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Which was your favorite new Pokémon revealed from the Scarlet and Violet trailer?


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Again. You keep saying it is this way. But you never say why you think that. And it leaves me to fill in those gaps myself as to weather or not to take your opinion seriously or not. Like... WHY is it a spinoff? It's still a fighting game. It's still Marvel and Capcom characters fighting. The game-play, aside from the gems, is a vast improvement over 3 and all of it's issues. Not to mention it cuts out a lot of the fluf characters like Shuma and X-23 and finally, at least tries, to give us all of the heavy hitters for once. Could have been even better if people could have just supported the damn thing and let them make the DLC content they wanted to.
X-23/Wolverine...fluff...definitely a no. And besides, MvC3 overall had quite a devise roster compared to Infinite. The gameplay for 3 was far better to some creature like me than Infinite. 3v3 is more satisfying than a doubles and the moves all had style...and of course X-Men and Doom made things better for the roster. I'd rather have a roster the size of 3 with more entertaining gameplay than an Infinity Stone gimmick that could've been done better. In addition, the art style and character designs got worse overall (everybody having hella weird faces and being extremely buff was so...90s...and not in a good way)
Is that the one that had Phoenix Wright in it? Cause if so that was my jam ages ago.

Don't really play it anymore but I really enjoyed it.
it indeed is
Ok. Sure. It's fine to like 3, even if I don't like it. But that doesn't mean Infinite is any less of a mainline game and it doesn't mean it isn't insulting to suggest that we still haven't gotten an actual Marvel 4.
just because more people don't consider it yo be MvC4 doesn't mean we don't consider it a MvC game...just not a main numbered one. At best it's a NSMB/DMC deal.
I don't think anyone really cares at this point, do they?

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as of this final comment...not anymore
 

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At the end of the day though, they don't really have to change: Fan projects are such a niche thing that Nintendo going after them isn't going to cause any harm to themselves in any meaningful way. Most people don't even know these things exist; People playing ROM hacks and Smash mods are the super niche hardcore fans, and Nintendo could care less what those fans have to say TBH 'cause they don't make up the bigger piece of the pie.

If it doesn't hurt their over all sales or reputation as a company, then Nintendo doesn't really care. Legally, they're allowed to do whatever the heck they want to anything that contains their IP, and they don't like people touching their stuff. On the one hand, I can understand where they're coming from: If I made something even half as popular as Mario, heck no I wouldn't want just anyone doing whatever the heck they wanted with it, but on the same token, I don't know if I support just wildly swinging at anyone who looks at you funny either.

That's the trickiest part of it, though: In order to protect their copyright, they cannot officially endorse fan projects like Project M even if they wanted to. Best case scenario is they could take Sega and Capcom's of "Because copyright is really weird in the modern digital age, we know you do this, but in order to protect our copyright, we can't acknowledge it. Don't step on our toes and we won't step on yours.", but even with that it's a very slippery slope.

I personally think Nintendo goes overboard on protection of their IP, but on the same token, protecting one's intellectual property is an important thing to do and a lack of any control whatsoever doesn't lead to good things. In a perfect world, there'd be a compromise, but it is what it is.
It's actually kind of funny given how much of a family friendly/doing their own thing image they have, but Nintendo has always been among the most cutthroat in the industry.

Tetris console rights, NES restrictions, rentals, Tengen/Atari, N64 cartridges, 3DS region locking, etc.

It's also extremely hard to compare them to other companies due to their IP power, size/bank, and the most immediate rivals aren't solely video game focused.
 

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Not to mention it cuts out a lot of the fluf characters like Shuma and X-23
Those "fluff characters" are a big reason why most people prefer UMVC3. People who liked playing as characters like Wolverine, Magneto, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, Viewtiful Joe, Tron Bonne, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright in that game aren't exactly gonna be happy if the next game decides to just chuck them out the window.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was pretty successful, and one reason as to why can be seen on the cover art... four reasons, actually, with one of them being front and center...
 

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Honestly, rerelease MvC3 on next gen.

Or the Switch.

Just add Mega Man (or X) and bam. Fighting GOTY.

