appareance probably happened so that Gaster could make peoples outside of the game know about his existence & get a "connection". (see the dialogue below)

THANK YOU FOR WAITING SO LONG.
AFTER ALL YOU AND I, WE HAVE BOTH BEEN WAITING SUCH A VERY LONG TIME.
SO TO BE HERE FINALLY ON THE VERGE OF CONNECTION
IS QUITE EXCITING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CREATING A NEW FUTURE WITH YOU.
NOW ! SHOW YOURSELF ! DELTARUNE !
—An unknown entity before commencing the "connection" at the beginning of the game.

HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN.
ONCE MORE I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES.
YOU HAVE DONE EXCELLENTLY TO PERSEVERE.
DELTARUNE GLOWS BRIGHTLY FROM YOUR HOPE.
NOW. SHALL WE ? SHALL WE GO AGAIN ?
THE SECOND FIELD. THE SECOND CONNECTION.
—An unknown entity unveils the release of Chapter 2.



'cuz while he wasn't erased from history in UT, with time, most monsters forgot his existence, and without anyone to remember him, he basically was unable to "contact" anyone for whatever he had planned. Thanks to us crazy Undertale fans though, Gaster names is now widly know in our worlds, and thus he can continue the next step of his master plan.

Now in DR, Gaster as been showing his presence in various small way as talked before, not showing his followers & staying hidden in the shadow. One thing I didn't mention until now though is his relation to Jevil & Spamton. Both of them one day meet a certain "Someone" who shared with them a knowedege so great, that it ended up causing both of them to turn insane & become obsess with the concept of "freedom". (Jevil believe he is the only one free 'cuz he know he is in a game, Spamton life as been ruined by being manipulated like a puppet, and now he want to be free)

Manipulated like a puppet, eh? By a mysterious force that can be barely comprehed from their persective?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder who fit that description? Oh right

GASTER...AND THE PLAYER TOO.

See, whatever we like it or not, we too are a sort of great voice from beyond the depth that can make peoples do things they wouldn't always want to do if they had a choice in the matter. ("your choices don't matter in this world") While I won't talk about the Weird Route here, those who have played know what i'm talking about, and even in the normal route, Kris is cleary unhappy to a extent with our control over them. One good exemple is them being unable to play the piano well despite being very good at it, even getting pissed at Susie for mocking them if you try to play the piano in the hospital in Chapter 2.

While we aren't to the same level as Gaster, we're still the closest being that can rivalize Gaster manipulation over the world of UT/DR, we might only have a few "vessels" to control to a more or less limited extent, but we still have our "pawns" in this game to control & eventually "win" the game with. And you know what has "pawns" in it? Right, Chess, and what would be a good game of chess, if both players didn't have atleast, say, some pawns, a King, a Queen, a Knight? (Note that Ralsei is a prince, Susie is a poweful girl & quite in control, and Kris wear armor & a sword/shield that kind make him look like a knight)

Queen & King, whatever they knew how the fountain work or not, still ended up serving Gaster's little expirement/game, but since they're both "important" character in the Dark World, Gaster couldn't directly contact them without his presence being too well know. So to remedy this, Gaster used the Knight as a proxy of sort. A proxy able to create Fountain, which only Lightners can make with enough Determination.

You know what kind of being is filled with Determination if you remember Undertale? That's right, Humans.

Remember the knife Queen shown that created her Dark World? Look quite Human, isn't it?

Remember the vessel we made and was apparantly discarded (kinda like the Trash Machine in chapter 1, only to reapparaer with a big role in Chapter 2?) by the other voice? (which is a whole mess I won't thankfully go here) What did they look like? Ah yeah, That's ****ing right, A HUMAN.

