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[Shroob]

Honestly, just watching all this fallout about Nintendo and the Smash scene just has me like

"What? You're telling me that a company that despises ROMs would ****can the idea of netplay involving one of their old IPs due to it using ROMs? You're telling me that the company that despises mods and fan projects would go out of their way to aggressively kill off one of the biggest community mods ever made? You're telling me that an extremely capitalist company would want in on Tournaments with big brands, thus killing them off outright due to a lack of funding?"

No way, it's almost like Nintendo isn't this sunshine and rainbows company like soo many people want to believe



I feel bad for the Smash competitive scene, but things like Project M and Slippi were always just a single sneeze away from Nintendo's ire. You poke the bear enough times, the bear will maul your face off.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

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I actually like this art style better. It just needs a bit more polish is all. But if we HAVE to go cel shaded, then please go more along the lines of an Arc Sys fighter. All the thick black lines in 3 look really bad to me.

And as for if not being 4 because of no X-Men. I will remind you that MKvDCU is officially considered Mortal Kombat 8. Just gotta deal. And infinite isn’t a garbage fire game anyway. It just needs some spit and polish and a few more bells and whistles. Surface level superfluous stuff.

I wouldn't really compare Infinite to MK vs DC since not a single MvC game actually has any effect on the overall Marvel Universe or the universes Capcom has (I don't see Sigma trying to take over Krakoa)...and I don't know where the garbage part came from in the convo (I'm pretty sure most forgot the gameplay at this rate)

Honestly, just watching all this fallout about Nintendo and the Smash scene just has me like

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"What? You're telling me that a company that despises ROMs would ****can the idea of netplay involving one of their old IPs due to it using ROMs? You're telling me that the company that despises mods and fan projects would go out of their way to aggressively kill off one of the biggest community mods ever made? You're telling me that an extremely capitalist company would want in on Tournaments with big brands, thus killing them off outright due to a lack of funding?"

No way, it's almost like Nintendo isn't this sunshine and rainbows company like soo many people want to believe



I feel bad for the Smash competitive scene, but things like Project M and Slippi were always just a single sneeze away from Nintendo's ire. You poke the bear enough times, the bear will maul your face off.

but...but Nintendo is our little PogChamp

 

[PLATINUM7]

Honestly, just watching all this fallout about Nintendo and the Smash scene just has me like

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"What? You're telling me that a company that despises ROMs would ****can the idea of netplay involving one of their old IPs due to it using ROMs? You're telling me that the company that despises mods and fan projects would go out of their way to aggressively kill off one of the biggest community mods ever made? You're telling me that an extremely capitalist company would want in on Tournaments with big brands, thus killing them off outright due to a lack of funding?"

No way, it's almost like Nintendo isn't this sunshine and rainbows company like soo many people want to believe



I feel bad for the Smash competitive scene, but things like Project M and Slippi were always just a single sneeze away from Nintendo's ire. You poke the bear enough times, the bear will maul your face off.

I saw some people say this earlier but now that FreeMelee has become SaveSmash, now it's more pertinent. People who want Nintendo to be more like other companies supporting their competitive community just seem to completely ignore that comes at the cost of only supporting the most recent title. You really expect Nintendo to go above and beyond what even the more willing companies do? Then even that hardly addresses the issue of why the C&D was sent in the first place. I don't think I've watched a major tournament sponsored by Capcom or whoever that utilised emulation or mods. As much as people might want to, you just don't piss off your sponsor.

 

[TheCJBrine]

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I just need Zamazenta for the shiny charm, so I can continue dynamax adventures with the best odds :>

I'll trade it back to you, and can give Zacian if needed.

