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[SnakeFighter64]

that's just sad

You don't have to like them, but the realism is what made them popular (a lot of things from Marvel has touched on realism). If they don't touch on current events then how will kids be able to understand how the real world is like without being forced into a terrible situation. Peter with his growing up issues (and the constant losses he's had to overcome), X-Men with discrimination (which can also be shown off by Miles and Kamala if they want to), Iron Man with his alcohol and father issues, Luke Cage and Falcon with the issues black people have to face, and a whole lot more. And most of the mutants actually have stories behind their powers (that would have to be read of course). As for thr spotlight, that's what the MCU is for, as it made a majority of the Marvel roster into megastars without using their biggest stars (Hulk aside, but even then they don't fully have his film rights). Spidey and the X-Men, no matter what project they're in, are the absolute last things from Marvel that would need a limit on them.

that's because they wouldn't be cancelled...by smart people. If someone were to attempt and then fail at canceling them, they wouldn't have the knowledge of them representing racism

not even a hero can overcome racism. That's something the real world has to realize they should end themselves

in a way you're right

Hard disagree. I want more characters who headline their own stories and who were created to stand on their own then dozens of characters who were all created to be a part of a team and don't bring in their own lore or concepts.

And how are their powers connected to their stories exactly? Like... Iceman didn't get locked in a freezer when his X-Gene activated so he has ice powers now. He just went through puberty after randomly getting the gene from his parents and randomly got ice powers. He could have had any powers and you could tell the exact same story. Just as an example off the top of my head.

Maybe we would overcome it if we started framing it as something that could be defeated and ended.

Snake, let's be real, racism probably isn't going away in our lifetime.

At the very least, we need to start actually trying.

Sometimes, it's the attempt that's more important than the result. An, "Or die trying" attitude that people can get behind. It's nicer when the protagonists we root for succeed but we shouldn't devalue stories of people who weren't successful. If we did, there'd probably be a lot less adaptations of true events.

I see your comment. I kind of agree with you to a degree. But I also think it's more important to inspire people and influence their actions.

Isn't it obvious? Characters just being... able to win every encounter they face is frankly cliched and boring as hell(there's a reason One Punch Man exists to subvert that very trope)

If there's no hardship, no struggle, what's the point? Even Batman, Superman, and the like all have those little arcs where they face something that seems too tough to handle, whether that be personal(batman's past and how the citizens of Gotham tend to treat him as a criminal) or external(while I haven't watched the movies I think Thanos is a good example?)

Sure. There should be a hardship. But they still need to actually win. If they didn't actually win then what did you gain from the story? A reminder that you can never accomplish anything and that life will always beat you down so just accept it. Even the powerful super soldier has depression. If he can't beat it why would you be able to?

Because racism isn't something that can be defeated soo easily. No amount of idol worship will instantly make the world a better place. People who probably read Superman probably are racist, completely ignoring the messages and use it as nothing more than an action comic, to think that Superheroes always winning will somehow "fix" it is laughable.


Sometimes, the truth is the best medicine one can swallow. Sometimes, people need to be reminded that life sucks. Life isn't sunshine and rainbows, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with "The good guy saves the day!", sometimes, you need a dose of realism to put you in your place.

All those doses of realism you keep telling me I need are what have made me suicidal in the past. They have never done anything for me other then make me just want to give up on life. Excuse the language, but how the **** is that of benefit to me? Seeing heroes overcome the problems I face and beat them back inspires me to keep going and to keep trying. Which is much more beneficial then making me feel "why bother? I can't do anything".

 

[Noipoi]

It'll end fine.


Anyways, yo yo, if there are any closeted racists in here, please come out. We're not gonna hurt you

I gotta sandwich for ya...

 

[Deleted member]

All those doses of realism you keep telling me I need are what have made me suicidal in the past. They have never done anything for me other then make me just want to give up on life. Excuse the language, but how the **** is that of benefit to me? Seeing heroes overcome the problems I face and beat them back inspires me to keep going and to keep trying. Which is much more beneficial then making me feel "why bother? I can't do anything".