Now, there might a possibility that Gaster is also actually using Kris while they aren't aware to do weird stuff behind our back, but as of now, I subscribe to the theory that The Knight is a human vessel/goner that we made that, altought not used by us, the player, was taken back by Gaster to further manipulate the Dark World while also fooling us into thinking that Kris himself is The Knight. Which to a extent, is true, but Kris isn't our enemy, and whatever the vessel we made is happy with us or their existence or not, like all Gaster Follower/Goner before it, they're now one of Gaster many pawns, and the world of Deltarune is basically a game between us & Gaster who, whatever our choices actually matter in the end or not, both party are going to see it through the end. Whatever it's for good, evil, or just because we can, we won't stop til we reach the end of this experiment given to us by Gaster, and if we have to do a little controlling along the way, then so be it. We're ****ing gamers boyz, we ain't going to stop this game til we get our reward!....even if it cause suffering a long the way.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, at long last..............

We finally reached the end of this monster of a theory.

Now, again, if you somehow made it through all this insanity. Know there's still alot of stuff I didn't cover, like The Titans, The Bunker, Ralsei knowing ALOT for someone who was just born a day ago (lots of hints lead to believe he know the player, and that he may be linked to Gaster too, or the boat dude from UT at least)

Whatever the hell I missed though, I think I wrote enough for today to make a ****ing book out of it, soooo, I let you come ot your own take on what I shared. Again, it's just my theory, no matter how good it is, thre's probably flaws in it, so take all I said with a grain of salt. Toby is a wild dog, and all I said here could be proven wrong later down the line...

Yet, if I do getting one or two right later...well, you know where to contact me.

With that all said, thank you so, So, SO MUCH for reading all of this, and uh...

I'm sorry for all the hours I made you waste.

May god have mercy on your souls.

EDIT: oh and, after you read all of this, check this out.

Spoiler: DR chapter 2

Note that this happen only if you got the Egg in Chapter 1.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Love to see it.

#SuperNintendoWorld at @USJ_Official will be expanding with the addition of the world's first Donkey Kong area in 2024! Stay tuned!https://t.co/XsZwYBoZTE pic.twitter.com/9BlymppO5p

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) September 28, 2021

 

[Z25]

I love how the Flute to summon Pokemon plays the first few notes of the Diamond and Pearl Title Screen.

Cleavor looks pretty cool! I didn't expect it to actually be covered in yellow like the leak. I'm guessing there are 18 bosses? One guarding each plate perhaps? Otherwise I guess we could see 8 like usual. I hope its switched up a bit more though.

Can't wait for the new arc, so excited about it. Playing the game a lot, hehe. I like it for once like actually, it's one of the only Pokemon games I'll play.

In all seriousness though. I'd like to ask you about your opinions, don't take that as me saying 'I want that' thing, it's just that recent leaks seems to suggest that. Do you really think Sora is going to be the last DLC fighter?

Personally, I would say that's a possibility, but considering Disney and Square Enix, I don't think that is likely. However, we might see someone as crazy as Sora or maybe more. It's likely that the last showcase will be the one making or breaking the 2nd DLC pass.

At this point there might be rumors about the sixth Smash game, it might be a complete reboot or might not be, but what matters more would be being able to look forward to the future. I think Sakurai might stick around a little longer, before retiring or at least, withdrawing from his director position.

Spoiler

Super Smash Bros. MMORPG and original characters when?

I'm not sure if your question is aimed at me, but do I think hes possible? Yeah absolutely, anything is fair game. If Sakurai is looking to leave, I could easily see him aim for a bigger character. Perhaps one that he may even have negotiated for before but failed. Ending on a character that shares the name of his company would also be neat. Regardless Sora is still one of, if not the most requested character. So he could definitely happen, and I'd be really excited. Hes not my only most wanted though. Crash, Phoenix Wright, Bandanna Dee, Tails/Eggman would be my most wanted characters outside of Sora currently as well. Undertale getting repped would also be pretty hype though.

Whoo gonna be able to watch all of Free Guy tonight after having missed the last 20-30 minutes last month. :D

Saw this for the first time the other day. It was a great film! A really nice story with some pretty funny jokes thrown in there.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Tom Sawyer Abroad is hilarious. Why does nobody talk about this book? Mark Twain’s dry southern drawl is perfect for making this book a gold mine.