 

[Shroob]

I saw some people say this earlier but now that FreeMelee has become SaveSmash, now it's more pertinent. People who want Nintendo to be more like other companies supporting their competitive community just seem to completely ignore that comes at the cost of only supporting the most recent title. You really expect Nintendo to go above and beyond what even the more willing companies do? Then even that hardly addresses the issue of why the C&D was sent in the first place. I don't think I've watched a major tournament sponsored by Capcom or whoever that utilised emulation or mods. As much as people might want to, you just don't piss off your sponsor.

Honestly, I feel bad, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit this was also a popcorn scenario.


We know how Nintendo is with mods. What did people expect with Project M? Surely they had to realize it becoming big would piss off Nintendo greatly? The fact that Nintendo themselves moved to kill it speaks volumes of how upset it made them. We know they hate mods, we've seen them tear down fan games made after years of love and dedication in mere seconds, what made this different?


And I'm sorry, but seriously


What the **** did The Big House expect?


What did they expect? Their tournament was sponsored by Nintendo. Did they just... expect Nintendo to be okay with Slippi and the fact that it'd involve ROMs?..... SURELY someone had to have had an inkling that "Maybe Nintendo isn't going to be on board with this..."



I hate defending Nintendo, because I'm more than happy to call them out on their corporate ****ery, but this.... whole scenario feels like it was just a bomb waiting to explode in people's faces.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

not the VGAs but it is somewhat a taste of things to come for them this year

Every winner at the Golden Joystick Awards 2020

See who won what during this year's show

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I wouldn't really compare Infinite to MK vs DC since not a single MvC game actually has any effect on the overall Marvel Universe or the universes Capcom has (I don't see Sigma trying to take over Krakoa)...and I don't know where the garbage part came from in the convo (I'm pretty sure most forgot the gameplay at this rate)

but...but Nintendo is our little PogChamp

Ok..... then if it’s not garbage then why isn’t it 4? I think it’s a fine 4. I just want Capcom to make it into a great 4. I mean. Just look at how they fixed up SFV.

 

[Deleted member]

I slept through the afternoon...

Hopefully the cursed sleep schedule doesn't return back to bite.

 

[Zinith]

So Americanos on here.

What are you guys doing for Thanksgiving? Trying to make conversation while waiting to go somewhere.

I've been invited to my bartender's Thanksgiving again. It's only gonna be four people

 

[Deleted member]

So Americanos on here.

What are you guys doing for Thanksgiving? Trying to make conversation while waiting to go somewhere.

Ironically, I have been on a diet, so I won't be eating much in Thanksgiving.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Ok..... then if it’s not garbage then why isn’t it 4? I think it’s a fine 4. I just want Capcom to make it into a great 4. I mean. Just look at how they fixed up SFV.

I don't Street Fighter so not something I would use for support, but Infinite is more of a spin off MvC to me that could be used to lead to a 4...or even easier...the Edgy DMC of the franchise but with Akechi as a decent Spider-Man (his voice for Spidey seems to only work better for Superior and Teenage Spidey anyways)

 

[KillerCage]

not the VGAs but it is somewhat a taste of things to come for them this year

Every winner at the Golden Joystick Awards 2020

See who won what during this year's show

www.gamesradar.com

If that repeats at the VGA, I'll wash them out my life.

 

[Deleted member]

I hate defending Nintendo, because I'm more than happy to call them out on their corporate ****ery, but this.... whole scenario feels like it was just a bomb waiting to explode in people's faces.

Sorry if this question is a bit off-topic, but why is Nintendo a lot more willing to punish its own fans than any other gaming company I have heard about?

 

[Shroob]

Sorry if this question is a bit off-topic, but why is Nintendo a lot more willing to punish its own fans than any other gaming company I have heard about?

Other companies work on bleeding edge tech.

Nintendo is still using DOS. Figuratively, of course.



They're extremely old fashioned and behind their competitors in many ways.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sorry if this question is a bit off-topic, but why is Nintendo a lot more willing to punish its own fans than any other gaming company I have heard about?

They’re not as lenient with fan content as most other companies seem to be.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Sorry if this question is a bit off-topic, but why is Nintendo a lot more willing to punish its own fans than any other gaming company I have heard about?