Balance changes too so Zero, Vergil, Morrigan, and half of the X-Men characters aren't ****ing memes.

Or actually, don't, I love the memes lol
 

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I don't think anyone really cares at this point, do they?

:drshrug:
If they didn't then this conversation wouldn't have happened in the first place.
X-23/Wolverine...fluff...definitely a no. And besides, MvC3 overall had quite a devise roster compared to Infinite. The gameplay for 3 was far better to some creature like me than Infinite. 3v3 is more satisfying than a doubles and the moves all had style...and of course X-Men and Doom made things better for the roster. I'd rather have a roster the size of 3 with more entertaining gameplay than an Infinity Stone gimmick that could've been done better. In addition, the art style and character designs got worse overall (everybody having hella weird faces and being extremely buff was so...90s...and not in a good way)

it indeed is

just because more people don't consider it yo be MvC4 doesn't mean we don't consider it a MvC game...just not a main numbered one. At best it's a NSMB/DMC deal.

as of this final comment...not anymore
I think the more realistic art style suits the Marvel characters way better honestly. And sure, having some X-Men and Dr. Doom are not padding. I'm more so talking about characters like X-23, Shuma Gorath, Sentinel, Taskmaster, and She-Hulk.

As of now.... there is no official word on weather or not the NSMB games are going to be followed up with a "Mario 4/5". DmC was a reboot with a completely different story and versions of the characters. As far as I can tell, the only thing that makes Infinite not Marvel 4 is the fact that people don't like it as much as it deserves and it doesn't have a number in the title. Like that has ever meant anything ever.
 

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If they didn't then this conversation wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I think the more realistic art style suits the Marvel characters way better honestly. And sure, having some X-Men and Dr. Doom are not padding. I'm more so talking about characters like X-23, Shuma Gorath, Sentinel, Taskmaster, and She-Hulk.

As of now.... there is no official word on weather or not the NSMB games are going to be followed up with a "Mario 4/5". DmC was a reboot with a completely different story and versions of the characters. As far as I can tell, the only thing that makes Infinite not Marvel 4 is the fact that people don't like it as much as it deserves and it doesn't have a number in the title. Like that has ever meant anything ever.
I mean, I don't have an actual horse in this race, I was just chipping my 2 cents in so :drshrug:
 

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Those "fluff characters" are a big reason why most people prefer UMVC3. People who liked playing as characters like Wolverine, Magneto, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, Viewtiful Joe, Tron Bonne, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright in that game aren't exactly gonna be happy if the next game decides to just chuck them out the window.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was pretty successful, and one reason as to why can be seen on the cover art... four reasons, actually, with one of them being front and center...
Oh my ****ing god can we just drop the ****ing X-Men already!!! They're not that great! I'm so sick of people complaining about every Marvel project that doesn't have them like that's actually a valid complaint. It's so superficial. And heads up, THEY WERE GONNA ADD SOME AS DLC! But they didn't because y'all didn't support it enough to justify it. So who's fault is it that we aren't all playing as Wolverine in Infinite now? Yours. Not Capcoms. Although Marvel gets some **** for rushing the project.

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OK. Calming down now. In all honesty, I'm not against X-Men characters. I just think they are far from all Marvel is and they get way more representation then they actually deserve or need in most Marvel crossovers. Wolverine, Magneto, Dr. Doom, Tron Bonne, Viewtiful Joe, Phoenix Wright. They're all fine. But with so many potential characters they have yet to do, like most of Spider-Man's world renowned rogues gallery, heck most iconic villains from most of Marvel's pantheon, characters like the Runaways, the Defenders, Daredevil, Punisher, Namor, the Fantastic Four. Heck, the fact that the series featured characters like Spiral and Marrow before it ever even touched Thor or Black Panther just... that's just so much of an injustice.
 