 

[Z25]

Wasn’t that one proven to be fake?

No, it really can't since it boils down to the poster guessing saying:

Spoiler

They work for Disney Music and Nintendo called requesting the rights to several Kingdom Hearts Music tracks to use in a digital presentation on October 5th Which means its not a mii costume, and Sora would be the last character. With the tracks he comes with probably being different from whats played in the presentation.

Keep in mind this was posted in July when everyone was expecting the reveal in a September Direct, if not later.

Also another random post on 4chan( I forgot the date for this one) also just said that Its Sora and he releases October 5th. No story for why they knew that, which is interesting.

It could easily being a coincidence, but it is very intriguing that someone called the exact date so far out. The Disney music story actually makes a hell of a lot of sense for how they would know this to and be spot on.

So Its not a guarantee, but its not something to overlook either. The fact Sakurai has actually counted down this time unlike other final reveals, makes me think it might actually be a big character like Sora.

 

[Deleted member]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

indifferent, but that's probably my reaction to most of the popular speculated pics

 

[Wademan94]

Think I’ll do movesets for Skulker and Ember too.

Since I’m on a DP kick, if they had assist characters in NASB, I think Technus would be a great option. He could summon and possess a machine or piece of tech from the series the current stage is from. Imagine him possessing a Reef Blower or one of Stu Pickle’s inventions

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

It was proven fake cuz the same dude reposted it but claimed it would be in September

the Oct 5 was just a lucky guess

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, not having any leaks to go off of is more fun going into the final reveal, IMO. Makes it that much more special.

 

[Noipoi]

There was Pokémon news several hours ago?

And nobody woke me up?

It looks cool though. Always happy to see a new Pokémon. And a bug with axes for hands is badass.

Noipoi , Shroob , Jondolio , Freezerburn , TheCJBrine , @UserGoozer

Alright you bunch of clowns, lemme get it that straight that it's going to be a big ass L O N G post, so you better get your Susie Wide Size Brain ready & have also alot of free time too. You don't have to read it in one sitting, but it be lengthy, really lenghthy. so lenghty I might to check it again later when I'm less tired, mostly because i'm bad at sharing my thoughts.

Know too that's just a theory, A GAME - you get the point. While I did alot of fact & check, not everything I say here is totally 100% unbiased, so keep that in mind. (lots of typo & errors are going to be here due to being titanic in lenght, so be aware)

That all said & done, let's have a some music to set up the mood, shall we?

Here we freakin' go.

Spoiler: Big Ass Deltarune Theory, Spoilers EVERYWHERE - except Weird Route

Let me start off this mess by a statement:

I don't think Kris is The Knight, the end of Chapter 2 is a red herring to make us think it is him.

"But Metal!", I hear you say, "Isn't what we been shown about Kris making a Dark Fountain in their home with a knife match The Knight actions of making The Cyber World's Dark Fountain using a knife?"

Yes, it does match, and honestly, I wouldn't blame anyone for putting the two together, I did it myself too.

But that's the thing: we only see Kris making a Dark Fountain after the Queen explain to us precisely who can do it & how to do it.

The 3 Dark Fountains before it were all made off screen, and while some theorize thar Kris did make The Cyber World Dark Fountain between chapter while soulesse, my question is: how the hell did this little gremlin entered the library at night, without breaking any windows or at least without 1 single trace of his presence?

I know Kris is a prankster & as been around te town for a while, but it seem mighty sus that he managed to do such a good job while soulesse AKA when he seem like he can barely move around like a zombie, without a soul to power him up, so to speak.

Plus, when Susie & Kris go into the school to find chalks in Chapter 1, Kris seem to be quite surprised by the mysterious & ominious door that once was the Closet. If he did make this one (and the other one in the old classroom), why wouldn't he shrug it off? To keep up appareance? They already got the reputation of a lonely weirdo! It wouldn't be that out of character for them.