I think it's because Nintendo is the top dog of gaming companies.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't Street Fighter so not something I would use for support, but Infinite is more of a spin off MvC to me that could be used to lead to a 4...or even easier...the Edgy DMC of the franchise but with Akechi as a decent Spider-Man (his voice for Spidey seems to only work better for Superior and Teenage Spidey anyways)

Why is it a spinoff though? Why can't it just be 4. It's not like it's a different genre.

 

[Shroob]

Why is it a spinoff though? Why can't it just be 4. It's not like it's a different genre.

Honestly, a spin-off makes sense. It's like the Street Fighter Alpha of the series.

 

[Wario Bros.]

anyone have time for a Pokémon trade?

I just need Zamazenta for the shiny charm, so I can continue dynamax adventures with the best odds :>

I'll trade it back to you, and can give Zacian if needed.

Sure if you're open (trade back requested)

Friend code in my user box.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Honestly, a spin-off makes sense. It's like the Street Fighter Alpha of the series.

But.... Street Fighter Alpha isn't a spinoff. It's a prequel. In Japan it's called Street Fighter 0. And It is basically exactly the same as Street Fighter 2 but with better graphics and different characters. Like.... I just don't understand. It feels to me like people are just salty about how Infinite turned out and just don't want to give it the name it actually deserves. When games can transition completely from genre to genre and still be considered sequels, I don't get why Infinite can't be Marvel 4.

 

[Shroob]

But.... Street Fighter Alpha isn't a spinoff. It's a prequel. In Japan it's called Street Fighter 0. And It is basically exactly the same as Street Fighter 2 but with better graphics and different characters. Like.... I just don't understand. It feels to me like people are just salty about how Infinite turned out and just don't want to give it the name it actually deserves. When games can transition completely from genre to genre and still be considered sequels, I don't get why Infinite can't be Marvel 4.

I mean, Wrath of Cortex and Twinsanity are Crash 4 and 5 in Japan, but Crash 4 is still Crash 4.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, Wrath of Cortex and Twinsanity are Crash 4 and 5 in Japan, but Crash 4 is still Crash 4.

And I still don't really know how I feel about that to be honest. While I love how it signified a return to form and a quasi-reboot of the series.. it does kind of fail to give those games their due because they aren't awful. Just not as good as they could have been. And as someone who really likes Infinite, I just want it fixed up and polished so people can finally look past their frankly very silly and surface level complaints and actually have fun with an amazing game.

 

[Deleted member]

Other companies work on bleeding edge tech.

Nintendo is still using DOS. Figuratively, of course.



They're extremely old fashioned and behind their competitors in many ways.

Hmm...

Thinking that Nintendo should start to change their ways. Not saying that they have to rely on bleeding edge tech, but stomping on fan projects seems counterintuitive and harmful to me.

 

[Shroob]

And I still don't really know how I feel about that to be honest. While I love how it signified a return to form and a quasi-reboot of the series.. it does kind of fail to give those games their due because they aren't awful. Just not as good as they could have been. And as someone who really likes Infinite, I just want it fixed up and polished so people can finally look past their frankly very silly and surface level complaints and actually have fun with an amazing game.

I think you're too caught up on titles when at the end of the day they're pretty pointless.


Super Mario Bros 2 is Super Mario Bros 2, except it's not, except it is, except it's not because Super Mario Bros 2 is a reskin of Doki Doki Panic and called Super Mario Bros USA in Japan, but the real Mario bros 2 is called Lost Levels here, so then if that's not Mario 2, then Mario 2 is...



Words, we made 'em up. They're meaningless.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I think you're too caught up on titles when at the end of the day they're pretty pointless.


Super Mario Bros 2 is Super Mario Bros 2, except it's not, except it is, except it's not because Super Mario Bros 2 is a reskin of Doki Doki Panic and called Super Mario Bros USA in Japan, but the real Mario bros 2 is called Lost Levels here, so then if that's not Mario 2, then Mario 2 is...