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And in their place we got Gamora and Winter Soldier, yeah good trade-off.
Yeah... I kind of agree on that one. Why it was Gamora and not Star-Lord just confuses me. And Winter Soldier is the one character in the game I actually roll my eyes at. Though knowing what would have came if the DLC continued thanks to the bevy of leaks, I can kind of see where they were going. Those leaks are part of the reason I want to see Infinite finished. Just add in the cut DLC characters, the leftover ones absent from 3 via reuse of assets, give the players a few more options for how the fights can play out, and bam. You've got a game everyone can call Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 4
 

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It's funny how most of the Marvel roster in UMvC3 actually aren't "fluff" anymore.

X-23 got a film
Rocket got a film (I vividly remember a ton of "who the **** is Rocket" sentiments btw)
Dr Strange and Dormammu got a film
Taskmaster got big roles in major triple ayyy games and Black Widow
She-Hulk's getting a series
Sentinel has never been "fluff" and got a film anyway
We got Skrulls in the films

And like, there's nothing wrong with going for deeper picks anyway. Super Skrull is excellent in that you get the F4's powers without wasting time on 4 separate characters.
 

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Fluff characters? Prince Fluff confirmed for CP8?
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Unironically yes.
It's funny how most of the Marvel roster in UMvC3 actually aren't "fluff" anymore.

X-23 got a film
Rocket got a film (I vividly remember a ton of "who the **** is Rocket" sentiments btw)
Dr Strange and Dormammu got a film
Taskmaster got big roles in major triple ayyy games and Black Widow
She-Hulk's getting a series
Sentinel has never been "fluff" and got a film anyway
We got Skrulls in the films

And like, there's nothing wrong with going for deeper picks anyway. Super Skrull is excellent in that you get the F4's powers without wasting time on 4 separate characters.
What's even funnier is that Dr. Strange and especially Rocket is pratically Marvel Staples nowadays.

Like, Rocket is ****ing everywhere nowadays, you can't avoid him.
 

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I think the more realistic art style suits the Marvel characters way better honestly. And sure, having some X-Men and Dr. Doom are not padding. I'm more so talking about characters like X-23, Shuma Gorath, Sentinel, Taskmaster, and She-Hulk.
I didn't know that a realistic "cinematic" art style was apparently more fitting for characters who originated in comic books instead of... you know, a comic book-like art style?

Also, I didn't know that Shuma Gorath and Sentinel, two characters that were in previous games and were popular with fans to the point of generating memes (Mango Sentinel, anyone?), were considered "fluff characters". To say nothing of the other three, who were more recent newcomers that showed not everyone had to be an Avenger and/or X-Man to make it in.
Oh my *ing god can we just drop the ****ing X-Men already!!! They're not that great! I'm so sick of people complaining about every Marvel project that doesn't have them like that's actually a valid complaint. It's so superficial. And heads up, THEY WERE GONNA ADD SOME AS DLC! But they didn't because y'all didn't support it enough to justify it. So who's fault is it that we aren't all playing as Wolverine in Infinite now? Yours. Not Capcoms. Although Marvel gets some * for rushing the project.

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OK. Calming down now. In all honesty, I'm not against X-Men characters. I just think they are far from all Marvel is and they get way more representation then they actually deserve or need in most Marvel crossovers. Wolverine, Magneto, Dr. Doom, Tron Bonne, Viewtiful Joe, Phoenix Wright. They're all fine. But with so many potential characters they have yet to do, like most of Spider-Man's world renowned rogues gallery, heck most iconic villains from most of Marvel's pantheon, characters like the Runaways, the Defenders, Daredevil, Punisher, Namor, the Fantastic Four. Heck, the fact that the series featured characters like Spiral and Marrow before it ever even touched Thor or Black Panther just... that's just so much of an injustice.
I'd be much more inclined to take your grievances more seriously if it weren't for the fact that the X-Men and Fantastic Four were essentially "blacklisted" and not allowed to appear in Marvel games and cartoons until Disney could get the movie rights back, which, in regards to Marvel vs. Capcom, resulted in multiple mainstays and fan favorites (who should've been in the game from the start and not added in through DLC) getting the shaft.