Not only that, but no one in the two Dark World we seen ,seem to recognize them beside Ralsei (who know much, MUCH more than he let on). The Queen as the excuse of the fog, and it's hard to tell if The King did met the Knight or not judging by his dialogue. (He is very eager to beat up Kris though) But what about Spamton & Jevil? Those two know alot about the world than most, even causing both of them to be insane, and both of them does mention The Knight, yet no comment on Kris reminding them of someone. Spamton is much more interested in Kris's Soul & freeing them of their strings (in his....very special way) than anything, and Jevil talk as if The Knight will be someone the party will have to fight. Which considering how his post-violence battle quote mention the Queen & The Roaring ("AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS "). Lead me to think that The Knight will be a separate person altogether rather than a member from our party.

Finally, for Kris reason making the fountain in his home - despite Ralsei explaining how it be a VERY BAD IDEA if too many of them are made - , I got some guess:

1) A common theory I saw is thar Kris really want Undyne & the police in general to take the Dark World stuff seriously, yet everytime he mention it, Undyne just laugh at their face & doesn't take it seriously in the slightest. Now, remember at how Kris cut the tires, causing Toriel to call the police to come at their house & then leaving the door open for anyone to walk in?

2) While he did cut the tires before talking with her, Susie talking with them about how cool it be to have Lancer, Ralsei & all of their dark friends basically interact with peoples they know in the Light World, might have pushed them to go for it even more than before. As while they don't show it as much as Susie, it seem like her, to a extent, Kris does enjoy the whacky adventure that the Dark World offer. Beside us causing them to keep interacting with shady peoples like Spamton after he was cleary shown to be NOT trustworthy or fight the devil that Jevil, or worse, then really, there is no reason to stop said whacky adventure now & bring more Lightners into the mix whiel they are it, especially since their first visit caused Susie & Kris to become best pal, and Berdly & Noelle to be more or less cool with them than before. So why not do it with Toriel & Undyne/Napstablook & see what happen?

All of this lead to my final point for this party of theory: Kris ain't evil.

Yes, the're a lonely weirdo who like pranks a little too much and there's definitly something wrong with them (you don't just rip out your soul and walk around like a zombie without a reason as to why), but I don't think they're evil to the core. While they only becames friends for two days, Kris seem to really cherish their friendship with Susie (easiest exemple is Susie & Ralsei reaction to Kris drinking Susie Tea), and to a lesser extent Noelle despite whatever caused them to grow apart in the past. (They gain like 70 HP from her tea, which isn't alot, but it's still better than Kris drinking Ralsei Tea, at 60 HP). Kris still really care for their brother Asriel & to a lesser but still strong exemple, their mom Toriel (it's hard to tell in Asgore case), and while their life have been miserable since whatever happened with Dess that caused her family to interact less with the Dreemurr, Asgore & Toriel Divorce, Asriel lefting the house to go to college & them becoming essentialy a puppet for our needs (which they REALLY don't seem to like at all), I don't think they're at such a point of despair that the end of both the Light & Dark World seem like a better alternative to them, at least at this point in time. (Note that I think Ralsei say the truth when it come to the Titans, notably thanks to Jevil remark & the weird valley you go around with the eyes when you first enter the Dark World)

Whatever reason they opened the fountain at the end of Chapter 2, it's probably for reasons that are much more personal, and there's nothing to say that will keep doing this in future chapter

BRIEF, now that I went all over why Kris isn't the Knight, you might be like,
"But Metal! You Handsome Devil! If this isn't Kris who is the Knight, then who it might be?"

Well, long story short:
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Yeah, you thought that music I choosed was just for funsie? AH, YOU THOUGHT.