Words, we made 'em up. They're meaningless.

Mostly, it just feels like an insult to the game and people who like it. It just feels so sarcastic, salty, and bitter. Like, I'm sorry Logan-senpai wasn't in it, but can we please move on and actually judge it for what it is rather then what it isn't?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Why is it a spinoff though? Why can't it just be 4. It's not like it's a different genre.

I easily see it that way. With the way things go for Infinite, it just smells of spinoff title instead of main game

Honestly, a spin-off makes sense. It's like the Street Fighter Alpha of the series.

That's a good example

But.... Street Fighter Alpha isn't a spinoff. It's a prequel. In Japan it's called Street Fighter 0. And It is basically exactly the same as Street Fighter 2 but with better graphics and different characters. Like.... I just don't understand. It feels to me like people are just salty about how Infinite turned out and just don't want to give it the name it actually deserves. When games can transition completely from genre to genre and still be considered sequels, I don't get why Infinite can't be Marvel 4.

spinoffs and prequels can be the same thing (Age of Calamity)

 

[Shroob]

Mostly, it just feels like an insult to the game and people who like it. It just feels so sarcastic, salty, and bitter. Like, I'm sorry Logan-senpai wasn't in it, but can we please move on and actually judge it for what it is rather then what it isn't?

I mean, they did judge it for what it was.

They didn't like the gem gimmick. It didn't work in SFxT and it didn't really work here either.



Basically, you're staring down a scenario where UMvsC3 just feels, to a lot of people, more fun to play. This really doesn't have much to do with the roster much anymore, people just like how the game plays.


Is it really any different than people like SF3 3rd Strike over other SF games? Or Melee over other Smash games? Or TTT3 over other Tekken games?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I mean, they did judge it for what it was.

They didn't like the gem gimmick. It didn't work in SFxT and it didn't really work here either.



Basically, you're staring down a scenario where UMvsC3 just feels, to a lot of people, more fun to play. This really doesn't have much to do with the roster much anymore, people just like how the game plays.


Is it really any different than people like SF3 3rd Strike over other SF games? Or Melee over other Smash games? Or TTT3 over other Tekken games?

couldn't word it any better way

 

[MooMew64]

Hmm...

Thinking that Nintendo should start to change their ways. Not saying that they have to rely on bleeding edge tech, but stomping on fan projects seems counterintuitive and harmful to me.

At the end of the day though, they don't really have to change: Fan projects are such a niche thing that Nintendo going after them isn't going to cause any harm to themselves in any meaningful way. Most people don't even know these things exist; People playing ROM hacks and Smash mods are the super niche hardcore fans, and Nintendo could care less what those fans have to say TBH 'cause they don't make up the bigger piece of the pie.

If it doesn't hurt their over all sales or reputation as a company, then Nintendo doesn't really care. Legally, they're allowed to do whatever the heck they want to anything that contains their IP, and they don't like people touching their stuff. On the one hand, I can understand where they're coming from: If I made something even half as popular as Mario, heck no I wouldn't want just anyone doing whatever the heck they wanted with it, but on the same token, I don't know if I support just wildly swinging at anyone who looks at you funny either.

That's the trickiest part of it, though: In order to protect their copyright, they cannot officially endorse fan projects like Project M even if they wanted to. Best case scenario is they could take Sega and Capcom's of "Because copyright is really weird in the modern digital age, we know you do this, but in order to protect our copyright, we can't acknowledge it. Don't step on our toes and we won't step on yours.", but even with that it's a very slippery slope.

I personally think Nintendo goes overboard on protection of their IP, but on the same token, protecting one's intellectual property is an important thing to do and a lack of any control whatsoever doesn't lead to good things. In a perfect world, there'd be a compromise, but it is what it is.