That sounds more like a you problem than a fundamental problem of the storytelling

 

[TheMightyP]

I don't know about racism but I can see if you went in with a literary analysis lens you might come say that Superman is conservative. In various canons he's come at odds with Batman for their different views on how the Justice League should operate. Superman tends to be a US government lapdog whereas Batman prefers a vigilante approach to do things governments won't. Then there's also the whole Red Son thing. It would, however, be a bit ironic that a literal alien would be linked to notions of supporting racial discrimination.

I know the comics themselves tend to have a more conservative feel to them. I think there were multiple where they defended the U.S. government on... everything tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

"I am going to say the N word!"

 

[Deleted member]

Sometimes, the truth is the best medicine one can swallow. Sometimes, people need to be reminded that life sucks. Life isn't sunshine and rainbows, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with "The good guy saves the day!", sometimes, you need a dose of realism to put you in your place.

Shroob, I am going to be real with you.

Yes, life sucks. But in my opinion, its important to have a stand in life. Make a difference. The racists in this world are trying to make the world worse. We cannot just do nothing.

Imagine the world as a sinking ship. Are you just going to say, "Well, we're screwed." and not run for a small boat and try to survive on there? I am not saying we can solve these problems in our lifetime, but it is best to try.

So in my opinion, just being "scared" of politics doesn't really help. There is a lot of theory and other stuff to help you out.

To be fair, COVID-19 is rampant, so I think it is best to do something inside.

I gotta sandwich for ya...

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I will also offer them a knuckle sandwich!

 

[CannonStreak]

"I am going to say the N word!"

Don't...you...freaking...dare!

Prepares shotgun

 

[AceAttorney9000]

"I am going to say the N word!"

Not before I say it first...

 

[Deleted member]

Don't...you...freaking...dare!

Prepares shotgun

goddamn it you ruined the setup

 

[CannonStreak]

goddamn it you ruined the joke

My bad. Wasn't that serious, but now I feel bad.

 

[Deleted member]

My bad. Wasn't that serious, but now I feel bad.

nah it's fine

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That sounds more like a you problem than a fundamental problem of the storytelling

Oh sure. There is no major problem with how we tell stories and how we influence people's actions and thinking through them. I'm just broken. Right.

I know the comics themselves tend to have a more conservative feel to them. I think there were multiple where they defended the U.S. government on... everything tbh.

Anyone who actually thinks that DC comics and ESPECIALLY Superman are, at least currently, pro-conservative and pro-discrimination has clearly never actually read any of the material. It is so often the exact opposite, and very blatantly. Lex Luthor becoming President at one point will do that.

 

[CannonStreak]

If we are going to talk about this, I don't think I experienced racism ever in my life, due to my whitish skin.

And that is strange, since I am a mulatto.

 

[Shroob]

Shroob, I am going to be real with you.

Yes, life sucks. But in my opinion, its important to have a stand in life. Make a difference. The racists in this world are trying to make the world worse. We cannot just do nothing.

Imagine the world as a sinking ship. Are you just going to say, "Well, we're screwed." and not run for a small boat and try to survive on there? I am not saying we can solve these problems in our lifetime, but it is best to try.

So in my opinion, just being "scared" of politics doesn't really help. There is a lot of theory and other stuff to help you out.

To be fair, COVID-19 is rampant, so I think it is best to do something inside.

I will also offer them a knuckle sandwich!

I don't think you know where I stand at all lol, because you're basically parroting my belief system.

I'm of the opinion you acknowledge it exists, but you don't ignore it. You don't try to hope someone will just handwave it away or rescue you. You fight it.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh sure. There is no major problem with how we tell stories and how we influence people's actions and thinking through them. I'm just broken. Right.