For real, I honestly think that, atm, the human vessel we made at the start of the game is gonna be the Knight, who is under the influence/control of Gaster, just like every other Goner you meet in Undertale. (That, or Kris is a vessel, but he isn't aware of it)

Now, here's the thing,some folks, including me once, kinda meme on that everything weird related to UT/DR is related to Gaster. 'cuz it's easy to blame funny egg head man for any pickles that fall on the floor at 4 am.

Thing is though, in Deltarune, I truly believe that Gaster as some sort of major role in all of this mess. From Toby twitter account being hacked by someone who talk like him IN ALL CAPS (note that the first voice in Goner Maker (as it's know in the game file) also speak like him AND IN ALL CAPS), to the various theme in DR who sound really similar to Gaster Theme (especially Another Him, which even reference the name of the file for Gaster Theme, know simply as "him"), to all the easter eggs who reference either Gaster or his followers. (The Man Behind The Tree, the garbage noises on the phone in the dark world that sound exactly like Entry 17, the bird looking dude in the library who was a follower in UT we never seen it's normal form, etc..) Gaster presence is hidden, but can still be felt all over the place if you know where to look.

What's tricky though is that Gaster both exist...and he doesn't, he is both everywhere & nowhere, he has been shattered across time & space, and while he wasn't retcon in UT in-universe, as shown by his follower remembering him. He seemingly doesn't have a physical form anymore. (The Mystery Man sprite hasn't been confirm to be Gaster, in fact, Toby went out of his way to remove him from marchandise who use the Mystery Man design, for unknown reasons) And I think that explain why he is refered by various vague terms by the character & even us (The Man Behind The Tree by Kris, Someone by Seam/Spamton old friends, whoever name you gave the voice in the intro, etc..)


All of this lead me to believe that Gaster is basically forced to use proxy to do whatever the heck he want. He can apparear in some sort of forms to interact with others and/or even to talk to them, but due to being basically a glitch in the matrix, he himself can't stay too long in one place. Again, he is everywhere & nowhere, that kind of **** isn't very helpful in the long term of whatever plans he as for us & the world of Deltarune.

So to remedy this, Gaster use various "vessels" to share with us knoweldge only he know.

After all, while you could say those 3 chuckleshead may have remembered Gaster from when he was still alive.

The fact that Goner Kid (not pictured here) look way too young to have lived back when Gaster existed, and mroe importantly, that with Mystery Man, all of Gaster Follower were once impossible to meet unless you tweaked the "Fun" value to "fun" (or some **** like that, can't remember exactly) until a update did exactly that and made them possible to rarely encounter them if you were lucky while starting the game/ doing a new game +, which tells to me that all of them are to a extent, are closely linked to Gaster. (Hell, the dude in the middle even say he has a piece of Gaster, before being Thanos'd out of existence)

That isn't how to go that all of them share their appareance with a NPC you encounter normally in the game. (The third one had to wait DR for that, but we did get it!) And that Clam Girl, in the Switch version, transform right in front of our eyes into a Goner. (of note, she talked about a certain Suzy, that we will one day/soon meet, the player)

Oh and, what do you know, all the follower we meet in UT have now apparead in DR in their normal form at least once, with the only exception being The Mystery Man.

Brief, whatever they know/want it or not, they're all "pawns" for Gaster to use in whatever way he see fit. In UT, their appareance probably happened so that Gaster could make peoples outside of the game know about his existence & get a "connection". (see the dialogue below)

THANK YOU FOR WAITING SO LONG.
AFTER ALL YOU AND I, WE HAVE BOTH BEEN WAITING SUCH A VERY LONG TIME.
SO TO BE HERE FINALLY ON THE VERGE OF CONNECTION
IS QUITE EXCITING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CREATING A NEW FUTURE WITH YOU.
NOW ! SHOW YOURSELF ! DELTARUNE !
—An unknown entity before commencing the "connection" at the beginning of the game.

HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN.
ONCE MORE I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES.
YOU HAVE DONE EXCELLENTLY TO PERSEVERE.
DELTARUNE GLOWS BRIGHTLY FROM YOUR HOPE.
NOW. SHALL WE ? SHALL WE GO AGAIN ?
THE SECOND FIELD. THE SECOND CONNECTION.
—An unknown entity unveils the release of Chapter 2.