Rocket got a film (I vividly remember a ton of "who the **** is Rocket" sentiments btw)
I remember following MVC3's character reveal cycle (both vanilla and Ultimate), and the reactions to Rocket Raccoon were hilarious. Same with MODOK, who was basically the "Wii Fit Trainer in Smash" of MVC, complete with (awesome-sounding) theme music that ended up turning into a sort of "troll theme song" as a meme.
 
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Or actually, don't, I love the memes lol
This. MvC is supposed to be an imbalanced ****fest, just let it happen. Though there is one thing I'd like to balance out: If we're gonna add a Mega Man, Marvel needs one character that'd be considered a huge omission. In modern times that'd be Thanos, but if we're recycling MvCI assets, Venom or most of its Marvel newcomers could also be good choices.
 

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Step aside Tetris and Mario. Are y'all ready for PACMAN ROYALE?
Please let it come out on everything else in the future I beg you Namco.
 
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Those "fluff characters" are a big reason why most people prefer UMVC3. People who liked playing as characters like Wolverine, Magneto, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, Viewtiful Joe, Tron Bonne, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright in that game aren't exactly gonna be happy if the next game decides to just chuck them out the window.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was pretty successful, and one reason as to why can be seen on the cover art... four reasons, actually, with one of them being front and center...
that cover is literally the biggest issue I have, and it's just because I miss the way the other 2 MUA games did theirs...but it makes up for having the best roster and moves (and of course the acting is top tier)

MUA4 needs to happen by 2023 or 2024 (or even better...whatever year number the MCU will be in)
If they didn't then this conversation wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I think the more realistic art style suits the Marvel characters way better honestly. And sure, having some X-Men and Dr. Doom are not padding. I'm more so talking about characters like X-23, Shuma Gorath, Sentinel, Taskmaster, and She-Hulk.

As of now.... there is no official word on weather or not the NSMB games are going to be followed up with a "Mario 4/5". DmC was a reboot with a completely different story and versions of the characters. As far as I can tell, the only thing that makes Infinite not Marvel 4 is the fact that people don't like it as much as it deserves and it doesn't have a number in the title. Like that has ever meant anything ever.
at this point anything that has little to no storyline will become a main Mario game (tho at least that could come to an end...as time goes by thanks to Odyssey having a plot)
Oh my ****ing god can we just drop the ****ing X-Men already!!! They're not that great!
X-Men was the 2nd biggest property Marvel had and is overall their 3rd biggest thing right now (their Pokémon to Spidey's Mario...whenever Spidey had less content than usual that is...otherwise he got the Mickey Mouse treatment). Not only that, but they also represented racism and segregation back in the day (tho of course it didn't have to get into actual race until way later on). You could find a mutant that you could connect to with no problems whatsoever
It's funny how most of the Marvel roster in UMvC3 actually aren't "fluff" anymore.

X-23 got a film
Rocket got a film (I vividly remember a ton of "who the **** is Rocket" sentiments btw)
Dr Strange and Dormammu got a film
Taskmaster got big roles in major triple ayyy games and Black Widow
She-Hulk's getting a series
Sentinel has never been "fluff" and got a film anyway
We got Skrulls in the films

And like, there's nothing wrong with going for deeper picks anyway. Super Skrull is excellent in that you get the F4's powers without wasting time on 4 separate characters.
and Laura is currently a main Wolverine, which is a massive deal
Are we really discussing whether or not fluff characters are good on a SMASH BROS forum? The franchise notrious for off the walls fluff characters?
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This was cool until I read out for Google Stadia
Does anyone here even own a Stadia? Genuinely question, I haven't seen anyone talk about anything other than how horrible it is as a service, and not the console/controller thing.
 
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Step aside Tetris and Mario. Are y'all ready for PACMAN ROYALE?
Please let it come out on everything else in the future I beg you Namco.
I bet you they regret giving this arcade game this name:
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Considering it's a 4 player game and the battle royale genre is associated with much larger playercounts.
 

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So because listening to MODOK's theme got me into the mood, here's some (U)MVC3 tracks (spoiler-ed so they don't make this post overly long). Say what you will about the game, but it absolutely nailed the theme music for its characters.
 