 

[crazybenjamin]

Mostly, it just feels like an insult to the game and people who like it. It just feels so sarcastic, salty, and bitter. Like, I'm sorry Logan-senpai wasn't in it, but can we please move on and actually judge it for what it is rather then what it isn't?

As a defender of the NSMB series, I'd be miffed if Nintendo called the next 2D Mario "SMB5." No, I don't care how much you hate the NSMB games, that doesn't give you the right to pretend that they don't exist or that they don't have their fans (and if the game was called SMB4 that would be even worse than calling it SMB5, as the former would be SMW erasure)

 

[Deleted member]

Vanguard art is just

 

[Deleted member]

At the end of the day though, they don't really have to change: Fan projects are such a niche thing that Nintendo going after them isn't going to cause any harm to themselves in any meaningful way. Most people don't even know these things exist; People playing ROM hacks and Smash mods are the super niche hardcore fans, and Nintendo could care less what those fans have to say TBH 'cause they don't make up the bigger piece of the pie.

If it doesn't hurt their over all sales or reputation as a company, then Nintendo doesn't really care. Legally, they're allowed to do whatever the heck they want to anything that contains their IP, and they don't like people touching their stuff. On the one hand, I can understand where they're coming from: If I made something even half as popular as Mario, heck no I wouldn't want just anyone doing whatever the heck they wanted with it, but on the same token, I don't know if I support just wildly swinging at anyone who looks at you funny either.

That's the trickiest part of it, though: In order to protect their copyright, they cannot officially endorse fan projects like Project M even if they wanted to. Best case scenario is they could take Sega and Capcom's of "Because copyright is really weird in the modern digital age, we know you do this, but in order to protect our copyright, we can't acknowledge it. Don't step on our toes and we won't step on yours.", but even with that it's a very slippery slope.

I personally think Nintendo goes overboard on protection of their IP, but on the same token, protecting one's intellectual property is an important thing to do and a lack of any control whatsoever doesn't lead to good things. In a perfect world, there'd be a compromise, but it is what it is.

You bring up a good point. But I do think Nintendo is too harsh on that stance.

Like I said before, Nintendo doesn't have to push their technology to the limits like what Microsoft and Sony does, but the fact that Smash Ultimate's online is widely considered worse than Smash 4's online, and Mario Maker 2's online is not an improvement over the original Mario Maker's online says a lot.

 

[TheCJBrine]

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[SnakeFighter64]

I easily see it that way. With the way things go for Infinite, it just smells of spinoff title instead of main game

That's a good example

spinoffs and prequels can be the same thing (Age of Calamity)

Again. You keep saying it is this way. But you never say why you think that. And it leaves me to fill in those gaps myself as to weather or not to take your opinion seriously or not. Like... WHY is it a spinoff? It's still a fighting game. It's still Marvel and Capcom characters fighting. The game-play, aside from the gems, is a vast improvement over 3 and all of it's issues. Not to mention it cuts out a lot of the fluf characters like Shuma and X-23 and finally, at least tries, to give us all of the heavy hitters for once. Could have been even better if people could have just supported the damn thing and let them make the DLC content they wanted to.

I mean, they did judge it for what it was.

They didn't like the gem gimmick. It didn't work in SFxT and it didn't really work here either.



Basically, you're staring down a scenario where UMvsC3 just feels, to a lot of people, more fun to play. This really doesn't have much to do with the roster much anymore, people just like how the game plays.


Is it really any different than people like SF3 3rd Strike over other SF games? Or Melee over other Smash games? Or TTT3 over other Tekken games?

The gem gimmick in SFxT was a completely different thing. That was more like gear in Injustice 2. And I actually like the reasoning for including them in this one over a third tag partner. Most people really were just using the third character as a reserve, it really only served to bloat matches and make them run longer then they needed too, at least from my experience. Again though, I think the ability to allow players to choose weather or not to have a third partner or a stone would be a nice compromise. And the freeform tagging is just... soooooo much better! I played through UMvC3 to get every arcade ending and to this day I still can't figure out how it works. I hear it's the same system as FighterZ but I can't figure it out there either. No. I just want to hit a button and switch characters. Why would I want an assist when everything can be an assist.