'cuz while he wasn't erased from history in UT, with time, most monsters forgot his existence, and without anyone to remember him, he basically was unable to "contact" anyone for whatever he had planned. Thanks to us crazy Undertale fans though, Gaster names is now widly know in our worlds, and thus he can continue the next step of his master plan.

Now in DR, Gaster as been showing his presence in various small way as talked before, not showing his followers & staying hidden in the shadow. One thing I didn't mention until now though is his relation to Jevil & Spamton. Both of them one day meet a certain "Someone" who shared with them a knowedege so great, that it ended up causing both of them to turn insane & become obsess with the concept of "freedom". (Jevil believe he is the only one free 'cuz he know he is in a game, Spamton life as been ruined by being manipulated like a puppet, and now he want to be free)

Manipulated like a puppet, eh? By a mysterious force that can be barely comprehed from their persective?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder who fit that description? Oh right

GASTER...AND THE PLAYER TOO.

See, whatever we like it or not, we too are a sort of great voice from beyond the depth that can make peoples do things they wouldn't always want to do if they had a choice in the matter. ("your choices don't matter in this world") While I won't talk about the Weird Route here, those who have played know what i'm talking about, and even in the normal route, Kris is cleary unhappy to a extent with our control over them. One good exemple is them being unable to play the piano well despite being very good at it, even getting pissed at Susie for mocking them if you try to play the piano in the hospital in Chapter 2.

While we aren't to the same level as Gaster, we're still the closest being that can rivalize Gaster manipulation over the world of UT/DR, we might only have a few "vessels" to control to a more or less limited extent, but we still have our "pawns" in this game to control & eventually "win" the game with. And you know what has "pawns" in it? Right, Chess, and what would be a good game of chess, if both players didn't have atleast, say, some pawns, a King, a Queen, a Knight? (Note that Ralsei is a prince, Susie is a poweful girl & quite in control, and Kris wear armor & a sword/shield that kind make him look like a knight)

Queen & King, whatever they knew how the fountain work or not, still ended up serving Gaster's little expirement/game, but since they're both "important" character in the Dark World, Gaster couldn't directly contact them without his presence being too well know. So to remedy this, Gaster used the Knight as a proxy of sort. A proxy able to create Fountain, which only Lightners can make with enough Determination.

You know what kind of being is filled with Determination if you remember Undertale? That's right, Humans.

Remember the knife Queen shown that created her Dark World? Look quite Human, isn't it?

Remember the vessel we made and was apparantly discarded (kinda like the Trash Machine in chapter 1, only to reapparaer with a big role in Chapter 2?) by the other voice? (which is a whole mess I won't thankfully go here) What did they look like? Ah yeah, That's ****ing right, A HUMAN.

Now, there might a possibility that Gaster is also actually using Kris while they aren't aware to do weird stuff behind our back, but as of now, I subscribe to the theory that The Knight is a human vessel/goner that we made that, altought not used by us, the player, was taken back by Gaster to further manipulate the Dark World while also fooling us into thinking that Kris himself is The Knight. Which to a extent, is true, but Kris isn't our enemy, and whatever the vessel we made is happy with us or their existence or not, like all Gaster Follower/Goner before it, they're now one of Gaster many pawns, and the world of Deltarune is basically a game between us & Gaster who, whatever our choices actually matter in the end or not, both party are going to see it through the end. Whatever it's for good, evil, or just because we can, we won't stop til we reach the end of this experiment given to us by Gaster, and if we have to do a little controlling along the way, then so be it. We're ****ing gamers boyz, we ain't going to stop this game til we get our reward!....even if it cause suffering a long the way.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, at long last..............

We finally reached the end of this monster of a theory.