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The real depressing thing about MvCI is that it ended on a cliffhanger of Shin Thanos. That's a ****ing awesome hook but because Infinite was Infinite we aren't getting **** from that.
 

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Would honestly be okay if they ripped the models from MUA3.

Are we really discussing whether or not fluff characters are good on a SMASH BROS forum? The franchise notrious for off the walls fluff characters?
To be honest, I've never really considered anyone on the roster fluff except for the echoes and maybe Ice Climbers/Piranha Plant. At least compared to most fighters. With MvC I think of a lot of fluff or joke characters like Roll, Servbot, Phoenix Wright, Ruby Heart, Shuma Gorath,, Bone Claw Wolverine, etc.

Not saying they're bad or aren't important, Phoenix Wright certainly isn't that and MvC3 fixed a lot of the roster issues of 2, but in terms of the series history by nature of both companies and how privileged Smash fans are with the few/no cuts we have seen thus far, you gotta do just a bit more digging IMO.
 
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Not saying they're bad or aren't important, Phoenix Wright certainly isn't that and MvC3 fixed a lot of the roster issues of 2, but in terms of the series history by nature of both companies and how privileged Smash fans are with the few/no cuts we have seen thus far, you gotta do just a bit more digging IMO.
I mean at least the Marvel vs Capcom fans have an actual online system. :mega:
 
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Would honestly be okay if they ripped the models from MUA3.



To be honest, I've never really considered anyone on the roster fluff except for the echoes and maybe Ice Climbers/Piranha Plant. At least compared to most fighters. With MvC I think of a lot of fluff or joke characters like Roll, Servbot, Phoenix Wright, Ruby Heart, Shuma Gorath,, Bone Claw Wolverine, etc.

Not saying they're bad or aren't important, Phoenix Wright certainly isn't that and MvC3 fixed a lot of the roster issues of 2, but in terms of the series history by nature of both companies and how privileged Smash fans are with the few/no cuts we have seen thus far, you gotta do just a bit more digging IMO.
I guess when I mean fluff, I mean the "non-essentials", like Plant, Pichu, Ivysaur (Lets be honest here, only there to pad out Pokemon Trainer), Ness (Back in 99), Roy (Back in 2001), WFT, the Melee clones and Ult. echoes, Mr. G&W, etc. We don't consider them to be fluff niw because well, we got attached to them because of Smash (not the Pokemon though).


Same case for the MvC roster, at least for the Marvel side.
 

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YouTube recommends me a Pokemon "Nostalgia" medley
"Oh okay this'll be nice to put on while I get some work done."

Going normal, what you'd expect, lots of Gen 1-3 music
Gen 4 stuff starts
"Man, I really don't remember Gen 4's soundtrack."

Gen 5 stuff
"...Oh? Okay, I guess Gen 5 is a bit old now at this point."

"Wait."

"Excuse me."

Goes back to Gens 1-3
"Well that's better"

Ends on ****ing Marnie's theme
"Hol' up."


How the **** can someone call Sword/Shield nostalgic when it's the newest ****ing mainline game lmao
 

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The real depressing thing about MvCI is that it ended on a cliffhanger of Shin Thanos. That's a *ing awesome hook but because Infinite was Infinite we aren't getting * from that.
still not the worst cliffhanger in Marvel history
Would honestly be okay if they ripped the models from MUA3.
surprising how nobody on the internet has taken the models from MUA3 for more uses outside of Smash Ultimate
porn excluded internet
...different note...funny how the Avengers game models aren't ever gonna be used at this rate
 

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"Oh okay this'll be nice to put on while I get some work done."





"Man, I really don't remember Gen 4's soundtrack."



"...Oh? Okay, I guess Gen 5 is a bit old now at this point."



"Wait."



"Excuse me."



"Well that's better"



"Hol' up."


How the **** can someone call Sword/Shield nostalgic when it's the newest ****ing mainline game lmao
Pokemon fans can't read a dictionary
 
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How the **** can someone call Sword/Shield nostalgic when it's the newest ****ing mainline game lmao
I am beyond confused on the logic of the person that made the melody.
 
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