I dunno, you seem to base yourself entirely around being negative towards everyone and everything, so much so that the few times you act positive towards anything, we're genuinely surprised. It's not that farfetched to assume this bias is jading how you view everything, and I don't mean that in a good way.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Before I hop back into the convo, I would like to share some excellent news

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****ING YES

Spoiler: KEEP IT TIGHT UUDD GANG

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think you know where I stand at all lol, because you're basically parroting my belief system.

I'm of the opinion you acknowledge it exists, but you don't ignore it. You don't try to hope someone will just handwave it away or rescue you. You fight it.

No, I really do not understand where you stand.

You hate getting involved in politics, but you also try to push others heavily in doing the correct things.

 

[Shroob]

Oh sure. There is no major problem with how we tell stories and how we influence people's actions and thinking through them. I'm just broken. Right.

Anyone who actually thinks that DC comics and ESPECIALLY Superman are, at least currently, pro-conservative and pro-discrimination has clearly never actually read any of the material. It is so often the exact opposite, and very blatantly. Lex Luthor becoming President at one point will do that.

I honestly feel like this can all be avoided if you took a step back and just.... could accept that others like things, and it's okay that they do, even if you don't, ya know?



You don't need to 'get' why others like things that you don't, if people like something you're not fond of, you could just say "Well, I don't like this, but I respect your right to like this", and honestly, we wouldn't have discussions like this, but, it always becomes long debates that drone on forever.

 

[Deleted member]

This actually looks like a real card holy hell
https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/k0bfhz

 

[PLATINUM7]

I know the comics themselves tend to have a more conservative feel to them. I think there were multiple where they defended the U.S. government on... everything tbh.

When the character's been around for over 80 years, there's going to be a lot of things contributing to the character's portrayal and series themes. In some ways he's a nostalgic representation of American ideology which has strong roots to comics during WWII. Interestingly enough, his immigrant status had been a widely praised aspect of his character and he has been used to champion various social causes throughout the comics medium. That said, as other writers come in his portrayal can change. Dictator Superman is somewhat popular take which I guess you could parallel to America's attempts to police the world but then dictator Superman has also been used to represent the enemy of the American way.

 

[Shroob]

No, I really do not understand where you stand.

You hate getting involved in politics, but you also try to push others heavily in doing the correct things.

I've no interest to sit and debate politics ad nauseum, but there's just some things that are basic decency. That's my stance on things.

 

[Deleted member]

You don't need to 'get' why others like things that you don't, if people like something you're not fond of, you could just say "Well, I don't like this, but I respect your right to like this", and honestly, we wouldn't have discussions like this, but, it always becomes long debates that drone on forever.

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob...

You can't be compromising with the fascists. They'll just fight you. You have to fight them back.

 

[Shroob]

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob...
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You can't be compromising with the fascists. They'll just fight you. You have to fight them back.

Shiny, we're talking about **** like video games and comic books.


Context is very key here

 

[TheMightyP]

Never really a fan of the "life sucks" philosophy tbh.

Yeah, that's about it.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Racism was actually eliminated in 1964 when the government made it illegal. And again in 2008 when Obama won. And again in 2012 when he won for a second time.

Actually racism was eliminated in Imperial Year 1185 when Clod from Fire Embull killed Nemesis, the CEO of Racism.

 

[Deleted member]

Shiny, we're talking about **** like video games and comic books.


Context is very key here

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob, my point applies to comic books and games. It applies to everything.

The fascists will participate in media that you love.

Edit: Accidently pressed enter too early.

 

[TheMightyP]

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob...
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You can't be compromising with the fascists. They'll just fight you. You have to fight them back.

Is this Steven Universe's ending?

 

[Shroob]

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob, my point applies to comic books and games.

The right-wing will

Except this has nothing to do with that. You're the only person here reading into that. If someone came in here spouting offensive ****, of course people would be ****canning them.