Now, again, if you somehow made it through all this insanity. Know there's still alot of stuff I didn't cover, like The Titans, The Bunker, Ralsei knowing ALOT for someone who was just born a day ago (lots of hints lead to believe he know the player, and that he may be linked to Gaster too, or the boat dude from UT at least)

Whatever the hell I missed though, I think I wrote enough for today to make a ****ing book out of it, soooo, I let you come ot your own take on what I shared. Again, it's just my theory, no matter how good it is, thre's probably flaws in it, so take all I said with a grain of salt. Toby is a wild dog, and all I said here could be proven wrong later down the line...

Yet, if I do getting one or two right later...well, you know where to contact me.

With that all said, thank you so, So, SO MUCH for reading all of this, and uh...

I'm sorry for all the hours I made you waste.

May god have mercy on your souls.

EDIT: oh and, after you read all of this, check this out.

Spoiler: DR chapter 2

Note that this happen only if you got the Egg in Chapter 1.

Now that’s some serious in-depth **** to think about. Good **** bro.

 

[Z25]

It was proven fake cuz the same dude reposted it but claimed it would be in September

the Oct 5 was just a lucky guess

There's no proof of it being the same guy though. Thousands of people use 4chan a day. The odds of the same guy randomly posting it are pretty slim. Especially when they **** post about characters like Sora all the time on that site.

There's also a third post I'm pretty sure at some time after the initial that claimed the same character and date, just without a story. Which really implies this isn't the same person either, because they wouldn't dropped the story of how they knew this if it was the case.

Unless they use a trip code, its not really possible to know if its the same person or not.

 

[Noipoi]

They fixed the HM problem in BDSP

 

[Metal Shop X]

There was Pokémon news several hours ago?

And nobody woke me up?

It looks cool though. Always happy to see a new Pokémon. And a bug with axes for hands is badass.

Now that’s some serious in-depth ** to think about. Good ** bro.

When i'm really, REALLY passionate about something, you can expect me to go over & beyond to make that thing justice.

That and I basically found almost EVERYTHING when it come to Undertale & I been keeping a very keen eye on any info I could found about Deltarune. I wouldn't call myself the best since alot of the info I know is thanks to some true legends out there who share what they found & their theories, but I definitly did my homework and then some.

 

[Noipoi]

holy **** inject legends Arceus into my veins

Now

PLEASE

 

[Z25]

They fixed the HM problem in BDSP

Yet Bibarel still does every job but fly because hes a legend, carrying the team on his back.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The entire 7th chapter of this book is Tom Sawyer going on an impassioned rant about fleas. This book is amazing!

 

[osby]

The entire 7th chapter of this book is Tom Sawyer going on an impassioned rant about fleas. This book is amazing!

That sounds like Twain.

You should see how he gets about mosquitos.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Oh and Noipoi , since you read my giant post (good lord), figure I share with ya this one detail I found interesting.

Spoiler: deltarune 2

See how Spamton look here & how different his personality is for a brief moment?

While it could be a coincidence, the monocgrome colors all around beside those damn blue pixels in the glasses make him look eerily similar to a Gaster Follower/Goner.

Not a fact mind you, but interesting to note regardless, especially since Spamton is very heavily link to Gaster

 

[TMNTSSB4]

no talks on when/if the Avatar characters are revealed, but…

🟠 It's time... for the slime 🟢

Nickelodeon All Star Brawl is coming to #Mainstage 2021 🤯

Singles will be capped at 256, so be sure to register NOW!

💚 https://t.co/Z8sici5LMy pic.twitter.com/HJd3lYUb3p

— Beyond the Smash (@BTSsmash) September 27, 2021

 

[Z25]

Here's your look at the Sakurai presents:

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Got a dude claiming they made the Sora leak, interpret this as you will

https://twitter.com/ponysonato/status/1442649946268835842?s=21

 

[Schnee117]

Here's your look at the Sakurai presents:
View attachment 331943

Just add Woody instead, his final smash can be him roasting each fighter.