And it's not like people are going back and demanding Capcom go back and make a game that's more like third strike and call it "The Actual Street Fighter 4, that other one didn't exist".

And, just a fun fact. Tekken Tag Tournament 3 does not exist. It's 1 and 2.

 

[Shroob]

Again. You keep saying it is this way. But you never say why you think that. And it leaves me to fill in those gaps myself as to weather or not to take your opinion seriously or not. Like... WHY is it a spinoff? It's still a fighting game. It's still Marvel and Capcom characters fighting. The game-play, aside from the gems, is a vast improvement over 3 and all of it's issues. Not to mention it cuts out a lot of the fluf characters like Shuma and X-23 and finally, at least tries, to give us all of the heavy hitters for once. Could have been even better if people could have just supported the damn thing and let them make the DLC content they wanted to.

The gem gimmick in SFxT was a completely different thing. That was more like gear in Injustice 2. And I actually like the reasoning for including them in this one over a third tag partner. Most people really were just using the third character as a reserve, it really only served to bloat matches and make them run longer then they needed too, at least from my experience. Again though, I think the ability to allow players to choose weather or not to have a third partner or a stone would be a nice compromise. And the freeform tagging is just... soooooo much better! I played through UMvC3 to get every arcade ending and to this day I still can't figure out how it works. I hear it's the same system as FighterZ but I can't figure it out there either. No. I just want to hit a button and switch characters. Why would I want an assist when everything can be an assist.

And it's not like people are going back and demanding Capcom go back and make a game that's more like third strike and call it "The Actual Street Fighter 4, that other one didn't exist".

And, just a fun fact. Tekken Tag Tournament 3 does not exist. It's 1 and 2.

UMvsC3 is hype.


That's pretty much all there is to say. Watching UMvsC3 is just a hype as hell experience.

 

[Wario Bros.]

TheCJBrine glad I could help

 

[SnakeFighter64]

UMvsC3 is hype.


That's pretty much all there is to say. Watching UMvsC3 is just a hype as hell experience.

I just... disagree. I watched it a couple of times at EVO when I was younger and didn't think much of it. And actually playing it feels like an over complicated mess. I won't call it bad. But it's far from ideal. Especially with some of the roster choices and the frankly ugly black lines all over the character models.

 

[Shroob]

I just... disagree. I watched it a couple of times at EVO when I was younger and didn't think much of it. And actually playing it feels like an over complicated mess. I won't call it bad. But it's far from ideal. Especially with some of the roster choices and the frankly ugly black lines all over the character models.

I mean, that's your opinion and you're well okay to think that.

But there's also a time where you have to accept "I don't care for this thing, but a LOT of others do and pull excitement from it."

 

[Deleted member]

UMvsC3 is hype.


That's pretty much all there is to say. Watching UMvsC3 is just a hype as hell experience.

Is that the one that had Phoenix Wright in it? Cause if so that was my jam ages ago.

Don't really play it anymore but I really enjoyed it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, that's your opinion and you're well okay to think that.

But there's also a time where you have to accept "I don't care for this thing, but a LOT of others do and pull excitement from it."

Ok. Sure. It's fine to like 3, even if I don't like it. But that doesn't mean Infinite is any less of a mainline game and it doesn't mean it isn't insulting to suggest that we still haven't gotten an actual Marvel 4.

 

[Shroob]

Ok. Sure. It's fine to like 3, even if I don't like it. But that doesn't mean Infinite is any less of a mainline game and it doesn't mean it isn't insulting to suggest that we still haven't gotten an actual Marvel 4.

I don't think anyone really cares at this point, do they?