You're trying to look into a statement for politics when the closest thing is someone saying "Nah, I don't like pepperoni on my pizza, but you can go ahead and get it."

 

[PLATINUM7]

Shiny, we're talking about **** like video games and comic books.


Context is very key here

Godwin's law gets evoked in the most surprising ways here. It's always such a quick escalation.

When you take the absolute most extreme example of anything, you tend to dismantle arguments and statements. Conversely, conversations tend to do a better job at changing behaviour than jumping straight into fighting to root it out. That's because you've got a whole spectrum of behaviour before you get to the most extreme behaviour. Even on the precipice of that behaviour, people have still been capable of changing.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I dunno, you seem to base yourself entirely around being negative towards everyone and everything, so much so that the few times you act positive towards anything, we're genuinely surprised. It's not that farfetched to assume this bias is jading how you view everything, and I don't mean that in a good way.

I will admit I tend to have a negative slant. I wish I didn't. I just want to be happy about stuff again. I miss it. That's why I like happy endings. That's why I like positivity. That's why I like watching people overcome things. It makes me feel like I can actually do it. You know?

I honestly feel like this can all be avoided if you took a step back and just.... could accept that others like things, and it's okay that they do, even if you don't, ya know?

You don't need to 'get' why others like things that you don't, if people like something you're not fond of, you could just say "Well, I don't like this, but I respect your right to like this", and honestly, we wouldn't have discussions like this, but, it always becomes long debates that drone on forever.

I'm a curious person. I like to know why things are the way they are. How things work. Why they work the way they do. And I will admit that when I can't find any information about why things happen the way they do, I tend to fill in the blanks incorrectly. Not to mention it constantly feels like a competition. It's hard to just, say, let people like blueberry pie because you prefer apple, but sense it seems that everyone else likes blueberry more then none of the good pie shops are making apple anymore. They're only making blueberry. And the only place you can go for apple are smaller ones that use substandard ingredients and yes, are good, but not as good as a premium pie shop that has top tier chefs and uses only the finest ingredients. Like.. it's hard not to get bitter. Sure, you can't always get what you want. But like... you should be able to at least get it some of the time, right?

 

[Schnee117]

Spoiler: Politics

Shroob, my point applies to comic books and games. It applies to everything.

The fascists will participate in media that you love.

Edit: Accidently pressed enter too early.

Shiny
It's literally just about people simply liking or disliking certain forms of media. Chill out.

 

[TheMightyP]

Except this has nothing to do with that. You're the only person here reading into that. If someone came in here spouting offensive ****, of course people would be ****canning them.

You're trying to look into a statement for politics when the closest thing is someone saying "Nah, I don't like pepperoni on my pizza, but you can go ahead and get it."

Ok, but if you actually don't like pepperoni on pizza, I'm gonna stay 60 feet away from you

 

[Shroob]

Ok, but if you actually don't like pepperoni on pizza, I'm gonna stay 60 feet away from you

I'm sorry.

I'm a Hawaiian stan.


But all pizza is valid, I've never had a pizza I didn't like.

 

[Deleted member]

I was literally gone for not even 5 minutes, wtf happened

it's almost 10 already so I should get off.

 

[Deleted member]

Shiny
It's literally just about people simply liking or disliking certain forms of media. Chill out.

I thought we were discussing racism and how to fight racism.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Ok, but if you actually don't like pepperoni on pizza, I'm gonna stay 60 feet away from you

Have you ever met someone who doesn't eat meat?

 

[Deleted member]

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[Wademan94]

Jesus Christ what have I come back to?

 

[Shroob]

To de-escalate a bit from this insanity.


@Bakugan2556, check this Twitter account out, you'll get a kick out of it.

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[TheMightyP]

Have you ever met someone who doesn't eat meat?

Yes, and they have valid reasons to not like meat.

Doesn't mean I'm not staying the hell away from them if they hate pepperoni pizza