 

[Noipoi]

Oh and Noipoi , since you read my giant post (good lord), figure I share with ya this one detail I found interesting.

Spoiler: deltarune 2

See how Spamton look here & how different his personality is for a brief moment?

While it could be a coincidence, the monocgrome colors all around beside those damn blue pixels in the glasses make him look eerily similar to a Gaster Follower/Goner.

Not a fact mind you, but interesting to note regardless, especially since Spamton is very heavily link to Gaster

What if Gaster is speaking through him?

What if that’s Gaster speaking from the void of nonexistence? No one can hear him, of course.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Saw this for the first time the other day. It was a great film! A really nice story with some pretty funny jokes thrown in there.

Free Guy is what you get when you put The Truman Show, The Lego Movie and The Maxtrix with a touch of Groundhog Day and Grand Theft Auto together.

Might potentially be in my top 11 favorite films this year and would love to get on blu-ray.

 

[Z25]

Got a dude claiming they made the Sora leak, interpret this as you will

https://twitter.com/ponysonato/status/1442649946268835842?s=21

Maybe, but like come on, claiming something without proof mean you may as well say nothing anyway because you won't be believed. This also wouldn't be the first time, someone tried to claim they made something that was a real leak either.

Regardless the fact that they gave a reason for why they chose a date but not a reason for the backstory is honestly pretty suspicious imo. You don't ignore something that adds that much validity to your "leak".

Granted nothing is even close to being confirmed real obviously, and its still anyone's game.

 

[Metal Shop X]

What if Gaster is speaking through him?

What if that’s Gaster speaking from the void of nonexistence? No one can hear him, of course.

Honestly I have no ****ing clue what to make of this.

Because, apparantly (grain of salt here), this unused text found in the game is linked to the person who speak through Spamton:

No one can hear me, can they...?
I guess not.
To be honest, I'm not even sure if I can hear myself.
It's so quiet here...
...and yet, sometimes,
I swear I hear something...
Something like... scratching?

Though while I have still ****ing clue, i'm going to guess and say it's Dess.

 

[Noipoi]

Honestly I have no ****ing clue what to make of this.

Because, apparantly (grain of salt here), this unused text found in the game is linked to the person who speak through Spamton:

No one can hear me, can they...?
I guess not.
To be honest, I'm not even sure if I can hear myself.
It's so quiet here...
...and yet, sometimes,
I swear I hear something...
Something like... scratching?

Though while I have still ****ing clue, i'm going to guess and say it's Dess.

Dess got stuck in the bunker
Is Presumed dead
Is actually stuck in the void
And we gotta get her out

Noelle, babe. Wake up. We gotta save your sister.

 

[Lamperouge]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

"Ayy, that's a good pick even if it doesn't particularly appeal to me."

I don't believe the leak, though.

 

[Noipoi]

Some new leak is claiming Sora is the final character. Although it's unlikely to be true, how would y'all feel about this?

Sora would be a rad ending. Even though I’ve played zero Kingdom Hearts. I’d be 100% cool with it.

 

[Z25]

Ok so I viewed that Twitter post from my account, and...

-Followed by Papa Genos.

This now screams clout chaser who wants a highlight in his video imo.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Dess got stuck in the bunker
Is Presumed dead
Is actually stuck in the void
And we gotta get her out

Noelle, babe. Wake up. We gotta save your sister.

Basically, yes.

That and Kris, Noelle, Dess & Asriel went into the bunker as kids because they love spooky stuff.

Dess get stuck in the bunker & is stuck there or somewhere else, Asgore try to found her as he is the chief of the police at the time, yet he can't and since Dess mother is the mayor, he is forced to quit for failing his job & Noelle & her family grow apart from Kris & their family.

Kris in the present now as a grudge toward Asgore for not finding Dess and doesn't want to go inside the bunker again due to the accident.

Noelle know her sister isn't dead and she's trying to find her in the present.

Maybe Kris was also affected by something in it, and of course, we're gonna have to return to it in the future.